Re: $200K 1969 Z-28
 

I have a 20k orig mile rs car completely unrestored(even the hood) has the orig air in the tires that i want to sell https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif well maybe not. I have no price in mind,no pics,really no info,but i did stay at a holiday inn express last nite!!!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif I believe what makes this post even worse is that jerry is a professional appraiser for these cars,perhaps the market has got him stumped once again https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

Re: $200K 1969 Z-28
 

How much can a car be "fluffed" and still be called a survivor? What is the true definition of "survivor" car? I have heard alot of different explanations lately, and they all are different.

Re: $200K 1969 Z-28
 

I personally draw the line at red heater hoses.

Re: $200K 1969 Z-28
 

Charlie,

I am not touting the car. Stuart Adams asked if the car was for still for sale. All I did was say yes and give him my e-mail. Is that touting? You've already pulled the car from the cars for sale section of this site. I don't have a problem with that.....and I didn't know about your rule about pricing the car.

Thanks,

Jerry

Re: $200K 1969 Z-28
 

"Yes, my Z has twice the mileage but it is twice the car. I will bet my reputation on that! Factory chambered, factory floor mats, 4.10 rear, build sheet and all the original parts are in this car........shocks, exhaust, master cylinder, etc, etc. Anyone, and I mean anyone is free to come by my shop and inspect this car in person. The ink stampings are still on the carb."
I would call that touting. You are free to place your car for sale on this site but put a price on it. I had sent you a private message regarding the ad but you did not respond.

Re: $200K 1969 Z-28
 

Charlie,

I stated that information because you were tending to bash the car that I have......."The Barrett-Jackson car has 11000 miles. I think Jerry's had over twice the mileage." Like a 28K mileage car with all original parts intact is a POS survivor compaired to the one sold at BJ? You don't know for certain that the 11K car mileage car is real, and it appears that most clear thinking Camaro hobbyists on this site think that this car had more than maintenance issues.

I never received your private message about selling or posting my car.

Thanks,

Jerry

Re: $200K 1969 Z-28
 

Jerry...I sent the private message at 10:43 am yesterday. It is probably still there. You are right. I don't know for certain that the 11K mile car is real but from the looks and history I believe it is. The 11K mile car appears to be what it is, blemishes and all. I would expect your car to have no blemishes. You are in the car business and restore parts etc. If your car had the wrong water pump, I would think you would find the right pump. The 11K mile Z28 has all it's flaws out in plain sight. I have no idea if you had to do anything to your car and I don't really care. I am not bashing your car but you seem determined to bash the auction car. Given the lower miles of the auction car and I believe someone said it had not been titled I would rather have the auction car.

Re: $200K 1969 Z-28
 

Charlie,

And as you said before, we will just have to agree to disagree. I do know from the many years of my experience in my business that many dealers who sell cars misrepresent them. Do you know how many restamped Camaro engines I saw at the auction that were represented as "numbers matching"? Many! I see this 80% of the time when traveling to classic car dealers and high-volume sellers/flippers. Honesty and integrity is not what this hobby is about anymore. Unfortunately, it's all about money today! There is a big part of me that wishes these cars were not as valuable as they've become. That would make many of the law suits go away and tend to keep this hobby honest and to the true Camaro lover and not the Camaro investor-seller.

You for example have had the good fortune and luxury of owning several ZL1 Camaros. I will never have that luxury because the value of ZL1's have gone throught the roof. Even if I never get to own one, I do have the teenage memories of seeing these cars in the dealer showroom when they were new (Jerry Govans, AD Anderson, and Sport Chevrolet). I also got to hang out with a couple of locals who raced these cars when they were new.........and those memories are priceless.

Thanks,

Jerry

Re: $200K 1969 Z-28
 

I have known Jerry McNeish for a very long time (since 1989). I know first hand what he looks for when considering a car's quality and value. In the matter of this particular 1969 Z28 Camaro, I would absolutely trust his opinion of what this car really is and at looking at the photos posted on the Barrett-Jackson site of the under hood picture I am more trusting of his opinion.

jon

Re: $200K 1969 Z-28
 

I nominate Jerry MacNeish for Camaro President!!!!
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

On a more serious note, I also have had the previlege of being one of Jerry's friends since oh ...1989 too.

