Re: 70 LS6
 

I believe the actual full Yenko VIN's are known through paperwork, or at least the vast majority of them are..If they aren't then what does that say...??? I don't think COPO's are..to my knowledge there isn't a list of VIN's as in the 69 ZL1's that show a complete VIN..Therefore wouldn't it be fair to say that someone can take a single 3/8" fuel line low HP V8 Camaro that is a X11 body and build a COPO. Using your theory since the VIN isn't known and if the cowl tag and body build sequence is close then it is a "possible" COPO. I'm aware of the cars being built in sequences as well btw..but since there isn't a "firm" papertrail..who would know? With fraud being such a big part of this hobby now, wouldn't a car that has a factory paperwork be worth more since it can be eliminated from the potential frauds? I hate to argue this point as I think it is again personal opinion, but IMHO..the main reason COPO prices are at the level they are currently is largely in part to this website..Think about the number of cars that are traded among members here, each time raising the "value" and also helping to "validate" the car since it can be attributed to a "SYC" member. Case in point is the cars at Legendary Motors...these are documented Yenkos that are having a hard time moving(or at least did as I'm not 100% sure they haven't sold as of this writing)at the "current" prices..if the cars weren't somewhat overly inflated then they would have moved...the "non-SYC" member doesn't or is at least having a hard time, justifying the value or they would have never stayed around..Especially for such a popular car.

I'm not saying these cars aren't worth money or trying to step on others toes, but just food for thought. The LS6 in my opinion (again we all know what they are like) is currently undervalued.

Respectfully,

Greg

Re: 70 LS6
 

What's the difference between building a fake COPO on an X11 body and building a fake LS6? It might be a little easier to build the COPO, but it's harder to get the correct parts(BE rear) vs the LS6 Chevelle parts.

Re: 70 LS6
 

There isn't a difference...the point is that with a LS6 there is a point of reference as far as documentation if the car has a buildsheet...With a COPO there isn't that point of reference..therefore it would be quite a bit easier to fake one and since the hobby says factory paperwork isn't needed to "validate" the car it would "pass" the muster if done correctly. Try to get the same value on a LS6...won't happen since the hobby expects at a minimum a buildsheet...Also while BE rears are hard to come by they aren't impossible and since that is one of the "key" COPO components people are even restamping them...


Jeff..I never changed my opinion on the values..I think the "acceptable" paperwork on a LS6 (the buildsheet at a minimum) means that when looking at both cars of equal condition and validated as to what is acceptable (a buildsheet for the LS6, nothing but a build date range, a BE rear, and a body sequence range for the COPO) the LS6 im muy opinion should bring more money, as it has factory docs and would stand a greater chance of being legit. Case in point is this L89 '69 Chevelle convert that is local. If that car had a buildsheet with it's original drivetrain it would be what 200k frame off restored..much rarer than Yenkos or LS6 converts..Since it doesn't have the "acceptable" level of docs it is only worth 75k or so done...Why?? Because the guy having the income to buy wants to see he is buying the real deal....not saying "well...??"

Re: 70 LS6
 

But you're still comparing an LS6 with docs(buildsheet) to a COPO with no docs and you can't make that comparison. I would take the LS6 with docs over a non documented COPO without the original motor. If the COPO had the matching #'s motor, then that's as good as documentation and I would take the COPO over the LS6. We all know engines get restamped, but someone can forge a buildsheet as well. Buildsheets are known to be found in the wrong car so a buildsheet isn't bulletproof evidence either.

Re: 70 LS6
 

As Jeff has stated, all paperwork can be reproduced, even fake buildsheets have been found. If I am going to pay all the money, paperwork is not the only thing I am going to look at. Uncovering the integrity and pedigree of a car involve ownership history, close inspection of each component and overall originality. Bottom line, do the research and buy the car that your most comfortable with.

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"Buildsheets are known to be found in the wrong car so a buildsheet isn't bulletproof evidence either".........................Arent the serial #s of Ls6 cars located in the right hand corner of the buildsheet,therefore easily detectable from which car it came???/ https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Re: 70 LS6
 

Greg,

Not to start a flame war, but compare apples to apples. A 1969 Camaro with a 396 vs 1969 Chevelle with a 396. Given both in the same condition which will sell for more? I agree the LS6 car does not command the respect it deserves. Look at 1971 Corvette LS6 rare yes, worth as much as a 1969 L88? I do not think so. It realy boils down to the buying public, and now Camaros are a hot ticket item not just on this site.

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yes, but someone could remove the VIN from the buildsheet or alter it and say it came in their car so their car is a real LS6.

Re: 70 LS6
 

An Ls6 buildsheet without a vin on it isnt really concrete documentation......