Wow, race car and tow rig are killer.

Here are som earlier pictures but I dont have any on the back of the spoiler
Here it have Heavys Camaro on the front Fender And Brooklyn Wild pumpkin on the doors

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Do you not have photos of the quarter, fenders etc before primer that show the lettering you are seeing? And FYI that hole is not the location for the cowl induction harness. It’s above the fuse block. Here’s Doug Perrys Yenko vin 579xxx for reference..

Anybody know anything about this one?

The orange BM demo car was NEVER blue, that fact has already been confirmed by Marty. I have no info on the Brahms car or any other Brooklyn Heavy Camaro .

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Heavy

Generally if you saw 3 consecutive numbers on the firewall ....usually it was to designate a job number (build)

I think Bentley's X11 small block (originally) Ratty Rat Day 2 car had "427" on the firewall - as Doug noted, likely the job number.

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Joel would never say he didn’t use the copo program, from what Iv always read in multiple articles was he didn’t RECALL using any copos ,,,recall and didn’t two different statements , so there is possibility !

Joel told me personally one night when we were in his shop with Judy that he was not aware there was a COPO program for 1969 Camaros. That's why all of his 1969 427 Camaros are Super Sports. He ordered them with the L78 then changed the short block for an L72.

Motion was in Baldwin, I lived in Lynbrook, just a couple of towns away. He worked on my 1967 Corvette and my 1969 Camaro SS.

He said the same thing when he attended SCR many years ago. The L-78 short block take outs were sold post transplant through the Baldwin parts dept.

I have a tape recording somewhere the night Joel talked to us about this @ the Supercar Reunion in Collinsville back in Aug. 2003.He was very well received by all,and stated he did not know about the COPO program back then,there was a hush in the crowd afterwards. https://www.yenko.net/reunion/2003reunion.htm

Wow, it looks like the 2003 reunion was awesome! I wish we could get that kind of turn out now. I believe age has caught up to most of the owners and they don't want to travel with their cars anymore.

So apparently Jack Douglass knew about the program but didn't tell Joel.

----Jacks Dad was a high up executive at GM. When he retired he moved to Hinsdale and opened Jack Douglass Chevrolet. Upon his fathers passing Jsck stepped in. He was the youngest owner of any GM dealer at that time. Eventually When Billy Jacobs Dad passed he also took over the Chevy dealership in Joliet Il., and he was younger than Jack was at that point so Jack lost that dubious accolade. It makes sense that Jack would hear about the COPO program as his family was so connected to GM.....Bill S

How about the several ordered copos from Baldwin Chevy
No one from Baldwin Chevy talked Joel either??

Jack knew about the COPO fleet program but found out about the L72 Performance COPO by happenstance, when he found a dealer shipper/invoice in one of the Canonsburg Yenko Camaros.

For what it’s worth, I spoke to Joel about Motion COPOs many years ago and he did not recall using the program for any of his “builds”. I let him know that there was a photo in a magazine of a Dark colored 1969 Camaro, in his shop that seemed to look like a COPO L72, don’t recall the magazine. He conceded that he may have tuned it or worked on it or others.

Hi Performance CARS, November 1969.

Hone-O-Drive installation article with the Motion COPO. Article says owner Marc Cohen drove the 4.56 geared car back to his home in Ohio from New York, and referred to it as a Phase III car. Doesn't really say if it was a Baldwin purchased car or if he brought it in to be Phase III tuned.

I call hog wash Marty and Joel never new about the copo program 🤷*♂️ ! Two guys that we’re deeply involved in the muscle car world as Joel was direct contact with Baldwin Chevrolet,and it never got mentioned ya right lol plse

Seeing that there are known 69 COPOs sold through Baldwin Chevrolet, it is tough to believe that no one at Motion knew about this program.


I suspect Joel made more on a 427 conversion as opposed to if he just tuned/motionized and flipped COPO cars. May not have been advantageous back then to Motion Performance for publicize the COPO program, even if they found out about it.

joel had a personal relationship with zora duntov.

----So Joels own words are not good enough? Also,,,I worked for Jack D and I'm sure he probably never heard of Motion or Joel. Jack was somewhat of a gear head but he cared a lot more about making money. He once told me that when a friend came to him to by a car he didn't give them a deal, he charged them over the sticker price. He said that they could afford it!....Bill S

maybe theres a middle ground on that statement from Joel... he was probably vague in his response.

The reality of it was Joel and the gang didnt know about the COPO 427 program early enough to get into it for their cars.. And by the time they did , it probably didnt matter anyway because they were using the L-88 (not L-72) for most of their customers anyway. In the long run it may have also been cheaper for them to use an over the counter L-88 instead of starting with a COPO built car anyway.

at least thats what my thoughts were on Joels statement. To believe he hadnt heard about the program AT ALL is nonsensical especially if marty put one in his magazine.

Unfortunately, in my short experiences speaking and dealing with Joel… for me NO.

Correct.

Joel and I discussed this a few times and from my recollection, back then he was unaware of the COPO program. I see no reason for him to lie about it. In fact, most people hate to ever admit ignorance on any subject.

I have my thoughts as to why this might be the case but they are just a guess and I’m trying to stick to facts for this post.

I can say there were a number of likely COPOs that Motion worked on, based on the docs. That was very interesting.

-Kasey