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Just a six pack...what - are you getting old?... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Because they were Yenko Deuces ! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

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I'm not old but Belair is, I still buy the kegs.

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Belair
I will have to go through my catalogs this weekend. I looked at the better pic of the car on the main page and the center caps are not bullet shaped but are like the ET "Super" wheels which caps were oval shaped with a flat top.The spoked of the wheels are also flat. Looking at the better pic I'm not sure if they are Rogues. Some 2nd tier companies made wheels like these in the mid '60's like Foresight Ventures, Durachrome etc.

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Don was paying them to do the changes to make them identifiable as Yenkos. Don't think he felt he needed the Hurst immage like the Hurst olds, or AMC Hurst scramblers. Cronkleton's blue deuce that was at the reunion is also a "Hurst Yenko". It's either the last, or 2nd to last built. Schonye

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I know I am getting hardning of the arteries, but I still don't understand what Hurst was doing with the Deuces. Did these cars go from GM to Yenko to Hurst then to a dealer? I was dropped alot as a child, so be nice. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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Steved...don't make me drag out the gay junkyard pics you posted !!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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Some went from GM, to Hurst, to the selling dealer. Some may have gone back to Yenko. Hoopers yellow deuce, sold from Yenko may have been slated to come back to Yenko for sale, not transfer to another dealer.We don't know about Cronkleton's as Ericksen's in Milan Ill. doesn't show up anywhere as a Yenko dealer. We know it wasn't a dealer transfer as the window sticker states Ericksen chev. S.

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Thanks Schonye! Sam

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Go on, let's see what you got.

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This has been discussed at length on other threads, so I'll try to give the 'cliffs notes' version.

All of the 175 Yenko Deuces were built in 3 consecutive weeks, but in two distinct orders. The cars were ready to ship to Canonsburg, but where was Don going to put 175 Novas in addition to his other new car inventory, his used car inventory, and his leftover inventory? And how was he going to convert 175 cars that had a more complicated stripe pattern than the '69's, needed a wheel change (not a wheel & tire change, just the wheels, so they all had to be broken down to reinstall the whitewall tires!), needed three holes drilled into the hood and install and wire the hood tach, install the emblems and door panel decals, and any additional options like sport mirrors, dual gate shifters, custom steering wheels, etc.... Think about 175 cars lined up nose to tail, and you can see where this can be quite a task. Don't forget that dealers were initially clamoring the for 'The Deuce' and they needed to be shipped asap. How many kids, local garages, spare employees, etc... could Don get to do this work?

It is our understanding that the entire second order of 50 Yenko Deuces were sent directly to Hurst in Detroit to perform this work. It was not a case where Hurst was trying to get into the Nova business, he was just a subcontractor to Don. To our knowledge, Hurst did not install his wheels on any of the cars, nor did any of them receive the 'HURST Equipped' badges when new.

When Hurst completed the conversions, the Deuces were either drop-shipped to the receiving dealer or shipped to Yenko in Canonsburg to await transfer to a particpating dealer. So, it's possible that some of the cars never saw Canonsburg, however, the MSO is still Yenko not Hurst, Kidder, or Douglass. The cars received an HYS-### stock number instead of the normal YS-### stock number to signify that the car was converted by Hurst.

The '67 Yenko Camaros were done similarly. Harrell did the conversions for Yenko, and those cars also may never have seen Canonsburg. If you have ever been to the original dealership, you will have a better understanding where 175 Novas won't fit!

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I agree the wheels on the orange car in the '71 photos could definietly be something other than Hurst Dazzlers. The rim doesn't appear to be wearing a trim ring either, it looks to me like it's chrome plated or highly polished aluminum. I don't think they're Keystones, at least not Klassics anyhow, so what are they? Who holds the original print of this period photo, I think it would probably be much clearer if we could see the actual print in person. This is certainly an interesting question I'd like to hear a definitive answer to. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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The original print was to accompany the car through successive owners, Mark should have gotten those pics when he recieved the car. If not, Belk was the person who initially received the pics from the original owner's family member.

I initially thought that they were Hurst wheels, just didn't have the trim rings installed in that pic. In the '71 pic it appears to have the rings.

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Just to clarify, I believe Belk kept the pictures with the car, and they may have since been separated.

