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8 minutes 25 seconds from first yell to hammer. I seriously got sick to my stomach watching that auction. Craig Jackson is a bad guy in my opinion. This whole thing has seriously jumped the shark. What about the other poor saps that were also not getting what they wanted and got their cars hammered in less then 1 minute?

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Speed Commentator (Mike Joy) comments really got me....

"A rebody is kind of like George Washington's AX, it just got another handle-but is it still Geroge Washington's AX??"
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That was the craziest thing I heard til the voices in my head asked me; "If Mike Joy needed a colonostomy, could he still be called an axehole?"

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REALLY sorry about that. Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

Just changed it to "public", here ya go...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiLf56NlDPc

Mike

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LOL! No problem, and thanks... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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A sad display for sure. That whole auction is a joke. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

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Isn't the phrase "Caught on Tape"? I thought once you bid there was no saying "I didn't mean to do that"! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/blush.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif Only Reggie.

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Speed Commentator comments really got me....

"A rebody is kind of like George Washington's AX, it just got another handle-but is it still Geroge Washington's AX??"

"I remember several years ago when a ZL-1 would bring over 1 Million dollars- Welcome to 2009"

My fear is that the Hobby has reached a new low with the value reputation for ZL-1 and Yenko Nova's now injured through the sale of these cars and the remarks by the speed commentators. Not Good.

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Anyone still watching at the final closing comments tonight right at the close of coverage?? I believe It was Mike Joy who said:

"prices for COPO's and Yenkos are not what they were"

So-We have some cars that are questionable, Bidders are smart, the cars bring bring fair value and suddenly the media commentator passes judgement on an entire hobby segment. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

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Anyone still watching at the final closing comments tonight right at the close of coverage?? I believe It was Mike Joy who said:

"prices for COPO's and Yenkos are not what they were"

So-We have some cars that are questionable, Bidders are smart, the cars bring bring fair value and suddenly the media commentator passes judgement on an entire hobby segment. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

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Phil, they're simply attempting to justify this fiasco...

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I sincerely hope the green car buyer didn't pay and reads this first, then watches the video replay for himself... if there was ever a fraudulent auction consumated, this one was it... a totally, premeditated and rigged public auction... and on live TV no less, for unrefutable evidence... that fat man actually came out from the background and instructed Reggie to quit bidding... I am completely speechless.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/mad.gif

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who did reggie leave the stage to talk to towards the end?

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The entire encounter was with the owner.

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I'M GETTING TIRED OF ALL THE HYPE!DIDN'T WATCH AS MUCH AS I USUALLY DO.THE SATURDAY NITE ZL-1 FIASCO MAKE ME WANT TO PUKE!!!WHO PAYS MIKE JOY AND THE BOYS?SPEED OR B-J?BECAUSE THEY SURE SCHILL FOR AND KISS C.J.'S A**!

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Did no one else notice that $300K was bid? They then asked for $310K and then dropped the hammer at $290K.
James

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Another car that made me puke was the Kennedy Lincoln. They stopped the auction three times to hype it, and that was after it stalled at 20,000. Auctioneer had the audacity to say it was a 300,000 dollar car. Its worth what the people are willing to spend. But they kept on it until it got to 60,000.

Its like me standing out front of my house shouting its still worth 150,000 when the market says its worthless.

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Did no one else notice that $300K was bid? They then asked for $310K and then dropped the hammer at $290K.
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did the reggie holub duo bid 300?

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If I remember right Craig Jackson owns a ZL1 maybe he plans on selling it soon and wanted to get the most out of this one.

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I BET CRAIG WOULD NOT SELL HIS FOR $300 ?

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Speed Commentator (Mike Joy) comments really got me....

