VW Says The Combustion Engine Is Far From Dead

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...cid=spartandhp

GM has a bit of history overstating objectives based on the enthusiasm of the day. I remember training at one of the GM tech schools here in OKC in 1979-80. We were told that by 1985 GM would be front wheel drive across the board; including pick up trucks. They obviously back peddled from that.

ICE will be with us for quite a while in one form or another.

WOW.....kool thread to read. Lots of opinions and ideas about EV vs. ICE. I will never be a fan of any electric motor powered anything unless it's my HO train collection. Call me old school, that's fine. I did take notice that some folks on this board seem to be afraid of visiting gas stations. Someone mentioned(insert sarcasm here) something about watching a drag race in silence. I get it, just don't like the notion of it. Part of the driving thrill is the sounds and smell, even if it is only a ride to the gas pumps. I know I will flame out someday, but it won't be in an EV.

Rich

Gas will be around for a long time but the performance from electric is the main attraction for me. I love torque and electric comes out on top for low end seat of the pants torque.


Anyone into RC cars has probably had the gas powered ones and the electric ones. Electric has taken over. Curious what the market balance is between gas and electric RC cars.
I'm not afraid of visiting gas stations but given a choice I would just as soon skip them.

Can't beat the sound of an Opel Kadett ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkbIKBfjGJE

The Opel is angry no doubt about it.

For fun lets match the current EV record holder at Nurburgring - the Porsche Tycan Prototype against a 6 year old ICE car with a 14 year old technology based ICE engine.

I chose the old 2014 Z/28 (bad heads and all) for this match up because it is normally aspirated and has lap times that are closest to the current EV world record holder.

The times:

Porsche Tycan Prototype 7:42

Production Camaro Z/28 7:37







If you would rather drive the Porsche please explain why I have a genuine interest, and I am sure GM does as well

After hot lapping in a Z/28 in Detroit I promptly nicknamed it the "chainsaw with a transmission"

The old LS7 is flat angry at RPM.:flag:

this is an interesting article,
I think the only way to save the ICE long term is to go with a synthetic fuel and they can use Green energy to make the fuel


synthetic fuels can make combustion engines CO2-neutral


https://www.energydigital.com/sustai...es-co2-neutral

Joe,

How can we make the production of EV's carbon neutral because currently producing an electric vehicle contributes, on average, twice as much to global warming potential and uses double the amount of energy than producing a combustion engine car.

So what do we need to do differently to EV's?

I agree every time I get mine out!!!
PS No “Head” issues

And to stay with the question: would you guys rather drive the Porsche?

Please explain why I have a genuine interest, and I am sure GM does as well

You get yours fixed Yet?

Details Here: https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-...-is-defective/

I am a mechanical engineer so I don't know a lot about EVs and I like ICEs better then EVs but I think EVs will continue to develop and improve as people want to buy them.

The ICE will be around for a long time but it seems a lot more resources are going into the EV.

Coal, gas and oil have fueled the industrial revolution for 100 years but can't do it for the next 100 years.

The Coronavirus crisis is going to turn a lot more people against fossil fuels as they see reduced levels of air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the lower fossil fuel consumption.

https://atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ne...e-environment/

Gotcha! Thanks for being honest.

Hmmm, I'm going to need a new DD one of these days....

Well we had the E-COPO Prototype about 14 months ago:




And Ford has finally replied with its electric prototype:

Cobra JEt story here:

https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...-jet-1400.html

Just need plates and street meats - unless the batteries are too rad for the road, or motor(s) run hot/load-up in bumper-to-bumper?

Following the lead of Harley Davidson back in in 2019 General Motors launched an electric bike division called ARiV, initially offering two different urban e-bike models: the folding "Merge" and the non-folding single speed "Meld".

Both bikes had a GM-designed 250 watt motor and 240 watt hour battery. Charge time
was around 3.5 hours.

Again, following the lead of Harley Davidson - GM canceled its own e-bike division shuttering the entire program.

https://electrek.co/2020/05/16/gm-ki...ctric-bicycle/

RUMORS RUMORS RUMORS

Last week GM reached a major Platform Sharing deal with Honda.


Some history is in order. Chevy LUV was built by ISUZU... 5th gen Nova 85-88 (Corolla) Geo Prism and Pontiac Vibe all built by Toyota at NUMMI.

So if Mary Barra is good for her word- which is to have GM switch to all EV underpinnings by 2024 - then one way to get there is to continue to sell ICE vehicles through platform sharing agreements.

The agreement signed last week gives Honda access to GM Ultium battery technology but in the end HONDA may get stuck making the ICE platforms that GM no longer wants to make.

ENJOY:naughty:

I like the mid-engine Camaro RUMOR a whole lot more ... :dunno:

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2020/04...amazing-video/

Attachment 173469

All of the talk of the Camaro being built at BG fizzled out when the C-8 emerged as a mid engine.

