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So other than that its the same motor?

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Dave sold out his collection of nice lo mileage TAs a long time ago. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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I would think the 69 RAIV bird should be top speed dog. It had the long branch manifolds & lighter body than GTO. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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How much lighter were the firebirds compared to the GTO's?

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Dave also bought 69 and 70 RAIV Judges brand new from the dealership I work at now, the 70 is long gone best I remember. But the 69 we believe was the one driven by one Danny Bell when I was in high school. Both were dark blue 4sp and beautiful cars. The 69 is rumored sitting in some ones back yard not far from here.

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My two other round port ride experiences were both cars owned by Mitch Adams, now dead. He had a regular RAIV 69 GTO that I rode in, just unbelievably fast!!!! I would say it was the most memorable passenger seat ride I have ever taken.

The second was a RAII 68 GTO that I drove for many miles, I liked it but I couldn't tell much difference from a normal D port car. Gary now has that one locked away.

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What are the quarter mile differences between the RAlll and the RAlV?

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Does anybody know if all 3 70 455HO Judge verts survived?If so what color are the 3 cars?

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One red/auto one w/low miles is around. It was sold here new in Pittsburgh. It's tied up in a collection, on east coast. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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The reason I ask that question was that years ago I was told that there were 2 cardinal red and 1 polar white car.Can anybody comfirm that this is accurate?

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You mention in a earlier post that there were 2 71 Judge vert 4speeds made.You said this info was in Thomas DeMauro's book.Well I could'nt find that information anywere on page 123 it give the normal #'s that we all know and a trany break down.The break down is for the HT's and Verts no break down between the two???Is there a different page that this information is on??

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HI, I was told that 2 were made. I was never into the 71s, so I never researched it. I've made myself aware of the 70 Judge RAIV converts, as I have one. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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When you mention that those #'s were in Thomas DeMauros book I was excited.Of couse I dont have the book as of yet I had to ask my buddys if one of them had the book.I got lucky and one of them had the book so I rush over to check it out.Thomas DeMauros book is one of the nicest books I've seen it has all the information you need about GTO's.Is your 70 vert red??I cant remember if I ask this or not but I'm going to ask anyways are all the 70 RAlV verts accounted for?

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I don't have access to the book right now, but I don't recall anywhere reading that 2 cars were 4-speeds.

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I read back to the older posts and I thought Judgerragtop told me that the info was in that book.I noticest that you suggested me to look in the book.I check it out but did'nt find any info in there about 2 71 verts being 4speeds either.It gives the trany break down but it does'nt break it down for HT or verts.

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Break it down or not, I can promise you they are rare. No matter if 6 or 10 were 4SP, apparently only two are known to exist. I feel priviledged just to have seen one, and this one in Tulsa is impressive.

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HI, yes my RAIV convert 70Judge is Cardinal red/white top. this is break down: 6 of 6 made autos, & 4 of 12 sticks known. There is another red 4spd, red int. no hood tach, very nice restored car. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Have you ever seen one of the 15 1971 Polar White With Black Spoiler Judges?I was honored to see one 5yrs ago in a car show in San Diego.

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Thats a keeper I guess your not getting rid of that any time soon.

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The breakdown of all the Judge ragtops are in the back appendix in the 1971 section.

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Thanks for the info I appreciate it I'll have to check it out later.Just in case I dont find it what page am I looking for?

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My book is in a different state so i can't help you. But in the back, there's stats for all the years in chrono order. Go to the 1971 section and you'll see the stats for all 17 Judges. It's easy to miss, but it's in there. Book also has color breakdown for 1971 colors - something that's never been published before.

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I just talked to Gary and he said the Jim Mattison had determined that there were 4 71 Ragtop Judges with 4SP by the PHS sheets he had found.

2-Red
1-Gold
1-Maybe white

And that one had been totaled shortly after selling new, possibly a red one.

Does this correspond to what is in the book you are referring to?

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The breakdown for 71 Judge verts is as follows and I believe it corresponds with Tom D's book.