I can honestly say that there isn't anyone, and I mean anyone, who love's and appreciates these cars for what they are.....an enthusiasts car, more than him.

Knowing that, I can really see his concern about whrere these cars and the Camaro hobby in general is going.

It's a real shame that the folks who don't own one of these cars now and wants one, will probably never be able to afford it....

Re: $200K 1969 Z-28
 

The bottom line is that a very low mileage original and documented 69 z is not worth 200,000. They are not worth 100,000 either. For that matter 50,000 is stretching it.

Re: $200K 1969 Z-28
 

I talked with a friend from Moline Ill today who has been involved with racing, and muscle cars on that side of the river for a long time. I asked about that Z that went through the auction as it showed the Mills/Moline on the tail panel. He said Bud Mills the dealership owner, let his son drive that car. Never titled it. Just kept it as a dealership car. Later sold it to another dealer who for some reason didn't title it either. Said the kid was not afraid to drive it. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

Re: $200K 1969 Z-28
 

I know one thing for sure....I hang out with Jerry at the drags on occasion and he is one HECK of a driver and that Old Reliable is one HECK of a car! Can't wait till the spring. Maybe even a national record this year!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

Re: $200K 1969 Z-28
 

Their is also a very original LS6 Chevelle which was sold new out of Mills Chevrolet that was for sale recently. The car is pretty cool and resembles Dennis Cumby's black no stripe LS6. It also seemed to have a lot of paperwork. The car is owned by Terry Carney who was a co owner with our own oldredalert on the Red Alert LS6 Chevelle.

Mills Chevrolet sold at least one 1967 Yenko Camaro. It seems with the cars from their that survive that they sold their fair share of muscle cars.

I have seen this on e-bay for some time now. Somebody pick this up.

http://cgi.ebay.com/MOLINE-IL-MILLS-CHEV...1QQcmdZViewItem

Re: $200K 1969 Z-28
 

Frank, Mills was the most performance oriented dealership in what they used to call the quint cities back then. They were big into corvettes. Lots of BB chevelles. They did have a 67 Yenko camaro go through. It was raced heavily, and crashed at the strip. I'm still chasing pics of it.
It was Bob Erickson though in Milan Ill. that sold the Yenko deuce that Cronkleton owns. Only deuce they had.

Re: $200K 1969 Z-28
 

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Mills Chevrolet sold at least one 1967 Yenko Camaro. It seems with the cars from their that survive that they sold their fair share of muscle cars.

I have seen this on e-bay for some time now. Somebody pick this up.

http://cgi.ebay.com/MOLINE-IL-MILLS-CHEV...1QQcmdZViewItem

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happy? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

Re: $200K 1969 Z-28
 

Why does that not surpise me! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Re: $200K 1969 Z-28
 

I know that Jerry has never been one to beat around the bush on a car. He is the first one to say "The king is naked". I was lucky enough to be able to work for this man and to see first hand how meticulous he is in going over each and every Camaro. It was almost painful to see him document and keep records. No pun intended, but if ever there was a person "reliable" enough to be called a Camaro Expert, it would be Jerry MacNeish. Again, he has never been afraid to call the baby ugly (he may come across a little ruff, but face it, the truth hurts!). I have traveled with him to appraise and certify cars many times, and yes a majority of them are exactly as advertised. Have you ever seen the face of someone who has blown $60,000 for a car, then hire Jerry to certify it and then to find out it was a clone? Jerry has been to court many times, called upon as an expert witness, to testify. The reason people call on Jerry to certify their cars, to check out cars they want to purchase, is because he knows his business and his reputation is second to none. If there are any other "experts" out there please chime in, you know what I am talking about. I would like to nominate Jerry to replace Bill O'Reilly.