The Camaro was next proposed to continue as an SUV but the Blazer name was recycled for it.

As of now there is no Camaro past 2023 and no Camaro listed as a product for LGRA after 2023 either.

We will see. According to Mary Barra "the company will need computer coders in greater number than internal combustion engine engineers".

Everything points to GM handing low sales legacy ICE products to another manufacturer to build for sale. Is Honda that Manufacturer? Could be.

Nikola shares pop as much as 53% after General Motors takes 11% stake in electric truck maker

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/08/gene...r-nikola-.html

The WSJ did a piece on GM recently (link Below) that really captures all of the changes that are afoot at GM in the moves to go "all electric".

Meaning that GM is willing to completely withdraw from any market that does not have an opportunity to create a near term business case for electric vehicle sales there, and is using the revenue from operational sales of the business asset to fund to the current reinvention of GM as an electric car company-which kind of makes sense because GM stock is in the tank and has stayed there for some time.

I recall the Bail out critics in 2010 saying that after the government bailed out GM it would likely be forced to become a company that we would not recognize - the fear being that GM would be forced to become a different company that would try to leverage a product on the buyer that was radically different and therefore "not good".

Well the radically different part is real and the jury is still out on the "not good" part.

So the docket of Motors Liquidation Corporation pretty much cleared in 2013 and Mary Barra took over in 2014, so what do we have to date?

Since 2015 GM has largely exited India, Russia, is trying to sell its European operations, laid off 8000 salaried employees closed plants in North America, and did the unthinkable to the Australian's- killed the 89 year old "Chevy of Australia" - Holden.

GM was making cars or parts in 25 countries. Now only 9.

So there you have it. GM is essentially burning through its legacy global holdings in order to finance the electric transformation that is underway.

Word was that the Fate of the Camaro was decided in June at the meeting Barra held in the GM Design Dome and this meeting is confirmed in the article.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-inc...er-11600438421

Just my opinion here, but to me, they're (GM) jumping off the EV cliff without a parachute when they say they're going all electric in the early 2020's. The electric infrastructure just isn't where it needs to be and it's going to take years to get it where it can sustain a giant influx of electric vehicles.
I always thought now would be the time for McDonald's to install a few electric charging stations at each of their restaurants that are located at interstate exchanges so when the EV's do start coming out, people can stop and eat there while they charge. They could even start charging people for the electricity, and at the same time move their menu up so they offer some better food options along with the some of the old stuff for people on budgets. I think they would make a metric crap ton of money on that.

Another brick in the...new...wall:
https://jalopnik.com/the-2021-gmc-hu...-it-1845431798

GM has the bases covered in the event public sector monies cannot be tapped near term.

Barra is already on the record stating that there is an estimated 20 year transition away from ICE which dates to the time GM was in negations with Honda on platform sharing.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2020/06...tors-ceo-says/

Not Good.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g...-idUSKBN27T2LG

GAH!

Tell me about it!

Mrs. Anthony went out and unplugged ours and went into the system and activated the feature to limit the battery to 90% charging capability.

(I raved about ours earlier on page two of this thread). gah.

Yea I hear you. GM needed to move on this quickly or the bolt could be the next Cobalt style scandal - except bigger.

A car that you cannot be sure you can safely park in your garage at home is shall we say a "game changer"

Imagine being told you are not permitted by businesses to park next to a structure or in a parking garage, or you pull into a hotel and they make you move it out into a field someplace?

"...Putting out different kinds of fires requires different strategies, and a burning gas tank is not the same as burning lithium-ion battery cell pouches. The USFA says EV fires "can exceed 5000 degrees Fahrenheit" and "applying water or foam may cause a violent flareup as the water molecules separate into explosive hydrogen and oxygen gases."


https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...s-ntsb-report/


:eek2:

Tesla's Cybertruck isn't the only EV Pickup

Electric Pick ups

https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-...down-the-pike/

YOU JUST KNOW THE LITIGATION IS COMING ON THIS ONE:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyl...buy-dealers-ev

But in the end it will just simply get harder to buy a Caddy.

GM renegotiates Nikola deal, erases equity stake and EV pickup production plans

https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/g...duction-plans/

Mary Barra, IMHO, is a disaster. I haven't looked at their financials, but from a strategic perspective, she seems like she's making things worse instead of better.

The transformed GM needed a transformed logo. Looks pretty strange indeed...


https://www.autoblog.com/2021/01/08/...logo-revealed/

gm has launched "Exhibit Zero"

ENJOY:

https://www.gmexhibitzero.com/?cmp=O...7959_144526355

I'll take the Cadillac VTOL


https://www.gmexhibitzero.com/exhibits.html