<ul type="square"> Exterior, Interior, Top, Trans
1.Cameo White, Ivory, white, Auto
2.Cameo White, Ivory, white, Auto
3.Quezal Gold, black, black, 4 speed
4.Cameo white, black, black, Auto
5.Starlight blk, sienna, white, Auto
6.Aztec Gold, ivory, white, 4 speed
7.Special paint, ivory, white, Auto
8.Laurentian green, ivory, white, Auto
9.Tropical lime, black, white, Auto
10.Cardinal red, black, white, Auto
11.Cardinal Red, black, black, 4 spd
12.Lucerne Blue, blue, white, Auto
13.Castillian Bronze, Sienna, Sandlewood, Auto
14.Laurentian Green, black, black, Auto
15.Tropical Lime, black, black, Auto
16.Canyon Copper, Sienna, Sandlewood, Auto
17.Aztec Gold, Sienna, Sandlewood, Auto[/list]
The special paint car was painted a color that is close to 69 Camaro Rally Green. Ordered by a Florida dealer to pay tribute to Florida's state symbol the Alligator. It is probably close to being fully restored by this time. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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WOW I did'nt know that info was in this book I really have'nt taken the time to look through it yet.Do you know the color break down for the 70 vert 455HO Judges?

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Here is what the Gold 71 Conv 4SP has on it. Also it was delivered in NH, not Florida.

The Judge
Safe T Track
Radio PB
Console
Visor Mirror R
Belts Custom
Wheel Open Mld
Pwr Steering Var
Tilt
Mats Flr Rear
Pwr Windows
Pwr Bucket St Left
5PG Shocks R&amp;H
Lamp U/Hood
Battery HD
Hood Tach
4SP Clo Ratio
G70/14 WL
Deck Lid Control
OS mirrors Body Color
Mirror Visor L
Stg Wheel Formula
Door Edge Guards
Pwr Disk Brakes
Mats Floor Frt
Glas S/R All
Power Locks
AC
Luggage Lamp
Light Utility
Rally Gauge &amp; Clock

Sugg Retail $ 5.875.74
Date Shipped 2/5/71

Documents:
Protoco Plate
PHS
Original Dealer Invoice
Dealer Copy of Shipping Record
Build Sheet
Original MSO Title When New
Picture of Car Before Dealer Prep (I saw it, ver nice!!)

And the owner had bought replacement parts NOS for every single part of the car you could get (body and drivetrain) even though it didn't need it.

The crazy thing is he painted it light blue right after delivery.

Also saw a 71 455HO Orbit Orange GTO tonight in a old building, the body plate had - -.

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Kevin Suydam has/had/or got back the Red one???

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I'm taking off to my folk tomorrow for Thanksgiving so you all have a happy Thanksgiving and dont eat too much.

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Yes, plan on keeping the 70 raiv convert Judge.Just had my 70 raiv TA delivered, out of Sacramento.We have 3 little ones, all 5 &amp; under, so I hope they'll carry the pontiac "torch" https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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Thats what happen to me I grew up with a dad that was into Pontiacs.The family car was a 70 GTO he bought that new in Lubbuck TX.Couple years later he bought a 72 Lemans 4door bigger for the family.When I turn 21 he gave me the GTO and I still have it too this day.

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SDS great, I really hope our 3 little ones take interest. Who knows where prices will be 20 yrs from now! I have 6 cars, 5 being raivs, so they'll be off to good start. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Jeff

Lets see the car if you got a pic or two.

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You dont mess around 5 RAlV cars thats great.You mention that you have a 70 Judge vert RAlV and a 69 TA RAlV what about the other three?

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prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr to every1

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My newest project…. This car is nothing special, no Ram Air or HO that I know of. But what is cool about this car is the history to me. When I was in college back in the early 80’s, these two gear heads named Mike Frye and Mike Ward had dropped into school for one semester. I had already been there a couple of years and tried to adapt to my new social life, hence new clothes and no grease under the nails. So these two cats were out in the school parking lot wrenching their two 68 Firebirds, I was in shock. I had no clue anyone else at this school even knew what a car was. So I stroll up to them with hoods up and said man these are some sweet looking Mopars and what do they have, dual distributors? HAHA

We became best friends that semester and terrorized the streets at night, racing locals and eventually drawing the attention of a few other school students that had fast rides. Next thing you know people were bringing their hot rods back from home and it had to have been one of the most brutal street racing semesters of that school.

We all went our separate ways after that one semester. Fast forward 20 years, I ran into one of the Mike’s fathers and he still had his son’s car that hadn’t run since the 80’s.

I told him who I was and the history of that one school term, I now have one of those two Firebirds.

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I do have pics of the car but I have to find them.The problem is that I dont have a digital camera to send pics through the computor.The GTO is a 70 Baja Gold Sandlewood inter.tan top 400 350hp auto.

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Eric

The one you said was in Sweeden and now in Seatle, is that the 1 red auto car?

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442w30

The white car you said is in AZ now, do you know if it is one of the 2 white int cars or the black int car?

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For those of you that know how to read one of these build sheets, check out this Gem of a Judge.

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Sean Mattingly's web sight says this car was at the 97 GTOAA Nats. Can anyone verify it is the one of 17, and where it is now?

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