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I remember the last time you stirred the pot on the chevelle site regarding the LS6 registry and alienated everyone there as well.

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Wow, can't believe I am posting on this thread but at least I will change the subject for a moment. Steve, no offense meant to either you or Greg but in the interest of keeping the LS-6 Registry out of a negative discussion as that is the last thing I need, I think you meant to say the ACES Chevelle club guidelines thread NOT the LS-6 Registry thread. Just wanted to clear the air and keep the registry on a positive note as I have spent considerable amounts of time to keep it that way. Sorry if I missed something if in fact I did. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif
Rick

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Tom and others,


That sure does look a lot like your car..and imagine that..no need to come up with other cars or 1 car has different doors or tail lights or a different spoiler.....BUT..wait a min..it can't be YOUR car..because you bought your car from some guy and HE SAID you had a DH car..man what was I thinking....man glad I don't have to go in the garage and always wonder if my homework was right...Hopefully for you Huston Platt or someone else doesn't get looking at YOUR DH car and say "ghee" ...

Might you want to at LEAST, POSSIBLY look at re-researching what you have????

As far as my comments go...well here is a real world situation of a car I actually own and have spoken to others here about...

I have a 1969 X11, 02 built Hugger Orange Camaro. It has a BE rear in it and all the attributes of a COPO. There is no engine or trans however. I have been researching the car and its' history to try and determine if it is a COPO. I haven't spoken to Ed C about the car, instead wanting to further research the car..

However based on what you guys as a collective group (and since all the post from about pg 4 or so have people with stars on them) you as a group are voicing your collective opinion. I now feel comfortable saying the car IS a COPO. After all I did alittle research, the car looks like one, the guy I bought it from about 10 years ago thought it was one, and most importantly YOU as a group say it is...since no hard research, no hard documentation, no matter if there is a chance I'm wrong or that possible evidence to the contrary shows up...So in the space of 2 hours I can now bring a new, previously unfound, highly collectible COPO Camaro to the table. Well I'm giving some thought to selling and since "The Premier Supercar Website" just validated it for me the value just went up...

Thanks guys..you made my night...even as I'm being the butt of a lot of your childish jokes and post..

All I'm going to say in regards to some of the personal attacks, mocking post and jabs..I guess you guys have all the answers... Since I didn't specifically call anyone out by name but instead was called out by a few..especially someone in Steve Shauger (paceme) that I respected..notice the past tense i will take a sec to make a few comments..stay in the Camaro world..the last time I checked your knowledge of Chevelles and specifically LS6's it was fractional at best..You neither truly know me or are a "drinking buddy".. I expected better from you however, especially given the fact we have corresponded for 10 years or so..guess my judgement of you and your character was wrong as you se fit to make your post personal..I expected that sort of stuff from the likes of Rick Peters..after all everyone knows he is a female dog, but you I thought highly of..

I'm done..you guys figure out what Tom has

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Tom has Harrells car...I'm an expert now...I looked at the pics.End of story...hey why not ...its as good as anything else...this guy who is an expert had the car in his show booth...and saw it 2 years after...and never had any issues but now miraculously he looked at some pictures or something and he says it's not the car after all these years ? None of it smells right...now they are trotting their proclamation out to all kinds of websites praying someone will believe them but in time they will all see right thru it all...no matter what the car is ...Harrells name has suffered . Hopefully Val sees that

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So now its definitely the Huston Platt car? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif Gee and today in less than one hour on google I found no less than half dozen other period 68 Camaro funny cars with the same passenger door defect, same spoiler and at least one definitely has the same tail lights. P-L-E-A-S-E.

Here's one for you raced by John Dekker. (Several pictures halfway down the page.)

http://coloradoracingmemories.com/cr.../crmdekker.htm

So why couldn't it be any of these if its not the DH car?

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I am not a funny car expert but in 30 seconds I noticed the brace bars between the frame rails on the Platt car all run the opposite way than Tom's. Somebody must have noticed this!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif Come on experts!! good night

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I don't personally care about any of this BS,but I did read some not all, I can't figure out where this Greg2001LS6 fits into this, he seems like he's lonely and needs to be controversial just for someone to talk to. I must say if you EVER stuck your nose into my business you wouldn't be around to do it again. GET A LIFE

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lol https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

The evidence keeps pouring in. Looks like a rabbits smoke and mirror show staring the MAD hatter......Timmy! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/crazy.gif

BTW I see what you mean Kim!

