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I looked through archival pics of both the 67 & 68 cars from various times of each year and post years. ...
The 777 appeared as pictured above ONLY on the 67 model (on the Quarter Panels) 68 car had the # on the door, door glass & C pillar (Quarter sail) So....what's going on . ..? A converted 67...... The "Origunal" 67,,,,,, supposedly...that is with 2nd Owners A 68 that someone cloned or fudged years before the current owners got it ??? After all,,,, they've only had this car for 12 years. Illusion of past ownership in a sellers story is becoming clearer, if its a fudged car, years ago. |
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Grump's 67 lived here in the KC area for decades, and was recently sold by the same folks who bought it from the Man himself back in the day. It and the 68 in question are absolutely <span style="font-style: italic">not </span> the same car.
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L78racer - Do you know the date of that photo?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L78racer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">former Grumpy car?
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...8437-extoy.jpg </div></div> Pretty sure that was a different car. That's a 68, I believe, and there was a story going around about it being a Harrell car originally before it was purchased sans engine and trans and converted to full time track duty. Dunno if that's bs or not, but I'm pretty sure the Kimball's were involved in two different Camaros, the Grumpy car and that one. |
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That's NOT a Grumpy Car,,, its a "Customer" ...of JENKINS COMPETITION. . ...A Modified Production Car that competed in through mid 1970's.
Notice the "Wrinkle Wall GY's. Not out yet for consumption in '67. Lots of Early SS & Pro Stocks from '67 & '68 went into M/P As most WERE NOT Competitive in 69-70 SS or Pro Stock......M/P Wars were Wicked with 12,000 RPM 287, 292 & 301 SBC's. on Roller cams of 600 lifts. .very exotic buzz bombs. And Tons of BB's running 470-488 inches... |
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Grump's 67 was restored by the Kimball Bros. in the 67 race trim and was featured at Carlisle a few years back.
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i do not know the date on the photo. i was just going by the 'record holder' lettering on the front fender and the stickers. no Camaro script on either car.
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Diggin' the pics! Above w/ Joe Tryson and the '67 car in 1968, is the Grump car in the background maybe the '68 car also if so, the '67 & '68 cars in the same pic? Is it know if da Grump's '68 was originally an RS or not also what of the Dogfight car's TT? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete |
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Great pics. Interesting intake..
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L78racer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">former Grumpy car?
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...8437-extoy.jpg </div></div> it is indeed jenkin's '67 camaro, note the door vent windows, kimball bros added marker lamps (actually has '69 amber frt lamps) that were later removed when restored. '67 with RS nose.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...aaaearly67.jpg |
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^^^ Pretty sure these are not the same car. Kimball's had two, the Grumpy 67 and the (supposed) Harrell 68. A guy named Hill was partner on the 68, and that looks like his name on the quarter panel. I'd bet that the car pictured is the 68, not the 67.
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This is getting very confusing
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Man, those two look close...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L78racer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ex '68 Toy? Butternut inside trunk/
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-ex_68_toy.jpg </div></div> yup, the '68 camaro, was yellow when jenkins received it. this picture was taken early '72 |
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Can anyone get a hold of Vicki (current owner of the possible grumpy 68) and have her or them get on here and post more pictures?
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Looks like Vicki's on da Grump F'book page... https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bill-...16316768418273 More great pics there including the cool Chuck Carman drawing below...just like the cars we used to draw on our books back in 'high' school. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...8493-image.jpg https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...8494-image.jpg |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300deluxeL79</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L78racer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ex '68 Toy? Butternut inside trunk/
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-ex_68_toy.jpg </div></div> yup, the '68 camaro, was yellow when jenkins received it. this picture was taken early '72</div></div> Where was the pic taken, by whom .....is this a known public photo ? Those 2 pics share known , visible decals in the exact places.....I was actually surprised to see its the same '68 car.....Cool !!!!! |
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picture was taken at jenkins shop, when the new owners were picking up the '69 camaro, couple more from that same group of pictures...