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That's a cool tie in regarding the Deuces and Hurst. Hurst Performance in Warminster, PA was down the road from where I grew up. My father was an executive VP of First Pennsylvania Bank back then and met George Hurst. The Hurst execs had special parking spaces close to the front door, it was very common to see a half dozen Hurst Olds cars in those spots. Way cool that even the execs were into these cars back in the day. There was also a dealer down the street called Paul Oldsmobile and they sold a bunch of Hurst Olds. The Hurst plant is now a plastic tubing manufacturing plant I believe. There is an old Naval airbase across the street and word has it that a bunch of reject Hurst wheels and shifters were used as back fill when the base was constructing a runway. If I had a late build Deuce I would definetely put some Hurst wheels on it, The orange in the video looks great with them https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Double H plastics on Street Rd across from the Johnsville base.

I spoke to Campbell who ran the Warminster plant, and the deuces never came there according to him. In fact, the other Hurst involved cars didn't come there either for any conversion work. He remembers that the Hemi under glass would visit occasionally, but that was about it. They were a mfg plant, and apparently stuck to mfg. I think Dennis Kirban got a lot of stuff from the plant when they were shutting down.

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That was a sad day when they closed the Warminster plant. They had a side entrance for shifter parts and rebuilds. You could go there and get your shifter rebuilt for about $25.00. I had mine redone on my 69 Judge when I was 18. I did not mean the cars were converted there, it was just really cool to see Hurst Olds parked out front. Kirban lives about 2 miles from me and he has an extensive Hurst collection. I used to buy GTO parts from him and he had his basement lined with all kinds of Hurst and GTO. goodies. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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My appology to any I dissapointed by not getting the cars or myself to the Re-union. SORRY. I unfortunately had some family issues that needed my immediate attention and had to leave the country.

I do thank Tom, Rob, Dennis C, MrsBillyBobcat (Rita), Charley L, and the others of you who expressed concern and said some prayers. The good news is my Daughter was released from Hospital last week and my Grand Daughter Today! Hopefully all will work out just fine.

I can now get back to my Hobby "Fasttoys".

Thanks again for all the positive energy.

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Glad to see you back online, and even better to hear your family is recovering. I'm sure i'm not alone in saying we were all very anxious to see these cars and quite honestly, still are! How about posting some current pics of both.

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Jim and Dave are now required to bring cars to next years reunion or else......... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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I am going to help everyone out with this discussion of Mark's Nova and "THE GREAT HURST WHEEL DEBATE". (LOL, LOL)First, seeing as how this orange Deuce has had several owners over its life, as soon as Mark got the car home, he wanted to personalize it to his taste, and set the car apart from others. Knowing that this is a "HURST PREPARED" Deuce, I noted, that it would be a great new look for the car, if it had "HURST MAGS" on it. Take the "Hurst Mags", and add "skinnys" on the front and "fatties" on the back, giving the car a sweet "almost Day 2" look. Through Mark and our connections, we were able to track down a set of ORIGINAL 14x6 mags, that would fit the car. The mags were on a 1965 GTO convertible, the owner of the GTO was dying from cancer and sold the GTO, keeping the mags. The mags are original, NOT REPO (ORIGINAL CENTER CAPS AND TRIM RINGS) as there is a tremendous difference from originals and repos. We were able to strike a deal and the wheels were bought. The owner of the mags gave Mark ALL the paperwork concerning the wheels. He said he bought the wheels back in the late 1970's early 1980's from a "wheel guy". He had the complete instruction manual, warranty card, maintenance paperwork, etc. Not only was it great to be able to buy the mags, but how often do you get paperwork and documentation with them. Also the guy gave me the original "Hurst Equipped" badge. When you bought a BRAND NEW set of Hurst Mags, they included this emblem. If you noticed the car at the reunion, Mark had a lot of the paperwork on display, with the car. Mark's Nova already had a "Hurst Equipped" emblem on the deck lid, so it was neat how everything went together. I then cleaned them up and we mounted them on the Nova for the reunion. Mark is NOT trying to say that the wheels came on the car from Hurst, nor is he trying to say that "Hurst prepared" Novas had these wheels or "Hurst Equipped" emblems, on them from Hurst. All he is trying to do is personalize the car for himself and give the car a "Period correct" look. We were anxious to see what the "Nova Guys" thought about the new look, (we weren't trying to make anyone mad). When we pulled the car out of the trailer and Marlin came over with his paperwork pertaining to the car, Marlin said that he had pictures of this car from 1971, with WHAT APPEARED TO BE- HURST MAGS. (I would like to thank Marlin and his expertise on this car, Mark and I learned a lot.) The car in the 1971 picture had "skinny" Polyglas with mags on the front and and "fatty" Polyglas on the back. We did not know this, prior to this time. As Mark is still waiting on the rest of the paperwork for the car. Just the possibility that the car "COULD OF HAD" Hurst Mags on it in 1971, and now they are back on it again, (thanks to Marlin's incite) was awesome to know. It also appeared from the pictures that Marlin had, that the Nova was "Day 2" as soon as the original owner got it home. He painted the underside white (or what appear to be white), junked the original wheels and tires and in favor of mags. We know the car was sold new from "Marv Minimun" Chevrolet in Warren, Ohio. We also know that the original owner lives (and possibly still lives) in Cortland, Ohio. Cortland is about 25 minutes directly South from us. What I am in the process of doing is; tracking down the original owner, and ask him about the car (mainly type of mags he added, and what the car was used for. I.E. street racing and/ or drag racing). Like I said before, Mark is still waiting for the rest of the paperwork to come, if Marlin or Balc(-spelling) has the original owner's name, that would be a great start and save a lot of time on my part. Then maybe I could find out for sure, all the answers to our questions. Thank you for all your inquiries about the car, and many thanks to Marlin. The "Hurst Mags" are going to stay, irreguardless if the original owner states it had something else. They finish the car-and make it Marks' (even the Motion is jealous). Thanks again to everyone!!! Hope all the Pontiac guys don't get mad that the sacred "Hurst Mags" are on a Chevy-LOL!!!
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Just for the record, Its actually Marve Minneman Chevrolet, 4695 Mahoning Ave in Youngstown OH.

