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I hope one is out there. I dunno if it is or not but they were talking about it long before 70... This isn't concrete by any means but read what this guy wrote about the 68 Chevy II on the right hand column. Sorry the scan isn't any clearer.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...es/speed68.jpg

Tommy

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I thought there were 18 L89s built in '70, and those are understood to be L78 Chevelles?

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I have documentation on two of these cars and have met and followed the restoration of one of these cars very closely. The car has been discussed quite frequently on Team Chevelle.
Rick

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Two years ago a local 1970 Chevelle was pulled out of a long hybernation. It was believed to be an early LS6. (no engine)

A build sheet was found that very day verifying L89.

The production number of these cars has to be very low, yet at least a few have been found.

Big Blocks were build at the Tonawanda Plant, which is very close to the Canadian boarder. You would think that word of mouth, from the plants performance minded employees would have leaked out to at least some friends and family of the GM employeees and that we would have at least a few documented Canadian exemples, at the very least.

If any were produced they would be the exception which proves the rule. Kinda like the one and only X22 Copo Camaro or M40 1970 L78 Camaro.

Just my opinion.

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Chuck, I was refering to aluminum headed camaros chevelles, and corvettes built in the 68 69 range. But yes I do remember reading about the 70 chevelles with that option. My question asked why would chevrolet not offer the L89 option on novas, 68 through 70? What would chevrolets reason be for not allowing them to be optioned on a nova? Companies do, or don't do things for specific reasons most of the time. That said, it might be a BS reason, but it's usually based on some sort of corporate logic.

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Thanks for backing me, Bud. This was a real GM factory window sticker stating the L-89 option. Not a dealer order form. Not a dealer invoice. A REAL GM WINDOW STICKER that I held in my hands 3-4 years ago. I know what I'm talking about. This Nova was the only 'hot rod' that Bill ever owned and he sold it after only owning it a few years. He had the typical new car photos and window sticker in a shoe box in his closet for 30 years! He overhears me and another co-worker talkin' cars and chimes in. Needless to say I was stunned when this shy, humble fellow brought this stuff to work several days later. He was so excited by my enthusiasm and questions about the car that he gave me the pictures. Yeah, I know. I should have asked for the window sticker also but didn't want to seem greedy. He later said I could have that also next time he runs across it, but to be honest, I asked many more times about it and I'm afraid something happened to it or he just wants to keep it. Oh well, I seen it and know for myself that these things are real. You know, some people can not be convinced no matter what. I recently sold my numbers matching 1968 L-79 Chevy II and it was shocking to me how many people doubted that car even with bulletproof paperwork and docs!

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Ken, if there werent any/many i would guess it would be because the option was usually found on higher base price dollar corvettes and high optioned camaros.No coincidence that the highest production figures of L89s were always on highest base price/total price cars because the big cost could more easily be buried in the overall price. Even the more desirable camaro couldnt sell well with the added cost so im sure the novas would have been a harder sell for sure [mine sat on the dealer floor for over 10 months] An 800.00 L78/L89 option on a Nova added over 33% to the base price . It would seem wasteful to offer a huge cost option on a car that was considered a "budget" car back that did not have the overall option availability that the other 3 cars had either.[ [no hate mail please, i own novas too !] Ill bet a few nova buyers left the dealership with a set of new 842s in the trunk though

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Mark...was the window sticker car a '69 or '70 and do you still have the pics you can share?.

Slightly off the topic but while we're on the L89's, has anything on any real '68-'70 Mk1V Nova 4-doors ever surfaced?.

~ Pete
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My question actually is directed to Mr. Johnson. In his position as a prominent chevy hi performance dealer I was hopeing he could shed some light on why /reason, that he was given, that L89 heads could not be ordered on a nova.
I'm not sure that I agree on you reasoning about the cost issue. The people I knew who bought L89 camaros, and chevelles, bought them to race and wanted the al heads for a weight advantage. Even a base nova with Al heads would be cheaper than a 4675.00 Yenko deuce, and I know a few people who thought having an LT/1 in a nova was worth it. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Back then the orders for any car was done by mail. If the order went through the dealer would get an acknowledgment notice back from Chevrolet and the car would be built. If not it would come back incompatible and the order would be canceled. There was no other reason giving. I wonder if the window sticker was a dealer made sticker? We were giving blank window stickers from GM and would retype them when options were added. My friend Ed has some of then,he can be contacted at [email protected]

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Hope he is not makin fake ones up https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/blush.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

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This thread is turning into this thread
http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109575

And in this case an actual car exists

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I would still like to see the window sticker to this car. I see it has a sign in the trunk stating that its an L89 car,does that make it real?

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Where's the paper.? just because Legendary restored it doesn't mean it's bulletproof authentic, Non original 3:50 gears, that ratio was not available production in 70 on a Nova. CBT 3:55 or CBS 3:31 (posi) closet factory ratio's, most popular in 70 BB Nova's

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Supposedly a POP to back it up and enough other information to make it difficult to DIS-prove. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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This subject, L89 Novas, has been discussed at length on this site. No one has yet to step forward with documentation to support this claim. It is the opinion of many, including myself, that none were produced.

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A noted expert, who I trust, has viewed the paperwork as well as the car, and he says it is legit.


In addition, the car was on display (no ropes) and the owner nearby to answer questions at SCR10.

Not for sure what else can be done. IMO, the car is the first documented L-89 Nova.

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A noted expert, who I trust, has viewed the paperwork as well as the car, and he says it is legit.


In addition, the car was on display (no ropes) and the owner nearby to answer questions at SCR10.

Not for sure what else can be done. IMO, the car is the first documented L-89 Nova.