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...nshopfront.jpg https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...yiixonrack.jpg |
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Any more updates? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...8748-image.jpg |
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I have tried to contact Vicki on FB, Drag Racer Reunion but no respond
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Just checkin' back for updates again. A couple good Jenkins links below... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete 1968 Interview & Action - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai3cnc-77ZE Pics of Grumpy Toys - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uGQQC_lnBB4 |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carleen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have tried to contact Vicki on FB, Drag Racer Reunion but no respond </div></div>
for a few years now, she/they have been telling anyone who will listen, that they have jenkins '68 camaro [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/thumbsdown.gif[/img] |
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10-12 years ago there was a Vicki and Dale from the same area and they said they had the first Z-28. They said it was a Penske/Grumpy Camaro. Somehow a collaboration of the two. It was red and that was Roger's favorite color so that legitimized it in their opinion. Left front brake drum (Yes, brake drum) had yellow "LF" painted on it like you would see from a junkyard. They said the LF stood for GM Engineer Lou Faux. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img]
I think that pretty should much give you an idea of the "legitimacy" of this '68. |
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In the '68 Nationals video, notice the in-car is Bill driving a '68 Camaro. (No vent window and '68 Camaro interior door trim panel)
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A few pages back I mentioned it looked like the '68 car in the background of the '67 @ the '68 'Nats pic and if so, the '67 and '68 cars seen in the same shot? Here's the pic again below also one of the '68 car, note the Fram decals in the 1/4 window as the '68 and '69 cars had. Seems like lots of the '68 and '69 cars in one shot but what else can anyone come up w/ of the '67 and '68 pictured together? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...8-grumpram.jpg https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...9109-image.jpg |
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The picture is of the original 67 SS/C, Toy III. It morphed into the A/MP (late 68),as seen in the picture. It was taken at the 68 World Finals. This was its last race before being sold to the Kimballs. The 68 SS/C Camaro is the car you see behind it. The driving footage is the 68 SS/C at the World Finals. The footage of the car pulling to the line is Toy III at the Nats. The frame shot is Toy IV as a B/G at the 69 Nats. It went on to become a match race car and then a Pro Stock car in early 70. Both powered by the 430 ci. Can Am motor. Bill tracked the car down in Jersey in the early 2ks. But it was pretty beat up by then. The 68 Camaro was a Butternut Yellow, L89 when new. Then painted white. It appears to me that the 67 and 68 were both Buternut Yellow when new.(post 618795). I'm seeing the 68 in the Grumpy's Toy's book, at the Worlds as a fresh SS/C being Butternut Yellow(page 79). Bills wearing a white shirt and the white 68 Nova fender is in the shoot.If someone with the book could confirm, I'd feel better. L78racers picture(post 618907) is Toy IV as a washed up P/Stock probably with running gear removed waiting for a new owner.(Bills name also removed) It was taken a Bills shop.
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Compare that picture with the picture of Bills shop in 300deluxe79s post(618956) Same shop wall! (Notice also the NED sticker on the wall and Toy IVs rear quarter) So sometime after 72? the car went to Jersey or Brooklyn? Jenkins wanted it back and found it there early 2000s. Looks like there were absolutely one 67, and one 68 Camaro. I assume the true whereabouts of the 67 are known. If so, the story about finding the 777 car is not true. And the question remains, where is the 68 Toy IV?
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those shop pictures were late '71/early '72. pictures were taken by the new owners of the '69 camaro. jenkins had used the '69 car to test the vega sm/blk combinations in the fall of '71. here is a shot of him testing at cecil county...
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I'd like to see these guys go to Roger Penske and tell him this story. He would laugh in their face. Grumpy hung up on them because their story was completely untrue.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone else see this?
http://www.chevyhardcore.com/features/ca...-jenkins-toy-iv </div></div> doug emailed this to me earlier today [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/bs.gif[/img] |
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Too funny, I was just communicating with the wife, Vicki, on Facebook last week.
Their shop is only about 15 minutes from where I grew up and she invited me to stop by and check it out. |
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Same Dale and Vicki as in Dale's Autobody Baldwin PA building a '68 Jenkins recreation in this old Camaros.net thread? http://www.camaros.net/forums/archiv.../t-139965.html [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img] ~ Pete |
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Jerry MacNeishs' '69 book features an 8 page tribute to Dave Strickler. Jerry visited "Da Grump" to present him with a copy. Jenkins graciously signed several copies which Jerry provided to those that helped with the book. He then opened a drawer and handed Jerry a folder containing factory paperwork for many of his race cars. I recall paperwork for the '68 Nova and '69 Pro Camaro. The w/s for the '69 was in the folder. There is good probability paperwork for the '68 Camaro was also in the folder. Perhaps the Jenkins family still has this paperwork.
If you really want to put this to rest, contact the Jenkins family and explain what is going on. |
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The one thing about Dale & Vicki's car there is no mention of any signs of orange paint. Brooklyn Heavy painted this car orange when he bought it from Jenkins. All that is talked about is Butternut Yellow & white paint. You would think there would be some orange somewhere. Also the picture of the 69 car in the shop is from 1970 sometime. Pennzoil sticker on fender/Cragar sticker on 1/4 panel was 1969/1970. Jenkins switched Pennzoil sticker to 1/4 panel/Cragar sticker to fender for 1971 season.
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