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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the427king</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It sure would be a somewhat easy fix to just remove the over-center spring. It could solve all the problems with the clutch. I've got my fingers crossed that it will be this easy.

Then why post anything until you have all the facts about whats wrong?????? Hopefully you aren't relying on a mechanics opinion that doesn't want to do work for you.... </div></div>

I posted because there is a problem with the clutch that the last owner (Danny) could not get fixed. I received the car with the clutch not being right and am hoping that I can get the mechanic (here in St George) to finally work on everything. That could be the problem and then it might not be the problem. Who knows at this point but the problem is there and was there when I received the car. It wasn't disclosed just like numerous other items that Danny decided to let me find out for myself.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the427king</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lets face it. If a person buying a high dollar car sight unseen can include a correctly working choke as being a misrepresented item,everyone that's sold a car on this or any forum can be accused of misrepresenting a car in some fashion. Im sorry your experience was not a positive one . Hopefully all the issues wont be as bad as they seem Its also too bad you didn't join this great site before the incident ,not simply because of it. </div></div>

I totally agree about joining the site....I only first heard about it from a friend recently that told me Danny had the car posted here and also deleted his 4 sale posting, just like he had done on all of the other boards.
I mentioned the choke but didn't get into the whole carb issue in my initial post. In a recent previous post, I mentioned that he actually switched out the carb (that he originally sent me a pic of before I bought the car) with another carb that is on the car now. With the pic he sent me of the carb, he said that was the carb on the car and was rebuilt from Scott Smith. I couldn't understand why the carb acted so poorly, especially one that Scott worked on. I confronted Danny about the swap and he constantly denied it until I provided him proof of the swap. That is why the carb is flooding and the choke isn't working properly....because he switched them out and I don't think he ever had this one rebuilt. I'll take this one off and send it to Scott for a rebuild after I get some of these other issues fixed.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L78steve</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rarely are cars perfect even when new. I would not lose sleep over the issues you have. Get them corrected and enjoy life. The rear seal issue is not one to waste time on, All 2 piece seals leak soon after they are installed. </div></div>

The rear seal is the least of my concerns. Not really a biggy. The engine and clutch are the biggest concerns and the ripped seat is right up there too. Getting an auto upholsterer is not going to happen here in St George. I'll eventually get everything fixed. I know that when you purchase a car they're never perfect. I've purchased 5 online...but have never encountered the problems in all 5 combined that I have with the Challenger I purchased from Danny. I just don't like to be deceived and lied to....nobody does. I have learned a valuable lesson because of this guy. I will not be very trusting anymore when it comes to any online purchases.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: daleone3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have no dog in the fight either but it has become the way of the world. Buying cars interstate or in this case out of Canada is a crap shoot and you really have no recourse under any circumstances without litigating and any attorney will tell you that you have very little chance of recovery after legal fees.
I had a friend bought a Nova out of mid west and got beyond screwed, was nothing like described, front springs chopped, headers dragging as it came off the truck, gauges did not work body was far worse than portrayed. He called an Attorney and was told to chalk it up to experience. It is unfortunate that you cannot trust people and I understand that after developing a rapport you felt that you had &quot;bonded&quot; with the seller however I would offer that was a tactic and not genuine to draw you in.
I also find it interesting that the posts advertising the car are no longer up, leads me to believe further that the plan was to misrepresent the condition of the car as any posting could potentially be used for litigation.
To the earlier point, get an inspection or view the car in person and assume that no matter what, you are dealing with someone that will take advantage of you. Condition is a subjective thing, I say a car is in excellent condition....what is my measure? My opinion, my experience?
This is a shame but I really don't think you have any recourse that would be less expensive than fixing the car the way you want it and moving on.
Best of luck, sorry to hear this happened.</div></div>

Thanks for your reply. I agree with you that our friendship was a tactic and not genuine and was used to draw me in. My wife would even tell me after getting off the phone with Danny that we talk like women. LOL It's sad but I agree. My only recourse is making people aware of this guy....the same guy that owns and runs the 1970 Chevelle site. The deleting of the all of his for sale posts speak loads of what he did and his intentions. I also know that condition is a subjective thing but covering up, lying, and deceiving is not. Thanks again for your reply.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS4Real</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would get it fixed on move on. No car is perfect and even the very good ones need some type of maintenance if they are driven. While the seller may not have been as forthcoming as you are, nothing substitutes for an inspection by you. Sorry to hear it was not as good as you had hoped, but it can be fixed. The issues you describe don't sound all that daunting. There are lots of good restorers out there that can fix your car to your standards. I've had my car for 17 years and it was nearly perfect when I bought mine, yet I still fix or make something better every year.