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/179124-joker2.jpg

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I am not a student of those pics that Ed posted but the other camps arguement is based on there being only one 67-8 Harrell car. Tom has said all along he thought there were two cars. Do Eds pics confirm 1 or 2 67-8 cars ? The guys studying every nut and bolt must have a opinion on that.

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<font color="blue">WTF GUYS?!?!?!?
The only thing that really matters is that Tom has a really cool
nostalgia funny car, that looks like a DH car.

If I saw that car at a Funnycar Reunion or the Hot Rod Reunion,
I would think it was the coolest thing since sliced bread!

NOW, if Tom decides to sell that car as an original DH car,
THEN &amp; only THEN. should any of this BS matter.

I have been on this site for a couple of years now &amp; enjoy it most of the time.
I try to post interesting (but mostly funny) comments, because I am no expert on ANY of this.
Controversy is great to a point, but to try &amp; put someones blood, sweat &amp; tears down
because YOU THINK they are doing it ALL WRONG is crazy.

I wish I had the patience to build one of these nostalgia cars, real or copy,
because they are much cooler to me than the new megadollar stuff.
Anyway https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ouguysrock.gif &amp; I will continue to post, look &amp; listen, but please, STOP THE INSANITY! </font>




Some idiot on this site made an original Baldwin car a Pro-Street!!! Can you believe that!!!


<font color="blue">(oh, that was me, s*it, I can't even start controversy right.)</font>
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My last post was directed to you only, which is why I addressed you Greg. To insinuate we don't care about research or the pedigree of a car is wrong. This site has uncovered many fake and bogus cars. What is the big deal with using your first name you have signed your posts "GS CARLSON".
I was comparing your badgering and unwarranted innuendos, with what you had done in the past on the Chevelle.net site regarding ACES judging format. You called into question the integrity of the head judges with absolutely no justification. You did apologize but the damage had been done. Give it a break, and get off your horse. I feel the same way about as I have in the past.

Rick, sorry as stated above I was referring to the ACES judging format...amazing you knew exactly what I was talking about.

Regarding have a double shot, I am not planning on having a drink with you anytime soon.

Respectfully,

S A Shauger

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..I expected that sort of stuff from the likes of Rick Peters..after all everyone knows he is a female dog,
(POSTED BY GREG)

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Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ouguysrock.gif

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This whole issue is "moot" as neither party can "Prove it" one way or the other - to the other's satisfaction.

This has gotten sick and personal now, and looks like a well planned and coordinated premeditated attack on the entire SYC website and in addition the attacks have now spread to at least one secondary website.

This is not good as we as a site are being dragged through the mud on an issue that is not subject to debate. It is Tom's car and no one elses.

But Really this is not about Tom's car. This whole matter is about attacking this site and its members and seems to be part of a larger plan.

Moderators Please "call the cab".

Phil https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

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Greg, I WAS going to just let your comments about ALL OF US just kinda slide off my back with little comment, but your last post blew that.
Being an outsider to this doesn't it seem real fishy how the TWIST of this has happened. People in the know praising the car then but suddenly now SPINNING it around. See as an unbiased obserever with no passion either way, I see the Harrell name severly damaged in this process. Look there are real SUPERCAR enthuisiasts that would not even touch one of the Harrrell cars now. I see no conclusive evidence its NOT a DH FC.
As far as your COPO, try and sell it as real and the market will tell you in $ if it is, get it. See the price of the cars now mandate thourough research and from the sounds of your copo docs the price won't be what YOU think.
I still don't understand why you would go to this extreme to alienate everybody over this , for what, who cares. Sell your computer and move on man.

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So now its definitely the Huston Platt car? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif Gee and today in less than one hour on google I found no less than half dozen other period 68 Camaro funny cars with the same passenger door defect, same spoiler and at least one definitely has the same tail lights. P-L-E-A-S-E.

Here's one for you raced by John Dekker. (Several pictures halfway down the page.)

http://coloradoracingmemories.com/cr.../crmdekker.htm

So why couldn't it be any of these if its not the DH car?

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Jeff, WOW! Everyone really needs to check out that link. And I would love to see some of the other pictures you uncovered. Talk about shedding new light on the whole passenger door defect, same spoiler and definitely the same tail light theory posted elsewhere.

BTW, does anyone know, and/or can anyone tell what company produced the body for the Western Sound FC?

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I am not taking sides on any of this, as truly it doesn't effect my life in any way, shape, or form.

That being said, it seems to me that the only way to put thhis thing to bed is to post pictures of the car in both the "as found" condition and pics from the resto process. In sanding my plain jane '68 I got down to original factory paint, there HAS to be some photos documenting what you found. Post these and let's be done with the whole thing.

