Re: 69 Motion ZLX Camaro
 

Yes, I can see it better in my photo here. It is the yellow bulge right in line with the tail light of the station wagon in the background. It is listed on the Motion work order: Hood Tach-$75.00 (installed).

Re: 69 Motion ZLX Camaro
 

If you're talking about the real world of olden days street racing, like in the 60s & early 70s, around Chicago most of it was done "from a roll". That could have been from 20 or 30 MPH, depending on what was agreed upon. It was less conspicuous to the cops, and, gave some people distinct advantages. It also took a lot of the skill out of driving, so, if you knew where your car would spin the least, and, could "punch it" and go straight, then raw horsepower would rule.

Re: 69 Motion ZLX Camaro
 

Thanks Kevin [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

Re: 69 Motion ZLX Camaro
 

I stayed away from this one as long as I could...

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P.S. The only reason you guys have your dog dish skinny bias ply Copo's/Zl-1's etc running so fast in the Pure Stock drags is that every mechanical part on the car has been massaged to death. A stock Zl-1 pulled off the line in '69 would run 1 to 1 1/2 seconds slower than what these cars are running today.... even with Harrell driving.

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The Phase III car should slaughter a stock Yenko/COPO car...Joel had the advantage of learning from every car he built what each combo liked and what did/didn't work, and could transfer that info to whatever car he was building that day. His combos HAD to work (and they did), or else his 11.50 guarantee wouldn't hold water. This guarantee was with an approved driver, so the driver is semi-important.

BUT, assuming that because someone can grab their credit card and a Summit catalog, and give their car the "Ricky Racer" treatment (headers/cam/slicks) doesn't guarantee that particular car will even get out of it's own way...that's as true today as it was back then. I know a V-8 Vega and a V-8 S-10, both with the slick/header/cam treatment, that are still wondering why a certain yellow car with skinny tires out ran them.

And assuming "every mechanical part" on a Pure Stock car "has been massaged to death" sounds like the battle cry of the "header-dependant" crowd. These aren't NHRA super stock cars we're talking about. Massaged? No. Have the owners paid attention to the details (jetting, timing, etc.)? You're DARN RIGHT they have. But unfortunately, a LOT of so called "racers" skip the simple and most basic stuff (timing, jetting, etc.) in favor or the more glamorous things (big cam, hood scoop, headers, etc.). Yet those simpler, less glamorous details are the basis for every powerplant on the face of the earth.

Now, about the times the "stock" cars ran back in the day...ever read any old SS&DI magazines?

Re: 69 Motion ZLX Camaro
 

Back in the "old days" it was the little things that made the difference! My 68 Camaro was a stock 396-375 HP and it ran 12 flat. The only thing I did was put on headers, got a competition valve job, (changed the valve spring retainers), put in some 4:88 gears, duel electric fuel pumps, line lock, and dumped the old Caslers for a set of M&H slicks and had a guy named "Wild man" Bobby Williams tune it, doing all the little things, timing, jetting, etc. Another important thing was traction! back in those days everyone used Lakewoods but we fabricated a set and they worked a lot better than the ones you could buy at the time. When we put the L-88 short block in the car it ran 11.4s at 126 mph.(not bad for 1969!) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif[/img]

Re: 69 Motion ZLX Camaro
 

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I was talking about a race...not what it says on paper !

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I agree. That's how it was settled in the "good ole days".

How about, Friday, August 29, 2003 at Gateway Int. Raceway, during SCR6? I know there will be a few Yenkos racing, how about a Motion car or two? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif[/img]

Oh, and by the way, during past reunions, Yenko leads the series 1-0. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Possible shootout?
 

Mmmm, tasty! I was trying to think, and correct me if I'm wrong here fellas, but the only Motion car to race at the Reunion so far was Ogle's '70 Camaro? He babied it off the line, but I remember him having a pretty strong MPH, which tells me he gave in to temptation!

I know Hassett has raced his ZL-1 at the Reunion in the past, maybe he will give the new aluminum heads on his '68 B-M a chance to strut their stuff this year and make a pass? Think Joel could talk him into it?! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif[/img]

Remember fellas, it's all in good fun, and everyone's a winner 'cause we all get to see some cool cars go down the track!

Re: Possible shootout?
 

COOL! (said in a Bevis & Butthead voice)

Does anybody trust Joel enough to let him drive their Motion car? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: Possible shootout?
 

That would something to see, Joel at the wheel of a big block Motion car. Knowing Joel, I do not think it would take much arm twisting. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

I do not have a Motion car, but have extended an invitation to one of Yenko Chevrolet's former drag racers to attend a reunion, and would let him race our Camaro.

Hey, we could have Joel in one of his cars, Herb in Lil Hoss or one of the other Gibb cars he drove and Ed in a Yenko. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

Re: Possible shootout?
 

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Does anybody trust Joel enough to let him drive their Motion car? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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If I had one,.....I would charge him $1500.00.