"A rebody is kind of like George Washington's AX, it just got another handle-but is it still Geroge Washington's AX??"
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Lets examine Mike Joys logic. Lets say you have George's original ax. Ax head and handle intact. You buy an ax at Home Depot. You remove George's ax head and put it with a Home Depot handle. You place the Home Depot ax head on George's handle. Now you have 2 original George Washington ax's. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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I don't think it got hammered too quickly, and maybe the auction was running out of steam at that point, but the the triple red '61 LeSabre convertible that sold on Sunday for $31,000 looked like an excellent buy. Looks like somebody got one helluva nice car for $31,000! Did anyone see the car in person? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Anyone still watching at the final closing comments tonight right at the close of coverage?? I believe It was Mike Joy who said:

"prices for COPO's and Yenkos are not what they were"

So-We have some cars that are questionable, Bidders are smart, the cars bring bring fair value and suddenly the media commentator passes judgement on an entire hobby segment. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

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Phil, they're simply attempting to justify this fiasco...

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Another big problem is that the commentators have a lot ( 4 to 10 hours) of time to fill-up with chatter. With that much time they are bound to say something stupid.

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If you watch Reggie bid 285k the asst. said 285 then spanky said can i get 10k bids only but then quickly took the 285, then instantly went 290, reggie went 300, then retracted then sold 290k to bidder #1265

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Dang...that was quick, the youtube video is gone!

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A few obsevations:
I did not see Reggie wearing a bidder paddle.
The Kennedy Lincoln "Sold" at Las Vegas.
Ron Pratte clearly looked uncomefortable at the end of the ZL1 auction.
The Assiter family is a contract Auctioneering company, to have the CEO(Craig) interupt and say "Dont do it". Userps the authority given the lead Auctioneer to do the job he was hired to do.
What we see happening here insults the true car collector and affecianados, unfortunately 90% of the buyers and sellers at BJ are dealers. And they have to make a profit.
What makes a car more valuable because Reggie Jackson once owned it? he is a dealer. How many cars has he actually owned or possessed over the years?
Paul

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Open question: How do you sell a car like the silver deuce for example,in a highly public forum, that is openly called a rebody. Where pictures exist, that show hidden vins have been welded/changed in the car, and not draw the attention of any state, or federal DOT enforcement people?
If changing vins to the extent that has happened here is a federal offense, where are the feds? And if you register, or title this car in your state, have you also not committed fraud?

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Let me ask the question again, and perhaps our "legal staff", njsteve, or Les Quam could address it. How do you reconsile an admitted vin changed, hidden vin welded in, vehicle with both federal, and state DOT regulations?
If you know it's a rebody, and the vins have been illegally changed, are you not part of perpetuating the crime by selling it? And again, how would you legally title, or register this vehicle if you're the buyer. You're asking to register a vin nbr illegally (I think) attached to a car that should have a different vin. It seems this is an oxymoron.
At the prices we're talking about here, and the outrage that it always seems to generate, you'd think someone in the law enforcement community would perk up.
Or am I missing something, and is there a legal procedure that allows what transpired, to not be illegal?
We can all express moral outrage until hell freezes over, but until someone is charged, and a legal precident is established in this arena, it will not end.

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Wanna bet you wont see that ZL1 in future reruns of the 2009 Auction.
The Craigerator has already made a call to the honchos of the editing dept of Speed.
Paul

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Ever notice that EVERY year for a week after the B-J auction ends there are countless threads noting many examples of deception, fraud, and outright lies? Yet people still have the guts to say that B-J "sets the tone" for prices for the upcoming year...In my opinion B-J is nothing more than a big joke, a car show at best, and less "real" than pro-wrestling....has been for years. I'd also bet most of the "well bought" cars weren't actually bought at all.

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Green ZL1 sold for 290k? Took lots of block time to get it there.. I saw Reggie bidding on it, but it looks like someone else won..Anyone know the winner?

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he wasn't bidding on it....it was his car Made me sick to watch Craig Jackson practically down on his hands and knees begging people to bid! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

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It was Gary Holub's car, previously owned by Reggie Jackson. I remember seeing it at one of the Mecum auctions in 2008, it was a no sale at I believe around $320-330,000. It would have been really embarrassing to Barrett-Jackson if it sold for the $120K or so that it first stalled at.