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Also for the record,the wheels did not come with a hurst equipped emblem. they came with a hurst hustler decal https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I hope there was no confusion on this 'debate', as at no time did anyone say that the deuces came with Hurst wheels or the 'equipped' emblem. This particular car just had a similar wheel on it in '71, and I really thought it was cool that Mark showed up with Hurst wheels on it at SCR7! I hope the pics show up, either Belk,Dominic, Kevin or Patrick should have them since that's the chain of ownership.

The person you need to talk to is the Horner family, I'll send you a PM with the details when I get a chance to dig them out. They are really nice people, and I'm sure will get some more pics for ya if the others can't be located.

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I think the confusion was that Hurst did something different on the 50 deuces that they finished out for Don. It doesn't appear that, that was the case. I think that it's cool that Mark day2ed it this way. Belk chased Hurst wheels for it for a long time. Just never found any priced reasonable.
I do know that car left MM new with headers on it. The original owner had them put on before he picked it up. They are now on my red Peck deuce. Schonye

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I like your Car Ken.
No need to call it names.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

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The old Canonsburg Yenko Dealership was too small even to operate as a normal Chevy Dealership so must have been very tight with additional work such as Don building/maintaining his Corvette race cars, and processing the Supercars. Don was also working on marketing a rear engine car called a "Scropio" in his dealer network in the late 60s.
In the new Yenko Dealership radio announcement, Donna Mae commented how they were tripping over each at the Canonsburg Yenko Dealership and the new larger RT19 Yenko Dealership was a welcome improvement in size.
I believe Yenko had to offload some of the car building labor just because it could not all be done at the Canonsburg Dealership due to lack of room and labor hours.

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While Yenko's lot at Canonsburg was indeed small, its important to remember that they DID have a rather large holding lot down the road on Strabine Street. The now famous "toxic waste" area.

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Scorpio?.... Hank Scorpio?

