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Wow. Talk about blowing a topic out of proportion. All Sammy said is that Sam's deuce is a genuine day 2 car from back in the day. Don't think anyone can argue that. All should agree there is a difference between what was done back then vs done today.

Going off on these tangents is what sucks the life even further out of the hobby. To each his own boys. Let it go while its still kinda fun.

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Thanks Darren. that really sums it up!

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So Sam's Deuce is more Day 2 because the parts were put on a few years before someone else's day 2 car? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So Sam's Deuce is more Day 2 because the parts were put on a few years before someone else's day 2 car? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img]</div></div>

Really? You really wanna keep this going? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img]

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Matt, I consider you a smart car guy and a knowledgable parts person. You know what I was driving at.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wheelhop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So in 2013, the politically correct term for a 69 chevelle restored and in day-2 trim should now be called &quot;Day-16,061&quot;

(44 yrs. times 365 days + 1 = 16,061) </div></div>

Did you take into account leap years in your math ?

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No, someone smarter than I will have to figure that one out!

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Lol. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

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For the record, I was just pushing buttons. Hopefully no one took any offence. No matter who or how its labeled, &quot;Day 2&quot; kicks ass!

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Romans were just people living at a particular time in history and did not know or care that they would be remembered.
But Edward Gibbon spent years researching and writing &quot;The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire&quot;.
If not for Gibbons work, we may not have ever known about this important time in human history.
So which is more important, the Romans for just living their lives, or Gibbon for doing the work to pass on that history to future generations?
I personally don't look at either one of them being more important than the other. They were just people, at different times in history, doing what they do.
Get it?

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This post is getting too political for me.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wheelhop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This post is getting too political for me. </div></div>

[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif[/img]

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Fred's buyin PBR, passin out the mouse chewed zig zag papers, (nothin else) but NOBODIES usin his back seat. Except maybe Fred.

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So pbr and weed and fast cars I am in(no matter when they were built) . In that case the party is at my house then . We'll fire up the mini bikes and the Gasser. We can grill some steaks and lie about women ,just have fun and Howl at the moon . Watch bad car movies .
Oh that's right we call already that super Chevy weekend at maple grove.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: C1SS396</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So pbr and weed and fast cars I am in(no matter when they were built) . In that case the party is at my house then . We'll fire up the mini bikes and the Gasser. We can grill some steaks and lie about women ,just have fun and Howl at the moon . Watch bad car movies .
Oh that's right we call already that super Chevy weekend at maple grove. </div></div>

I've been scouring the internets for really bad D movies (yes they are so bad they aren't B movies) in preparation for Super Chevy!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MosportGreen66</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The vast majority of the cars modified as &quot;day-2&quot; did not happen on the very second day of ownership. The transformation happened over time and evolved with changing tastes.

I guess all of these cars are day-2 clones now... LOL

</div></div>

Exactly.... My Mustang was built in 1974.

BTW Where does my car fit in? I'm replacing 3/4 of the original speed equipment with NOS pieces because the original were damaged.i.e.e the Offie tunnel ram on it was rotted out inside(All ford sb's do this because water lays in the passage), Sun Tach and gauges had major face damage from the sun, one of the M/T valve covers was cracked because the owner tightned it a bit too much at one time, I have found all original NOS Cragars etc that are the same size as the pitted originals...orig cal Custom water neck is corroded to pieces, Hurst Super boot has rips in the rubber on and on.

Let's also talk about quality of workmanship(as Tommy brought up humorsly) I'm redoing the hood scoop hole and making it better. Quality was not exactly the high point on many of these cars back then. The best of the cars on the ISCA show circuit back then would be placed in the basement with the rat rods at shows today.

So does that make my car a survivor or a repo?? What about cars that were original D2, restored in the 80's/90's then put back to D2 status recently with nos speed equipment that matched the original version?

All what matters in my mind is the parts be authentic for the year you want to car to represent. Original survivor Day 2 cars are great but there is so few of them out there.