However, it looked like Reggie was standing next to Gary while he was bidding; it looked obvious to me anyway that Reggie was bidding off Gary's signals.

Looked like total BS - the original bidder should have been able to buy that car at the $120K it might be worth, not $290K that they shill bid it up to.

JMHO, but the auction of that car was BS. And how many times did YOU see cars hammered sold while folks were still bidding on them, or before the second bidder had backed out? At least when you watch Mecum you feel they are trying to get the top dollar for your car; at B-J if you are not somebody, you are in line to get screwed.

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So the story goes like this... George Washington had an axe and he broke the handle...so he pulled out the little metal wedge from the top of the handle and removed the remaining piece of the handle...in the mean time he sent the axe head out to be sharpened but the guy sharpening the axe head ruined it by grinding it too much...so good old George, not thinking nothing about the future of his axe, went and found a used axe head that was already sharpened and bought a new handle and went and used that old " original wedge" to put it all back together again....so is it still the original axe???? I live in a historic town in Penna. very near where George once roamed...if I find this exact axe...what is it worth??

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Well at least in this case you still have an axe that George Washington owned. What if George tied a little tag on his axe with his name on it and you bought it? And then later on the handle rotted and the head rusted and pitted real bad, so you bought a new axe and moved that name tag over - now THAT would be a rebody! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Ever notice that EVERY year for a week after the B-J auction ends there are countless threads noting many examples of deception, fraud, and outright lies? Yet people still have the guts to say that B-J "sets the tone" for prices for the upcoming year...In my opinion B-J is nothing more than a big joke, a car show at best, and less "real" than pro-wrestling....has been for years. I'd also bet most of the "well bought" cars weren't actually bought at all.

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Ditto on that!! I hardly watched any of the auction this year.. A little bit on Saturday nite. After about an hours worth I was nauseated and had to turn it off. One guy that really bugs me there is Craig Jackson's little crony that has the slicked back hair and always wears the dark sunglasses. Did anyone ever tell that guy that he can take his "JOE COOL" shades https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif off inside the tent!! What an arrogant idiot.. He can loose the hair style too, that went out years ago!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/stupid.gif

Rich

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I liked hearing Craig say how much of a deal the ZL1 was. I kept yelling at the TV, "If its such a deal then buy it Craig!". Its TV, supposed to be entertaining right? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Reggie's reputation is taking a big hit. He makes a lot of money for just having owned certain cars but now he's playing fast and loose with his reputation.

Example: There is an article in the Feb.'08 Chevy Rumble called 'History in the Making'. The writer recounts Walden and Harrell's early problems with the ZL1 aluminum blocks. The story the writer tells is far from the one I heard straight from one of he horse's mouth. Do the facts matter anymore?

After watching Reggie yesterday I thought back to what this writer claims happened to Lamar Walden's first aluminum block. According to him the regional service mgr. came by to haul the "warranty block" away but then decided he didn't want to get his trunk dirty. So instead of returning the block to GM (I would think the engineers would want to inspect the damage, especially on a new engine design) he decided to just take a big hammer and break away the portion of the block with the serial number on it. Pardon me, but I smell bullshit.

Maybe somebody can link the article if some of you want to read it. I'm not accusing anybody of anything but this story just seems to work out a little to well for all parties involved! And Reggie actually helping rebuild the engine???

I hope big money and greed don't totally ruin our hobby.

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Too late.

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Maybe not. The passion will always be there. We've just got to find a way to lessen the impact of the BJs and the charlatans.

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Reggie's reputation is taking a big hit. He makes a lot of money for just having owned certain cars but now he's playing fast and loose with his reputation.