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Seeing as how I live in Ohio and you live in Pa., I think I would/should know where Youngstown and Warren are and what the difference is. For us "OHIOIANS", it is considered the same, general area (I guess I'll have to be more specific, for out-of-towners). Mahoning Ave is only 40-50 miles directly south of where I live, went to college there as well-Y.S.U. Don't get mad, just replying to your reply!!!LOL!!! Have you ever been to Kearsarge(-spelling) Pa., I mean Erie, I mean Milcreek Mall???- Just joking!!!
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So what your saying is, that when you bought a brand new set of Hurst mags, in 1967 or 1968 (anywhere in that era) from Taylor Pontiac, Geneva Ohio- you didn't get a "Hurst Equipped" emblem with them? I would beg to differ on this one. Or, are you saying "Hurst Wheels" did not come with that emblem- NEVER. (I swear, I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monica.) I know the "Hurst Hustler" decal you are talking about- real chincy looking, saw it on the back of a '65-15K original at the POCI Nats., but guess what-NO HURST WHEELS, NEVER HAD 'EM, (JUST A FLOOR SHIFT). Maybe Pa. Dealerships would not give you one-but I bet if "we" cried long enough, "we" could have got one, from the service manager!!! LOL- Because those dang mags cost sooooo much- "we" should get something with them!!!LOL I know, I would want one.
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Mark's Nova deserves these mags, probably better than any GTO on the planet. Due to the fact that the Nova, actually had some part of the assembly process done at Hurst. No GTO that I'm aware of was ever built or finished "AT" Hurst. Do you have a set on your "JUDGE"? -Or do you want to buy Mark's- sorry not for sale. "THE JUDGE CAN BE BOUGHT", but the mags can't!!! LOL Don't get mad, just having some fun! The JUDGE says, "NO BAIL"!!! Ram Air IV is still bad a$$, 370hp, sweeeeeeet!!!
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The person you need to talk to is the Horner family, I'll send you a PM with the details when I get a chance to dig them out. They are really nice people, and I'm sure will get some more pics for ya if the others can't be located.

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Looking forward to the info. Can't wait, it'll make a nice Sunday road trip. Thanks....again for everything!
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Also for the record,the wheels did not come with a hurst equipped emblem. they came with a hurst hustler decal https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Mark's Nova deserves these mags, probably better than any GTO on the planet. Due to the fact that the Nova, actually had some part of the assembly process done at Hurst. No GTO that I'm aware of was ever built or finished "AT" Hurst. Do you have a set on your "JUDGE"? -Or do you want to buy Mark's- sorry not for sale. "THE JUDGE CAN BE BOUGHT", but the mags can't!!! LOL Don't get mad, just having some fun! The JUDGE says, "NO BAIL"!!! Ram Air IV is still bad a$$, 370hp, sweeeeeeet!!!
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[/ QUOTE ] Greg, let me get this right, while Marks car has nothing to do with this,[Its a beautiful car] your saying its more deserving to have the hurst mags than any other gto??? What about the 65 hurst riverside pace car?? the 65 tiger gold hurst givaway car? any royal bobcat cars?,64 test car? BIll shultz ra v car?? what are you saying? Id rather se them on a true hurst car if anything. 70-72 ssj's,68-69 hurst olds even the swinger bee! Hell lets throw in the 70 1/2 Z28 sunroof car. If you read the hurst heritage book, theres no mention about anything to do with the deuces. And they show you some crazy stuff hurst was involved with. As for what your saying about the wheels, i never heard of any dealer selling them. you bought them at speed shops and other auto stores. and ive had a couple of new sets in boxes [later] and the early ones in the can and there was no emblem in with them! Did you know that emblem wasn't even made till after they stopped producing and selling the wheels? This is getting out of hand now. I dont know why everybody is blowing this hurst thing out of control. AND ITS NOT BECAUSE US PONTIAC GUYS ARE UPSET OVER OUR SACRED HURST WHEELS! Ive had hurst wheels on every car i own and yes they are on my judge!!!!!!!!!! Dont get upset! Im just having fun with this subject. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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AND ITS NOT BECAUSE US PONTIAC GUYS ARE UPSET OVER OUR SACRED HURST WHEELS!

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Hey...they weren't Pontiac wheels either...Pretty sure there are Hurst ads showing them on a Chevelle !!

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Fuzzbuster was the one who said "hope all you pontiac guys arent mad that your sacred hurst wheels are on a chevy" Bob. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif Can we talk about torque thrust now??

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No...lets keep talking about crappy Pontiacs !!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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What kind of wheels were on the giveaway Nova ad, you know, the one with the little slot machine picture? These wheels can go on any car!

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You know how to hurt a guy Bob. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif figured that would wake you up Don !!