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Just for the heck of it, if someone came across one of "YOUR" buildsheets maybe you could educate me on how they would be able to tell the difference from the "ORIGINAL" if ( for example) your"REPRO" buildsheet wasn't being presented as a reproduction.--Since this seems to be the wave of the future I'm just curious how I can avoid being taken for a ride

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If he tells everyone then all the fake cars won't get the high dollar figure. It'll put the cloners out of business even though some clones bring in a good buck. Clones should be sold as clones and people should be locked up when caught selling clones. My .02

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OK, my $.02 on this. I'm a graphic artist by profession. A few years ago I actually started creating the "Correct" typeface to use on reproduction window stickers and VIN decals on the drivers door. That same font could also be used on Build Sheets. It's not really all that difficult; it just takes tons of time. Bill Pritchard and a few other guys from Team Chevelle may recall my discussions on the Chevelle site at that time. A couple of things happened before I finished the project. First, my personal life took a turn. (Long, boring story.) The second thing was, I started thinking of the eventual consequences of this project. For whatever reason, I dumped the idea and I'm more comfortable about that decision everyday. Someone else may eventually tackle and complete this, but the burden of deceit will be on their shoulders; not mine.

For what it's worth, I also had reproduction window stickers for 1968, 69 & 70 that, in my opinion, are more correct than any of the others I've seen offered to date. And yes, I used originals for my example......... ones that I know are authentic because they came from my cars. Maybe someday I WILL have those made available but for now we'll just sit back and see how the 'Hobby Police' handle these situations.

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good for you, Dennis. fake paper sucks! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

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THEY ARE MADE TO COMPLEMENT A RESTORATION, JUST AS ANY OTHER REPRODUCTION PART, ........... PLEASE BE WELL INFORMED ON WHAT YOU SAY BEFORE YOU PUT IT IN WRITING........... . JIM CLEMENS - ROCKLEDGE, FL.

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I'll guess he was yelling, that's why the caps lock is on.

I may be old and forgetful but for all the car shows I've been to in my day I've never seen the build sheet as part of a fancy display, maybe tucked away in a binder to show a prospective seller.

To imply that a fake build sheet is part of a restoration (like a pair of dyed seat belts) IS BULL https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif
IT IS USED FOR ONE PRIMARY REASON AND THAT IS TO AUTHENTICATE A VEHICLE. THAT'S MY OPINION. AND I DON'T NEED TO "WELL INFORMED" BY ANYONE'S STANDARDS TO HAVE MY SAY.

You may be a well repected businessman according to some folks, but fake build sheets are counterfeit documents if they are not marked "for display" or the like.
JMHHO https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

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good for you, Dennis. fake paper sucks! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

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My sentiments exactly! Fake paper misleads even well informed buyers of vehicles and this is plain wrong!

If you wish to continue making these "reproduction" buildsheets, might I suggest as Mike has, please put "reproduction" on them because just because you made it for someone else could be seen as you helping to perpetrate a fraud/misrepresentation, in law its called constructive notice!

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Congratulations Dennis for taking the high road. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif
Verne

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Chris, I couldn't agree with you more! Fake paperwork is exactly the same thing as fake cowl tags! (or are the repro cowl tags just "for display purposes only"?)
If he's smart enough to create them, then he's smart enough to know he's selling them to people to commit fraud. Now, I'm no lawyer, but if one sells something that is used to commit fraud, I wonder how a court would view that seller when the poop hits the propeller over a fraudlent sale involving many dollars?
Long ago, when repro cowl tags first showed up on the scene, many people simply viewed them as a "restoration part". Now, we're supposed to believe the smoke and mirrors that original appearing documents are also just another part of a restoration????? HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!

Those papers are the birth certificates of the cars we love. They may have survived, or they may not have. Either way, we only have what we have. Recreating new ones to our desire is unethical, and should be illegal.
A person may have been born with with a given name that he doesn't appreciate, so he changes his birth certificate to read Richard Wadsworth, when in reality he was still born a Dick Wad.

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gifVerne

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I dont agree or disagree with any of you on this subject but if you change a tire, paint, emblem ,carpet or oil filter etc then your car is no longer all original it is however as original same goes for a build sheet say I have a true ls6 and I wanted a build sheet and I had a correct one made there is no difference it is not original but as original in any of the above to me but if I took a x 11 and put a 302 in it and had a z 28 cowl tag made then it would be a like original z28 or clone as most call it I personally would never do this but I know that people do and im not hammering on them my dad all ways told me buyer beware and know what your buying and if I had to rely on a piece of paper to tell me then Im not to smart and I do admire you folks that have the original paperwork by the way but that will never make the deal with me buying your car it will have to do that itself .I am truly a car guy and I buy cars because I like them I have never asked is this car documented before I buy but I do drive em first sorry if my spelling and punctuation is bad but Im just a ordinary joe who happens to own 12 classic cars one for each month of the year and every now and then I will buy one or two and sell em just for the thrill and by the way I have never seen a person stand up at one of my auctions or barrett jacksons and say is this car documented most true buyers are like me if we want it and the price is fair we buy it

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A person may have been born with with a given name that he doesn't appreciate, so he changes his birth certificate to read Richard Wadsworth, when in reality he was still born a Dick Wad.

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif----Where the hell do you get this stuff.........No more Coke-a-Cola for you... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gifVerne

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There's a big difference between a reproduction part required for the function of the vehicle and a piece of paper that is used to authenticate a vehicle.