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How about posting a copy of the paperwork for all to see.

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I guess without intentionally meaning to upset anyone, I need to ask "why does everyone have to see the paperwork to believe it?"

I talked with the owner, the restorer and an associate of the 'noted expert' Tom mentioned. Like I said above, there's enough documentation to eliminate most reasonable doubt. Did I see it with my own eyes? No. But I trust in the folks who have the knowledge to sort out these things. And since I have no horse in this race, why would I stir the issue?
It's a cool car. End of story (at least for me).

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I hope it is legit. I would love to finally have an answer to the this issue. If its real, then at least one exists.

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Just before leaving SCR 10 and talking to Charley about this car and the person who "Authenticated" it.......Chances are that it's 100% legit..... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Just before leaving SCR 10 and talking to Charley about this car and the person who "Authenticated" it.......Chances are that it's 100% legit..... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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I was there at that same conversation... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

and heard the exact same thing

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If I owned the car... I would not post the paperwork on a public forum for all those who would want to "repo" it...
..if someone is truly interested in the information...as rare as this car would be...would find the time in their busy day to talk directly with the owner and personaly "look" at the documentation.
..I think it is a great find.
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I second that John.


Jason

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i have been following this thread and i feel the owner does not need to post any proof. anybody doubting the cars authenticity...too bad for you.

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I spoke with the expert that flew up to Canada to inspect it at Legendary. He might or might not chime in here but basically what he expected was to prove it was a fake but everything he inspected told him it was real. I believe it was a crusty old engine and they even had cameras rolling when they pulled the heads to check the broach marks. Everything was right. Pretty cool car that I believe is real. Even the owner wanted it proved or disproved before he spent all the dough on the resto.

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Did anyone catch the name of the original selling dealership?
Curious if it was a well known Hi-po or Mom n' Pop.

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As some of you know, if the owner has just the buildsheet (not the full broadcast sheet)It would not show the engine designation/suffix. It was there for 69 Nova's but not there for 70. Full broadcast sheets are very rare in Novas.

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I don't understand all this fuss about L89 Novas....kwhizz has had one for years..so they must be real https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

wilma

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What would be a price on this car if its real, and only one made?

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At York, I heard about this car and everything that Charley posted above is correct. The expert went to debunk the car and prove it was fake but it turned out to be real. The expert has no ties to or interests in the car so I believe them.

Cool find...I do believe there are another 3 or 4 other L89 Novas out there. As far as the price goes, that's a good question. If this car trades it would establish the bench mark.

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I thought elsewhere in this thread the figure of $200k was mentioned. If that is the case I would say the sellers are not that sure of it.
If it were mine I would price it similar to bid price of
1968 Z-28 vert.

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I spoke with the owner of the car at breakfast during scr and seemed to be very nice guy with a super looking nova that I would love to have whether real or not. I say that only because I have no interest here just making a point as an outsider looking in on this after the show or I would of asked him at the table. why no docs shown for proof and why is the "expert" being kept a secret? Two points that make people sceptical both link to non disclosure of details. I know, he doesn't have to do anything but I don't understand why the secrecy especially of an independent expert. I have some land to sell with an expert appraiser by the way if anyone is interested. Can't provide his name or contact info though.. just seems strange.

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Bill,
Not taking issue with you at all, so please don't take offense. As I understand it at the moment, the car IS NOT for sale. If it becomes available, and I was an interested buyer, I also would expect the owner to offer some proof of authenticity. Until that point, why should he be 'required' to step up?
As far as the 'Expert'; I refer back to Charley's post. If he chooses to chime in, so be it. If/when he does, I hope it puts all questions to rest. I think most people on this site have nothing but respect for this individual. I guess I just can't understand why everyone 'needs' to know if they're not directly involved in a 'transaction'.
Just my $.02.
Dennis

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i believe that if the car is real and is documented...

200k is not enough coin for the car....

after all, where ya gonna find another one https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif jmo

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I never heard any 200K mentioned and that in my opinion would be pretty cheap....

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No offense taken Dennis, I understand what you are saying and have sense found out whom the expert is and trust his opinion as others on the site. I also understand the owner has no obligation here and not selling the car. I am looking more from a standpoint of the hobby and historical significance of the car to the hobby full disclosure would be nice. I won't loose any sleep on it. thanks for the civil response and best of luck to the owner of a really cool car. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

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I would have liked to see the doc's myself, just to say that I'd seen them. This is the second time I've seen that car, both times the doc's were elsewhere.

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thanks for the civil response

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And to you sir. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

(BTW, in case you weren't aware; I lust for Cortez Deuces. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif )

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I have a Cortez Silver car that you still don't have the keys for https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif.
As for this topic.The owner of this car and the guy from Legendary Motorcars was seated at our table at the banquet.Both very nice people.I for one would like to go through Legendary Motorcars on a tour as I think it would be very interesting.I told the owner that I thought that car was KILLER.I'm not a black car guy but man does that car make me https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/drool.gif.I can't see myself ever owning a car like that,but what a very nice investment.
Kendall

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I have a Cortez Silver car that you still don't have the keys for https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif.
As for this topic.The owner of this car and the guy from Legendary Motorcars was seated at our table at the banquet.Both very nice people.I for one would like to go through Legendary Motorcars on a tour as I think it would be very interesting.I told the owner that I thought that car was KILLER.I'm not a black car guy but man does that car make me https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/drool.gif.I can't see myself ever owning a car like that,but what a very nice investment.
Kendall

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When someone uses the term "but what a very nice investment" with any of these cars, it https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif me. There have been many that thought that way only to be https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/mad.gif at some point in time.

Those are just my pennies from heaven.

Patrick