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Will you send your children off to war to defend this country when the security issue is corporate, not national?

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When I was flying missions during the '91 war* (Desert Storm) I knew full well that it was not to liberate poor little Kuwait so much as it was to re-stabilize the region's (the world's) oil business. I love driving cars and flying airplanes so I had no problem fighting for my right to do so. I would argue that the 2003 invasion of Iraq had strong corporate power influence. Think of it: You are an oil company senior executive and there's a chance that you can gain substantial access to and control of the world's second-largest oil fields--some have even said that Iraq's potential reserves are larger than Saudi Arabia's reserves. You'd be letting your shareholders down if you didn't secretly wish for an invasion to occur and plan for how to proceed once an invasion occurred. So with the provocation (and political cover) of 9/11 we almost immediately began looking at Iraq. Six years after the 2003 invasion the western oil companies have re-established their pre-1970s control (for the most part) over at least half of the oil reserves of the Middle East. Mission Accomplished? Perhaps.

I thank American soldiers, sailors and airmen every time I fill my tank. No kidding, I really do.

(*And missions from the UAE, Turkey and Saudi Arabia before and after Desert Storm.)

(Don't ask how much fuel the KC-135s had to dump during the early days of Desert Storm because of mix-ups in the frag (mission schedule), it would knock you right off of your chair.)

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This is is purely hypothetical but would make lots of sense...
Penske bought the Saturn name... none of the manufacturing plants. On the same day Opel announced they were not going to import cars to the US. I think Penske is going to rebrand Opels imported as Saturns.

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The HumVees uses by the military was never built by GM. The hummers built by GM are way different.

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Correct,Humvees are made by AM General not GM.I think they are located in Indy somewhere.

The name Hummer was sold to GM.Now sold to China.

competely different.

BTW Gm has already been geared up to import cars from China in 18 Months.This has already been in the works in this global economy.

This gov intervention/bailout (what ever you want to call it) simply made their blessing public.

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Thanks for clearing the HumVee and Hummer differences. Do the HumVees use the GM Diesel though.

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Thanks for clearing the HumVee and Hummer differences. Do the HumVees use the GM Diesel though.

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They used to.....

Not any longer..
I'm not sure who supllies their powerplant.
I Would not be surprized if they produced their own Diesel engine.

I know its not Cat,Detroit or Cummins..

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Now the Medium Duty Trucks are on the way out...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31170969/

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~ Pete

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I think what you will find is that this is all a charade by the big three manufacturers to cover their exit from North America as a manufacturing base. All they can see is the cheap labour in China and the extra profits that can be made. They are just the tail end of the exodus. It has been said that Saturn has never turned a profit, even now when they are just a re-skinned version of another GM product. It's hard to see the Penske reasoning. Same with the Hummer, unless they plan on moving production to China or another cheap labour market.

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Now the Medium Duty Trucks are on the way out...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31170969/

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~ Pete

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Boy, that sucks! One ramification I see from that is future HD engine development (or lack thereof)...previously & currently, the 4500/5500 trucks used the same powerplant as lighter duty 3500 trucks (8100 & Dmax, most recently)...but with 1 less model line utilizing a pretty specific & limited powertrain, it just makes it that more expensive for it to hang around...I could easily see GM bail on the 2500/3500 market, and basically hand it to FoMoCo (which does the majority of heavy fleet sales already).

There for a while there was talk of a 4.5L Dmax for the lighter GM trucks (like folks have been asking for for YEARS), but last I heard it was shelved...crazy thing is, it would have provided a significant increase in fuel economy & longevity...guess I'll just have to build my own?! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

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What's next...sorry but here's a sad and somewhat blasphemous thought.https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif.

Being that Ford always claims to have the best selling trucks since it takes the combined sales of Chevy and GMC trucks to beat Fords total, will GM soon discontinue all Chevy trucks (Light duty included) and just sell GMC badged units at all dealers to knock Ford off the top? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif.

What, no more Chevy trucks, Apple pies and USA, they wouldn't...would they?.
Obviously nothing is safe, sacred or surprising w/ GM these days so who friggin' knows???
And if they try it, the way they're losing loyalty it may not work anyway?.

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~ Pete

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I think what you will find is that this is all a charade by the big three manufacturers to cover their exit from North America as a manufacturing base. All they can see is the cheap labour in China and the extra profits that can be made. They are just the tail end of the exodus. It has been said that Saturn has never turned a profit, even now when they are just a re-skinned version of another GM product. It's hard to see the Penske reasoning. Same with the Hummer, unless they plan on moving production to China or another cheap labour market.

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Keith,

You took the words right out of my mouth.I'm willing to bet they are already geared up to build these trucks oversees.With NAFTA and the posibility of NWO why not?

The world is going to be a more efficient place.:)