I'm just glad guys are building Day 2 cars and I don't care about the pedigree TBH

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Too many cool old race cars fall under the knife anymore for restoration cough cough the green copo Camaro cough cough </div></div>

That whole deal is a travesty....another cookie cutter dog dish wearing Copo.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wheelhop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This post is getting too political for me. </div></div>

Same here, I go to this thread to cheer me up (not safe for work, chillun or wives/gf's present lol)

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...61&amp;page=14

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The original thread was started about traction bars on 12/04/11. It took until 02/14/13 to get to 8 pages and that is were I made the comment about the Nova being one of the best Day 2 cars ever.
It's only took 10 days to add 6 more pages and we haven't really talked about traction bars.
We have went from Day 2 being discussed as real or cloned, becoming unaffiliated from all of this, a quote from &quot;Throw Momma from the Train&quot;, one member throwing all of his parts away, a new politically correct term for Day 2, a parallel between which is more important..the people who lived history or the historian for working his tale off to bring it all back, all this being called &quot;to political&quot;..lol, PBR,weed and bad movies, Dave...IMO... getting it right by pointing out the pedigree doesn't matter with this tangent of the car hobby, and finally...a thread with shots of some of the best Day 2 rears I have ever seen.

If we haven't solved anything, I think we have all proven we are guilty of being A.D.D. and not afraid to take a thread down a dirt road in record time.

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Hemicolt....our new Editor and Chief. Sums the whole thread up. it does not take much to get our motors running!

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Can you guys ID these traction bars for me? Guy I bought them from told me they are Lakewoods from the mid-1970s. Thanks!

http://tonyn.smugmug.com/Other/1966-...0%284%29-L.jpg

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Yep Lakewoods-&quot;Traction Action&quot; series with the competition j-bolt set up. Early 70's-you can tell by long tail on the rear and they still have the rear spring clamps on the rear. The length of the bar on the ones in the mid 70's ended right after the axle pad.

Fit 67-69 Camaro, 68-74 ish Nova etc.

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Good bars Tony. Tough to find especially with the hardware.

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Thanks! This guy evidently had them on a 68 Camaro. What do you mean by the 'competition' j-bolt?

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The &quot;J&quot; bolts are the big bolts that go from the axle pad to the heavy &quot;U&quot; bolts underneath. Many leave them off on the street but shouldn't IMO. That is the Lakewood trade mark for me.

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Thanks Sam...I recognized the J-bolts but wasn't sure if the 'competition' J-bolt had any significance.

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Look at the bars out today Tone. I do not believe any have the old style &quot;J&quot; bolt setup. Tough at times to buy the heavy &quot;U&quot; bolts and &quot;J&quot; bolts anymore. For the wider, earlier bars the heavy &quot;U&quot; bolts are almost impossible to find. Have to have them made.

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Gotcha. Glad this one has most of the hardware there.

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has all the hardware except the snubbers. You can buy them easy and then cut them square to eliminate the cone shape they have. There are rattle can paint colors out there to replicate all the colors of the hardware and also the bars.

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I am looking for some help with these traction bars, Hurst adjust a bar. Here are two pictures of them, they are very beefy. when I sandblasted them they seemed to be white first. I have check through my old books and can not find a match for these in any of them. I was hoping some one else my have seen them or had a catalog with them in it. These are for 67-69 camaro.
https://www.yenko.net/attachments/use...rst_bars_2.jpg
https://www.yenko.net/attachments/use...rst_bars_1.jpg

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Cool, one size fits all! Not seen these before.

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Boy, I bet they are heavy. Don't think I remember seeing adjustable bars like that but a good idea for snubber to spring placement.

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...;Number=147249

See if this helps any...

Dave
67 Nova Boy

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They could be modified early square tube Lakewoods...don't discount that possibility out.

I have seen some really well done mods on speed equipment over the years that look factory/higher quality of workmanship than factory. Lot of machinist/perfectionist out there who modified these parts like this all the time...who had a better idea and went with it.

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could be modified lakewoods, i see some yellow paint.
here's a pair of hurst on a '55-'56 frame...

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/o...psf21e4dd4.jpg

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Linda................ [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/drool.gif[/img]

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Inner sleeve looks like a heaver ga. steel. Probabably owner modified Lakewoods.

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http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/w...Grumpybars.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/w...7/PxTx/glc.jpg

Yep, even the guy who invented them would modify them from time to time. I dig the wheelie bar mod!

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I knew you would come up with a picture of them Paul. But what took you so long.