The cage pictured above looks like a modern cage, I've had similar stuff put in over the last 20 years.

While this thread is not about the '67 car you guys do a good job to point out everything that substantiates that IV was a '68.

Boom !!! those 1/4 jamb pics should end Dale & Vicki's Cars Claim once and for all ??

Exactly!

We removed a few posts that contradict the known history of IV, they are under review.

Would that be the circular file review ?? :grin:https://www.yenko.net/forum/cache.ph...p%3Bfmt%3Dwebp

Cross between that and Area 51. :)

Back to IV.... My friend in NC is talking to some of his contacts to nail down who had the supposed car in that storage place by Camp Lejeune in the 90s.

Before getting back on topic I want to point out a couple things:
All evidence points towards Grumpy's Toy IV being a 68 and none of it points towards it being a 67
In these pics posted earlier, you can also see Grumpy's car had the dash vent, most know these are only on 67's with A/C but are on all 68's as they were also part of the astro ventilation system,but since this car has no vent above the heater controls for A/C that means it's dash board came in a 68 non A/C car. Also the roll bars are not even close to being the same, some bars at different angles, intersections,elevations, and even non existent, there is just no way these two cars are the same, only thing confusing is what Grumpy has in his hands, my wife thinks it's a sandwich but I think it's a bird

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Nice pics.

IV had to have had a cage upgrade from the 3 point since it was raced locally until the late 70s.

I don't think this adds anything to the conversation but I don't believe I've seen this picture posted here before.

Great stuff on here. Hope the real car makes itself known soon. Would that 67 still have been an earlier Jenkins car? III?

Levi Holmes is still around too, met him at SEMA show last year where he had his black Camaro.

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No. Toy III was restored and authenticated by Jenkins years ago and it is in a private collection. I will let someone else who is more knowledgeable about cars that Jenkins had in his possession but never raced chime in. I am just happy someone is taking the initiative to track the correct car down. There is alot of good information in this thread that i even missed with the pictures that i posted.

Levi had a few cars I think, also a Nova? Great to hear he's around.

Doug Boyce's book covers all of Jenkin's cars. III went to the Kimball Brothers, then they sold to a guy who later sold it to Dana Mecum.

Can't stress this enough, Doug Boyce's book is great. Easily bought on Amazon but you can find it sold by other vendors.

Doug interviewed Jenkins a number of times and from what I've gleaned the interviews were recorded for accuracy. He also does not mix facts with rumors.

Speaking of rumors, Joe Algieri is quoted at times as saying he delivered IV as a roller to TN, but also GA. I don't know why Joe has said different states over the years he does not come across like a guy who would be that forgetful. The issues with different states coming up over the years is it makes it much more difficult to research in the area. We have Ron K as the guy who said he saw IV in the 90s in NC, I think Richie it's worth asking whether Ron actually looked at the car or just the outside. We have some comments about the car back then that some of the front chassis work looked rough and not as good as the rear... So someone maybe knew what they were looking at?

This research would work better if some of the folks like Joe were amenable to a detailed phone conversation. Take for example the chassis. We could speculate it had a Dana 60 at point of sale but it better to just confirm that. If it was ladder bar, whose ladder bars, SRD? How did Bill Hayes fit into the picture? Ostensibly if Joe ran Bill's logo on the quarter panels Bill had a decent amount of involvement with IV.

Bob Venerio bought the car from Rotunda in 1974 and later sold it to the Algeri brother's. Bob is in Doug Boyce book as being an owner. The car in Pittsburgh is fake. It's ALL been hashed out for years. Also throw in there Brooklyn Heavy said the Pittsburgh car was a fake. Let me know when you find something new.