For the record, I agree that the only time this is really pertinent is if/when TC goes to sell the car. Otherwise, it is just a pi$$ing contest.

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When times were simpler. Valerie Harrell with my car.

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/50145-VALCAR.JPG

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Valerie and Pudle with my car. Is Dale trying to open the door? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/50146-DP-VH.JPG

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Pulde in my car, approaching the water box.

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/50149-BOX1.JPG

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Pulde exiting the water box.

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/50150-BOX2.JPG

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Dave Libby with my car, his hand resting on the spoiler.

BTW, the credit for these photos go to Mr. Libby.

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/50148-DAVE-CAR.JPG

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I'm too ADD to know what the hell all this is about but somehow it kinda makes me glad I'm into the 02 Camaros. But then again, that's just me and I'm known for being very confused and a little slow on the uptake.

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And this one, my car pitted along side Bruce Larsen's. Life does not get any better then that. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/50154-RESTCAM.JPG

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Tom here's a few more cars from the same era..

Polar Chevrolet (Minnesota) sponsored car. (Not sure who the driver is.) Courtesy of nitrogeezers.com, photo by Vern Scholz. (Notice the door blemish?)

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Polar also sponsored Jim Hodges Musicland Camaro (from the same series of photos by Vern Scholz). Notice there's no spoiler?

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Mike Burkhart is another possibility...
(Can't see door blem due to the cars paint, but the spoiler matches.)

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However, Tom did say he found the car in Illinois, correct?

Dekker was out of Colorado
Hodges and Polar Chevrolet, Minnesota
Huston Platt, Georgia
Burkart, Texas

According to the Dick Harrell website, he was in Illinois in 1967 and moved to Missouri sometime in 1968. Fred Gibb (one of the cars sponsors I believe) was in Illinois.

What are the chances of Tom's car being one of these others? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

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Here's one more of the other side of Platt's car. Notice the odd window set-up? The other Platt photos don't show this.

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Yet another Dixie Twister photo. Notice how the openings in the front valance appear to be cut-out?

(Also notice the '67 Altered wheelbase Camaro in the far lane?)

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Forgot about MB. From what I have read, his car was a twin to Dick's except for a working driver's door. Looking at him in the car makes it easy to see why the need for the door.

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Personally I like Jim Dekker's candy-apple red paint scheme the best. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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I wouldn't be too sure those were holes in the valence..More than likely paint..Wouldn't actual holes negate the oversize sheetmetal front spoiler all of these cars ran? The front spoiler I would think would help to keep air from getting under the car and creating unwanted lift. Same reason these cars sat very low on the track. Not to mention the front spoiler might in some way create downforce on the front end to keep nose down and an realtivly even although slightly rear biased weight transfer..

Race cars move around...wasn't ZL1 #1 at one point in TX or Fl?

As everyone can see there are quite a few 1968 cars that are very similar to Tom's car.

Was DH receiving any money or sponsorship from Fred Gibb in 1967 or 1968?

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I was reading on the Harrell site that Dave Libby stated the frame was not right because the cage was too high maybe the frame is for a cuda or a mustang.Quote "roll cage too tall for the body" Also the body quote "Body needs to be 3-4" lower" Please look at all of the cars on both sites. The front lower valance panel on Tom's car is level with the spindle!!! Look at the old pics and the new pics. There all the same height!!! I don't see any of the lower than the spindle. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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NO, Bill's # 1 ZL-1 was found in Des Moines ,Ia. Jim Cooper owned it. I use to watch in race at Eddyville,Ia I just about crapped when I found out in was the org. ZL-1. Des Moines is 149 miles from Laharp,Ill. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I'm sorry..I was going off memory..I thought the car had been campagined or was going to be by a guy owning a Pizza Hut and he was somewhere south..


What about DH and Gibb in 1967 or 1968???

It is interesting to me that the 1967 DH car is shown with a black top..I would think he would have used that color scheme as his first color scheme on his 1968 car. But if he did and Tom's car is "Car 1" as he puts it..no door..how can that be..Wouldn't his first Car have the door like the 1967 car, which I don't think is in dispute? Why go from "door" (1967) to "no door" (TC's car), then back to "door" (Car 2 in Tom's hypothesis the burgundy car)???