Re: $200K 1969 Z-28
 

To SMGCO,

Regarding your comments on the values of 1969 Z28's. We have done a lot of home work and research on this subject and in today's market pre BJ, a nice original survivor 69 Z would have a value in the $60-100K range. Restored cars are in the $60-70K range. As I stated before, BJ does raise the values on these cars but not through the roof as the $205K Z28. And now after reading the post here from SchonYenko2 who knows the dealership and owner, there might be more skeletons in the closet of this green survivor car than originally thought. Throw a dealer tag on the car and drive. Another reason why many of these parts were changed........and who knows what the actual mileage is?

Thanks again guys for your support here. I do appreciate it and it appears that all my hard work and dedication to this hobby has paid off.

Jerry

Re: $200K 1969 Z-28
 

Who's Bill O'Rielly?

Re: $200K 1969 Z-28
 

Survivor camaros are very rare and desirable. Most unrestored cars have had some form of maintenance performed, although there are a few time capsules. In the Camaro arena there is one program VINTAGE CAMARO that judges and certifies these cars. Our program incorporates four divisions to accomodate the different levels of originality. These cars represent the benchmark by which camaros should be restored to. We have had the pleasure of certifying many ultra low mileage cars from COPOs to grocery getters. They all have a story to tell and much is learned from them and documented. Below I pasted a document that outlines our program and the criteria we use in our program.

VINTAGE CAMARO PROVIDES THE FOLLOWING:


• Encourages the preservation, status, recognition and appreciation of unrestored Camaros

• Offer the hobbyist the opportunity to have their Camaro certified objectively and fairly

• Promotes and adheres to the philosophy that the original car showing wear is preferable to one that is improperly restored

• Vintage Camaro represents a repository of factory correct standards by which the hobby and serious restorers can all benefit

• Vintage Certification identifies a Camaro as having completed a thorough exhausting inspection process, which references factory standards, and at a level as certified by Vintage Camaro

Vintage Certifications levels are divided into four divisions:


• Vintage Legend - Camaros that are 80%-90% unrestored in all reference areas.
• Vintage Legacy - Camaros that are minimally 50% unrestored, in three out of five reference areas.
• Vintage Reference - Camaros that are unrestored in at least
one Vintage Reference Area.
• Camaro Icon - Camaros that have original-unrestored
components disbursed throughout.

Reference Areas: Certification consists of two areas of consideration, Originality (90%) and Preservation (10%). Reference areas are as follows:

• Engine Compartment Area
• Exterior Body
• Interior Body
• Underbody
• Trunk


What are the benefits of Vintage Certification???
• Vintage Camaro is unique, because it provides recognition, value and status to unrestored (survivor) Camaros.

• Provides documentation, and verifies the Camaros pedigree.

• Provides the owner with a detailed listing of correct and incorrect items

• Our goal is to uncover new information and share it with you.


How do I proceed getting my Camaro Certified???

Simply review our rules and guidelines packet. If after reviewing our packet you feel your Camaro meets our criteria, fill out the last page Request for Application and mail it to the address provided at the bottom of the application.

If you have questions,or feel your car qualifies we can be contacted directly, Steve at 631-514-9765 / [email protected] or Brett can be reached at 740-676-4920.


BTW we are in search of a few survivor class camaros. We will be participating at the Camaro Nationals @ Carlisle this June. For further detailed information about our program email me and I will send out our Rules& Guidelines packet with an application.

Re: $200K 1969 Z-28
 

I have dealt with Jerry M for probably close to 15 years. He has always generously given time to answer questions, give advice and in general help in any way he can. Since he started his business he has rebuilt, replated, restored and modified parts for me. He has located parts for me. He has on occasion purchased parts from me. I have used the books he has written until they have literally fallen apart from being referred to so often. He has given me informal advice on cars or parts I was interested in purchasing. He has done formal pre purchase evaluations and appraisals for me, but only when he thought it warranted taking a further look. His work is excellent and his prices are fair. Most importantly, he is honest. He will tell you what he thinks about something regardless of who owns the car he may be giving you an opinion on or who he may offend. You ask for his opinion and you get his honest opinion, and I believe that to be a rare quality. You can choose to agree with his opinion or agree to disagree as has been previously stated.

Re: $200K 1969 Z-28
 

Ha Ha HA HAHAHAHA
I see, we think much alike Captain, you and I.
GOOD