Example: There is an article in the Feb.'08 Chevy Rumble called 'History in the Making'. The writer recounts Walden and Harrell's early problems with the ZL1 aluminum blocks. The story the writer tells is far from the one I heard straight from one of he horse's mouth. Do the facts matter anymore?

After watching Reggie yesterday I thought back to what this writer claims happened to Lamar Walden's first aluminum block. According to him the regional service mgr. came by to haul the "warranty block" away but then decided he didn't want to get his trunk dirty. So instead of returning the block to GM (I would think the engineers would want to inspect the damage, especially on a new engine design) he decided to just take a big hammer and break away the portion of the block with the serial number on it. Pardon me, but I smell bullshit.

Maybe somebody can link the article if some of you want to read it. I'm not accusing anybody of anything but this story just seems to work out a little to well for all parties involved! And Reggie actually helping rebuild the engine???

I hope big money and greed don't totally ruin our hobby.

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I think it was Hot Rod that ran an article about a vintage speed shop in Oregon? that had a few original ZL-1 blocks. They also told the story of the early Zl-1s dropping valves and the GM warranty guy personally breaking said blocks upon inspection. ??????

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Are we going to have vistors from BJ on here now with black helicopters over us???

Maybe they will buy this board up!!

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During the bidding on the ZL-1, I loved it when the bidder at the back got off the bidding when he saw Reggie start to bid, he said a few choice words to the ring man then walked away. up until that point he had already bought a few cars.

I had it recorded and replayed it many times. Early on in the bidding, when Reggie was behind the auctioneer, you could read his lips: he was saying "Buy It Back".

Did anybody see the explanation Mike Joy gave on Sunday at the beginning of the broadcast?

Lots of emails about Reggie bidding on his own car. Mike explained how it wasn't his car and that nobody was allowed to bid on their car at BJ https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

What about all those buy backs over the past years? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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Just for those that came in late, I posted my link a couple pages back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiLf56NlDPc

You know, considering others have posted clips of other auction cars, if my video gets deleted, then I guess we'll know that they want to cover this thing up. If YouTube pulls my video, I'll let you guys know ASAP....unless the black helicopters get me first. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

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Boycott future BJ auctions and start your own version at Your Super Car Reunions you have yearly!

You could control the future values of the cars by keeping a better group of people surrounding them.

Involve a co-op with the said groups in the know who keep the records on these cars there by eliminating the current situation presently happening to our Hobby.

No more Camaros at BJ.

Bring them all to sYc reunions.

You could then control the future auctions etc and eliminate all doubt.
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Schoneye The federal statue on VIN's applies to a stolen vehicle. If you are the "owner of said vehicle, or agent thereof" the exemption for removing/replacing is clearly stated. The law yields if you are "repairing" your own vehicle. So when a body shop is putting a front clip , cowl or body shell on a damaged vehicle it is a repair , not a criminal act. The law needs to be amended to state that if fraud is involved it is a criminal act, stolen car or not. Defining the exact nature of where fraud exists, however, is a real challenge . Sure, we all know it when we see it, but putting it in a legal code is the hurdle. Write your elected officials. Last I looked, however, they won't even jail a guy that stole 50 Billion from investors.

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Once you guys decide on an acceptable description here is where to take it. Fax them, write them and call them.

Here is the contact info for US House of Representatives

http://clerk.house.gov/member_info/index.html

Here is the US Senate contact info, sorted by state.

http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...e&Sort=ASC

You can google search for your local state reps.

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Getting away from the ZL1 fiasco, did anyone see that 69 hugger Orange/White top 69 SS Chevelle go across the block on Sunday.? Owner claiming original paint and top.? That was a $15k repaint if ever there was one. Even the COMMENTATORS were questioning it's autheticity. BJ has definitely lost the educated seller and buyer at this point, Jackson is PT Barnum, the flim flam man. An arena for the too wealthy and too uneducated to show off and get thier mugs on TV. Can't believe I wasted hours watching that crap. My .02