Also is it possible that DH painted his cars in the same schemes as Gibb (look at Lil Hoss) because he received money or some sort of support there..After all the 1967 car while carrying both "Courtsey" and "Yenko" sponsorship was painted and looked very similar to "Lil Hoss" red/blk top, and Tom's "Car 2" looks like a very similar paint scheme to ZL1 #1 which was certainly a Gibb/Harrell collaboration. I guess I'm lost as the only way I can see Tom's hypothesis working is if his car is the first car and it has a door (which it doesn't).. he thinks his is Car 1 as well, However there isn't a door and general common knowledge, he evens makes reference to it in a previous post..about MB is this door..So if the Harrell, Burkhart, and Kirby cars were from the same mold and were identical..Where is the door?

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-------Greg,,,Several posts ago you said you were done. Whats changed??? Can we please count on you really being done the next time you say you are???.........Bill S

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He owned a Pizza Hut in Des Moines, Ia. His dad Louie was a track offical at E-ville for years. Kim

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Jeff....see if you can dig up a 68 F/C in the Coke Cavalcade for me !

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Greg, or GS Carlson, please allow me to offer some observations I've made in watching this whole clusterf*#k unwind:

1)I have never met most of the guys on this site, including you, yet I feel like I can call them friends.
The reason why I can say this is that there is no sense of hostility that can't be resolved with more than a simple PM. I have never met you, yet I seem to already know you.
2) As Bruce (Xplantdad) pointed out, these are just cars, THINGS that guys like to talk and argue about, but at the end of the day, they are still just things.
3) As someone who IS heavily medicated, I am truly amused as to why all of this BS is so critically important. Like several people have pointed out, the cars are not for sale, so is there nothing else to talk about than piddly details of a car that was probibly modified on a weekly basis?
If the crew chief thought he could shave a 100th off his ET by using Turtle wax instead of Simonize, he'd do it. If he thought a grade 8 frame bolt would save a 10th over a grade 5 bolt, guess which one he'd use. They didn't keep a diary for future documentation for guys like you. They worked their butts off to shave a 100th off their ETs, so their sponsor wouldn't hire someone else for next years season.
4) I too own a COPO with no documentation. Its been discussed on this site, but not argued about. Why? Because I don't care that it's incorrect, incomplete, and poorly detailed. I drive it, beat on it once in a while, and enjoy it. It's not for sale, so nobody has seen fit to try and tear it apart. If anyone wants to come to Columbus to look it over, give me a call. I would be happy to show it off. If you want to rag on it afterwards, be my guest.
My medication helps to keep me from getting overly emotional. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif (Check my signature)
Did I mention that there are other things in life that are more important? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif
Tom Clary is a credit to this hobby, and he will be the last guy to let you down. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif
Thank God we have the freedom to waste time like this. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif
Andy

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But if he did and Tom's car is "Car 1" as he puts it..no door..how can that be..Wouldn't his first Car have the door like the 1967 car, which I don't think is in dispute? Why go from "door" (1967) to "no door" (TC's car), then back to "door" (Car 2 in Tom's hypothesis the burgundy car)???

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Greg,
The terms Car 1 and Car 2 were used to easily identify one car from the other, not to indicate which one was built first.

Greg, I don't know you and I have stayed out of this until now, but it becomes increasingly more clear with each of your posts that you are NOT trying to be objective and research a car, instead you are trying to discredit Tom's car as a DH car.

If you in fact think that you are neutral on the matter, I urge you to go back and re-read all of your posts, why have you taken it on your shoulders to question this so closely? What's in it for you?

I believe Tom has gone above and beyond where he "needed" to go to present why he believes his car is a DH car, and I for one believe him. You can't get away from the point that folks who were there have validated this car when it didn't make any difference to them one way or the other. Now that some of these same people have a dog in the hunt, they suddenly change their stories.

Greg, as Mr. Neutral, why don't you call them to task for changing their stories? Their motives should be clear to you from reading their web postings, why are you in support of them? Why, instead, are you challenging the integrity of the family who clearly has done far more than anyone to promote and preserve all these supercars?

I'm personally insulted by your insinuations and innuendos against the Clary's, you have stepped way over the line here.

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Yet another Dixie Twister photo. Notice how the openings in the front valance appear to be cut-out?.(Also notice the '67 Altered wheelbase Camaro in the far lane?)

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Also about the 1967 FC (Dicks 1st FC).. Look at the photos I posted. It is clearly a different car (body and chassis) than the 1968 car/cars.. What does the damn door and paint job have to do with the '67 car as compaired to the '68?? The '67 is a longer nose front engine setup that has lift off hood and poor fitting panels. It's NOT the same car as the '68 car. That's obvious.