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It's a topic that's been well covered before but sadly in today's world, 'numbers matching' means just that...nothing about it being THE original motor. .

Reading ads these days, it's often best to forget what it says and just look for what's not said? .

My favourite is the 'correct restamp' term...what a great oxymoron! .

I think it's excellent how the seller has been up front immediately when asked and not tried to sidestep the issue...personally I'd prefer situations like this w/ the 'correct' motor but unstamped. .

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Muscle semantics in todays world:

Whenever I now read an ad and it contains the terms "correct" or "numbers matching" I automatically interpret them to represent a car that does not retain it's "born in " driveline https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Re: eBay '66 L78 El'Camino
 

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Muscle semantics in todays world:

Whenever I now read an ad and it contains the terms "correct" or "numbers matching" I automatically interpret them to represent a car that does not retain it's "born in " driveline https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I agree. We probably should all get used to looking at ads that way. A shame, but cleverly worded ads seems to be more prevalent than ever. Some are meant to mislead, others aren't.

Re: eBay '66 L78 El'Camino
 

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Muscle semantics in todays world:

Whenever I now read an ad and it contains the terms "correct" or "numbers matching" I automatically interpret them to represent a car that does not retain it's "born in " driveline https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I agree. We probably should all get used to looking at ads that way. A shame, but cleverly worded ads seems to be more prevalent than ever. Some are meant to mislead, others aren't.

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and original unrestored means at least one paint job after it left the factory but the color corresponds to the trim tag on the car which is not illeagal to replace. got it.

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Does that mean that survivor is going to translate to older restoration?

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I don't think Mike Crown came on too strong at all. When I originally read the ad, I certainly thought the seller was saying it's a matching number motor, meaning, original motor. With the lengthly description of the car, all it would take is one short line saying non original engine. The ad could have been edited as well, and never was. I can only think of one reason to re-stamp a block, and thats to pass the car off as an original motor car. Otherwise, after the block was decked, it would have been left blank.
Even if the seller isn't trying to be deceptive, how about the next time the car is sold, and the time after that. Man you really have to be careful these days.

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Does that mean that survivor is going to translate to older restoration?

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I don't think Mike Crown came on too strong at all. When I originally read the ad, I certainly thought the seller was saying it's a matching number motor, meaning, original motor. With the lengthly description of the car, all it would take is one short line saying non original engine. The ad could have been edited as well, and never was. I can only think of one reason to re-stamp a block, and thats to pass the car off as an original motor car. Otherwise, after the block was decked, it would have been left blank.
Even if the seller isn't trying to be deceptive, how about the next time the car is sold, and the time after that. Man you really have to be careful these days.

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I think that sums it up right here, if you stamp a deck with a different VIN it is deceptive, period. Lets move on.

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Bill Rose and Mike Crown are both dead on correct in what they have posted here about real "original" cars. The sellers out there who dance around with words like "matching numbers" know that the readers are going to be impressed with the thought that the car has its factory/assembly line original parts. The more this kind of stuff happens and is glossed over the more it will negatively effect true ligit cars. Wrong is wrong and a knowing non-disclosure is wrong in any trade or hobby.
jon haislip

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That was a pretty nice El Cam though. I hope it does find a happy home, one where the owner knows its true history, and appreciates it anyway. (I know I would!!)

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Well Hank you should buy that El Camino,you could tote your guitar in the back!I can see you smiling from ear to ear now.