I would like to hear from the other side. Sounds like a fair compromise is in order. </div></div>


Believe me Jim, I would like nothing more than Danny to come on this post and talk to everyone. I had originally offered to pay the first $1,000 towards expenses but that wasn't working for Danny. I agree, a fair compromise is in order. I have heard from members here that they have seen him lurking here today. I'm not sure how they can tell that but if he has been here, he hasn't said anything. Danny, if you see this, say something so we can work something out. Otherwise, your inactions speaks for itself.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Don_Lightfoot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is unfortunate to read these circumstances regarding Danny. He and I have communicated over the years on the odd matter. I certainly cannot comment on the car since I don't recall seeing the &quot;for sale&quot; ad.

When I got back into the hobby in 1991 I bought a 64 GTO based on pictures only. It was a long way away in Alberta so travelling to inspect it was tough. I knew it needed a full restoration so some of the misrepresented items in the ad did not upset me too much. Also, values back then were nowhere near what they are today. I never did get back to him once I received and inspected the car. Deal was done and so be it. I restored the car and enjoyed it for a few years.

Since that time I have purchased four other Musclecars. I did personal inspections on all of them. Two of them were in Florida which was a major expense to go and see them. Each one had some issues which I learned in the inspections and others after I got them home. For me there was always things I wanted to do to the cars anyway to improve them, etc., so I didn't lose any sleep over the issues. For each of them I was happy with what I got, where I improved it and enjoyed them as well. Since I am not an investor, I was not overly worried about the money spent to improve and/or correct things as it was all about the enjoyment. At least that was my philosophy which can obviously be different than other people.

As mentioned earlier, I cannot comment on the correctness of the ad. What bothers me in today's world is a lot of manipulation in &quot;wording&quot; for a bunch of sale ads (not saying it was done in this circumstance). I can only imagine that every car that is sold needs something, some more than others. Hard to itemize all items in an ad. More times than not I would say these items would be disclosed and/or discussed in telephone conversations before the sale. From your standpoint it appears not all of this was done in this case.

From what you say Craig all the items can be addressed. If this is indeed the car you want then go ahead and fix them I guess (as was mentioned by another member previously). Once it's done then you will be happy and be able to enjoy it rather than dwell on the sale process itself. You are certainly frustrated at this time which I know will be hard to put behind you. I wish you luck and hopefully the car will turn out to be everything you wanted. </div></div>

Hi Don and thanks for your reply to this matter. I have a question for you. You mentioned that you and Danny have communicated over the years on the odd matter. Was the odd matter that you communicated with Danny the clutch problem that he was experiencing with the Challenger by any chance? If so, did he try any remedies besides just trying to adjust the clutch? Thanks, Craig

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I don't know either of these folks but I do want to remind everyone of the &quot;rule&quot; stated at the top of the For Sale section. Seems like a simple enough thing to do...&quot;to make it right-or not be able to post here any more&quot;.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> We still have the satisfaction guarantee rule. If it is yours you need to stand behind what you are selling or risk being able to post here.</div></div>

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I was having a hard time with this one. So many things are subjective on these old cars, and one mans standards can be way different than another's.

The ad being deleted was my first hmmmmm moment.

However, when the OP stated that he had picture proof that the carb that he was shown pictures of on the car was not the carb that came on the car, that was a clincher for me.

To swap out ANY parts after a car is sold, for any reason, and not get buy in from the new owner is downright fraud in my book.

To the OP.... My opinion is that the clutch, seat and leaks are all items that you would have a hard time suing the seller over. Even the possible valve issues as he could say the car was fine when it left.

I would recommend that if you indeed have photo evidence of a carb swap out, and you felt it justified to go after the seller, that you use the fraud of swapping parts as the reason.

It will cost you more in stress, money and time however than just fixing the small items, even if you have to ship the car to a big city to have the work done.

I am sure the mopar guys here can point you in the right direction.

Rich

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Well said Bruce ....but ...why is it so hard to practice what is preached .

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: caj</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Hi Don and thanks for your reply to this matter. I have a question for you. You mentioned that you and Danny have communicated over the years on the odd matter. Was the odd matter that you communicated with Danny the clutch problem that he was experiencing with the Challenger by any chance? If so, did he try any remedies besides just trying to adjust the clutch? Thanks, Craig </div></div>

It wasn't about your car Craig. Danny is a fellow Chevelle enthusiast and our communications were related to that species.