His 67 car
 

I’m enjoying reading this post and learning about Jenkins race cars. Quick question please, is the 67 pictured below the car that Dana Mecum presently owns?

here is another photo of the ex Brooklyn Heavy white car.
It has always been a question if the white car or the orange car was Toy IV

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Looks like the same gold side striping + wheelwell edge paint in Postings 134 & 136 pics above?:hmmm:
Here’s a few more Toy 1V shots, watermarked but different than those posted earlier.
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~ Pete

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Bottom of the barrel, last few pics that haven’t been posted in this thread yet?
Anyone have a better shot of this first one w/ what appears to be 2x ‘68 cars in the same picture?
Sorry it’s so fuzzy but looks like early ‘68 before Schiefer Clutch sponsorship/decals on the doors?:hmmm:
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the one on the flat bed looks like the 69 Toy VI
Bill ran it in SS/C in early 1969 with a ZL-1 engine single 4bb cowl hood

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Looks like you’re right Joe, I was thinking any ‘69 car would have Schiefer Clutch decals but digging deeper,
just found this Maple Grove shot w/ P/G decals + Schiefer on side glass also D80 same as the ramp truck pic.:biggthumpup:
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~ Pete

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Toy IV

Is there any news?

I need to talk to my buddy down in NC, was waiting until after the holidays.

I believe 1055 may have been Heavy's own driver number.

Just something that fits this thread. How's the search going John?


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So far the only leads on the car have been in North Carolina. To put that in context, there have been zero leads on the car in the other states mentioned over the years. Joe Algieri has most of the time said he delivered the car to Kentucky, but once or twice he changed the state. Doug's book says Georgia.

The only palpable lead is a guy saying he saw the car in a warehouse/shop near Camp Lejeune in the 90s, it was black with white stripes, and you could feel the old paint under the black paint that indicated the car has graphics or some sort. The owner or the person speaking about the car said it was IV and that Grumpy has seen the car and said it was IV when he saw it at a show or a race.

Richie talked to one of the guys whose name came up and that guy said he did not have it. There is another name and we are trying to get a hold of that guy. Another friend is running down another guy who was at the track all the time around that time.

I'll post once one of us gets a hold of the second guy.

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Interesting...in all these pics, the car has a front bumper and '68 fenders/marker lights . The previous pic has no bumper and '67/no marker light fenders. Second season with markers removed/holes filled and fenders "lightened" over winter, or actual '67 fenders ?? Could be why Joe claimed they were in bad condition when he got the car and he sold the front clip ?
Really like to see a good pic of the nose stripe on the bumperless car.

The car was repainted from yellow to white, the nose stripe in pics is '68 style and lacks a break for the engine displacement.

Be interesting to see if it was repainted or touched up from a marker hole filling or complete fender replacement, or completely different from the upper valance being replaced/painted too. The pic bumper less pic is too fuzzy to see if the small side stripes are on there.

I wish we could go back and ask Grumpy more questions.... RIP. Did he paint up IV so it would look like III, or he didn't like the '68 stripes or it was just a time thing...

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Awesome pics, keep 'em coming!
A few more below I don't believe have been posted yet…last one a later Toy.
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~ Pete

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Ain't that the truth. You'd love to be a fly on the wall when he'd start telling stories:scholar:

More pics....of the 67. Feel free to remove if not appropriate



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https://www.yenko.net/attachments/426834-grump3.JPG

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/426834-grump4.JPG

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One pic that I do think is cool...is my daughter Holly with Bill-a bunch of years ago at Barrett-Jackson. He wasn't grumpy that day :)




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Great thread guys !! Thanks SYC

I remember being offered to purchase what was supposed to be Toy VIII way before its whereabouts were well known. It was far from even looking like a 70 Camaro, but there were a few tell tale signs that were rather convincing. Unfortunately with no docs at the time, I did not bite. Seems like it turned out to be the real car after all. I know I took pics back then and I may have some old pics somewhere. I’ll post if I find them.

I'd love to see pics of VIII before it was restored. I think most of us have heard about a guy who bought it but I'm not sure who restored it. And we've heard that the restored car is the original roof, quarters, not sure how much else of the car. And the chassis is owned by someone who's talked about restoring it either to Richie Zul or the Dennis Ferrara eras.

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Holy cow.