Re: 69 Z28 Sold for $112,000
 

No the intake wasn't polished. Probably a Offenhauser with the name ground off then bead blasted.

Re: 69 Z28 Sold for $112,000
 

Was the '66 the Sunfire Yellow car? It looked nice and did not appear to sell above its actual value. I remember it being a Bloomington Gold car.

Re: 69 Z28 Sold for $112,000
 

Yes it was, nice car.

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Charley,

Did you take any pictures of the Z28 or do you know of any pictures?

Thanks

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No the intake wasn't polished. Probably a Offenhauser with the name ground off then bead blasted.

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That's what I was thinking. Grind off the Offenhauser name and cut off the linkage tabs then have Jerry M. reskin it and you have a look alike for a lot less than a GM intake.

Did this yellow JL8 crossram car have any documentation with it at BJ?

Re: 69 Z28 Sold for $112,000
 

No I didn't take any pics and I would never recommend anyone buy a car from this guy. He would never send a intake out when he could just grind and blast it and maybe paint it with aluminum paint to give it that perfect auction car look....oops

Re: 69 Z28 Sold for $112,000
 

Did the Yellow JL8 car have any documents at BJ?

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Here is part of a email I recieved regarding the Z28..... "Yes, the car is an original Z28 but, that is as far as it goes. The story about the car being redone as a custom is true. However, he lost interest and sold the rest of the car before completion. The kid did not try to pass it off as a JL8 car.

When the new owner started the rebuild he had someone examine the rear end and the brakes and was told it was a JL8 car. The restoration was finished and the car was offered for sale.

I had a friend talk to the kid's Father about the car as it was the kids Uncle's car. The Father was a mechanic specializing in brakes and suspension. He clearly recalls adding the rear end and the brakes with his brother. They were able to obtain parts from GM at the time.

The cross-ram must have been added in the last 6 month. It was not sold with the car. Also I am not sure if it had spoilers but they were added after."

Re: 69 Z28 Sold for $112,000
 

Wow!

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Charlie,
I would be willing to bet that if someone were to go back and check on Ebay the last 90 days it would be discovered that the several cross ram setups made by Offenhauser or whoever that were sold as complete units, one may have found it's way to the former owner of this car. The intake looked like it had a fresh bead blast with no sign of the Winters mark. I think I may have taken photos of the car, I have over 125 I need to download off my camera, if I have any I will post them asap.
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Re: 69 Z28 Sold for $112,000
 

Same seller sold a Crossram Z at one of the Auctions last year for big bucks that I think was the edelbrock with the name ground off. It had the fuel lines on the outside of the carbs but fooled most auction bidders. I'm sure every Z28 he sells from now on will have a crossram and it will be non GM.

Re: 69 Z28 Sold for $112,000
 

Charlie,

You are 100% correct. The carbs were new Holley production, and the manifold was also aftermarket.

Dollar value was not the issue on this car. The issue was the big $$$ pissing contest that these guys got into. Egos ruled on the block on this sale.

Otherwise it was perhaps a good mid $40K car.

Then again so was the yellow Hemi (318) clone that sold last year for $130+. Go figure. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Hey Phil, you look on TV! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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I have an Offenhauser SB Chevy crossram, it cannot be mistaken for the factory type because the carbs mount side by side instead of offset front to back, and it is cast in just one piece. I think that you need to start with an Edelbrock crossram to make a good fake factory crossram.

Re: 69 Z28 Sold for $112,000
 

Offy makes the both the side-by-side and the staggered 'factory' version.

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i agree, that deal was offered to me when i was going to take a car there last year, i kindly refused and didn't like them trying to force me into a low reserve. i will never, repeat never register or buy a car from BJ.

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i've looked on both offenhauser and eldebrock websites looking for the crossram intakes and never seen any? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Re: 69 Z28 Sold for $112,000
 

There was one listed on Ebay a couple months ago, It was polished and was missing numbers, Went for 1,700 bucks.
Sam

Re: 69 Z28 Sold for $112,000
 

so offy or eldebrock don't sell them anymore?

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Check out this research article at CRG on the crossrams. CRG Crossram Research

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There is a guy who sells the complete set ups with carbs and linkage on Ebay, he seems to have a never ending supply, I have seen three go in the last four months, he claims the manifolds to be new from engine displays in speed shops, carbs either new or rebuilt. They have been bringing $900-$1200. I have his Email address if you want to get in touch with him.
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Get a PAW catalog, They still sell the OFFY Z28 style crossrams with all three tops seperatly a 2x4--3x2 and a single 4 brrl top

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There is a guy who sells the complete set ups with carbs and linkage on Ebay, he seems to have a never ending supply, I have seen three go in the last four months, he claims the manifolds to be new from engine displays in speed shops, carbs either new or rebuilt. They have been bringing $900-$1200. I have his Email address if you want to get in touch with him.
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I tell ya, Since the original Manifold is a 2 piece unit it would not be very difficult to make a mold from an original and make your own...I wonder if that would be Legal https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif
Sam

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You can buy the Offy manifolds all day long at PAW. The base half is exactly the same as the GM manifolds except for the winters casting marks, The upper half is pretty close except for the Offenhauser name a 360 degree logo, some minor differences in the lip that runs around the top of the upper manifold, carb mounting holes for square bore and spread bore carbs and linkage ears on the top cover. The base sells for $225, the upper dual carb top sells for $120, and the linkage sells for $40. If your going to grind the linkage mounting ears off to make a replica then you don't need the linkage. The Offy manifold on the CRG site was mine.

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I have a OFFY setup with a pair of 450 CFM carbs at the house. Also theres a GM set up on the Team Camaro for sale section right now!!!