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Ask your buddy Butch...the fellow tried joining your group.
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good question denis! I was going to ask you about your new purchase. Our group must be too good for them? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif Roger
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Roger...read my post again...he tried to join "your" group (which I started btw)...but he's not too computer literate and had trouble sending in his trim tag pics and was denied access (from what I was told). This is not the first time that something like this has happened - as Denis can attest to with someone who just joined via his site. I forwarded that fellow's info weeks before he asked to join the group a second time. So, maybe it's not those seeking to join that think they are "too good". In fact, the fellow from WA is one of the nicest guys you could ever meet. He would be a real asset to "your" group.
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Getting back to Pace Cars...I was speaking with an original owner of one of the Canadian BB Pace Cars and he told me that he did not buy the car until June of 1968. I said, "You must mean 1967". He corrected me and told me the story of how the car sat in the dealer's showroom for nearly a year and no one wanted it because it was white. So, they painted it Blue in the Spring to match the interior and he finally bought it https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif
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Getting back to Pace Cars...I was speaking with an original owner of one of the Canadian BB Pace Cars and he told me that he did not buy the car until June of 1968. I said, "You must mean 1967". He corrected me and told me the story of how the car sat in the dealer's showroom for nearly a year and no one wanted it because it was white. So, they painted it Blue in the Spring to match the interior and he finally bought it https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif [/ QUOTE ]Hey... the guy in the auction for the modifed BB 67 Pace car http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2455837813 says in the description that his was painted blue when he bought it. I wonder if its the same car? |
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jg95z28...The HotRod Pacer on Ebay fits very well in with the vins of the April Norwood run..It's new to me and not on any lists that I've got...
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I'm wondering if someone will buy it and try to return it to original. Its got to be worth more as an original car than as a hot rod... wouldn't it? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif
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jg95z28...The HotRod Pacer on Ebay fits very well in with the vins of the April Norwood run..It's new to me and not on any lists that I've got... [/ QUOTE ] Actual, it is a Van Nuys car and fits in with those on the registry. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif |
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No Jeff, it is a different car. The one I know of is Canadian.
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Yea, yea, that's it. Van Nuys.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif
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Just couldn't pass up a chance to kick after you got the NOS Firestone! LOL!!!
Mike https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif |
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AS soon as I can scan it in. My scanner does not work with Win XP so I have to use a computer that I have with 98.
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That would be great..I'll appreciate it ..so won't that txindypacecar punk!
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Ron Tribble had three but I thought he sold one for big bucks.
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Ron T had 2 '67 Z's - one black and one green. A fellow who just missed out on my red/black Z asked me who I knew that had either red or black Z's. I told him about those that I knew of and he hunted Ron down and bought the black car. It is my understanding that Ron then bought another '67 Z Trans Am car. The fellow that bought my L78 is the only person that I know of that has owned 3 '67 Z's at one time.
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"I can vouch for what Mark is saying...since I am Canadian and my first Camaro at 17 was a Canadian Pace Car - and it was an RS - I've got the GM paperwork on the car to boot."
Mark, What does your GM of Canada paperwork on this car say after paint? Example: "PAINT: 1001HA - SPECIAL WHITE PAINT" Mark--Could you scan your GM of Canada paperwork and send it to me privately??? I'll show you mine if you show me your's?!? Matt and Tom--This could be your answer right here as far as the clear coat. Has anyone else noticed this? The Body Broadcast Copy printed in Incremona's old book on page 25 is from a Festival car and has ".." in the BODY COLOR space and 1001AA at the bottom. I have the 1967 Service News and they show a '67 truck color White RPO521 as DuPont code 817-L. Ermine White is Dupont code 4024-L. Maybe this is a brighter white??? The special order paint O-O orange cars that I have seen are what I believe to be the orange from the truck line, RPO516...DuPont code 31-L. Just a thought! May be worth looking into???!!!??? Tom--The Ermine White lacquer sample left here yesterday. Mike |
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No problem Mike, I may have to fax or mail it though as my scanner is packed away and I really don't have anywhere to hook it up. It may take me a few weeks to get down to those files as they are packed away also. I think I have all of the shippers for the Canadian cars also from a friend of mine up here along with a letter from the International Camaro Club stating the VINS (from what I recall).
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Mark,
Thanks! Then you should have the info on N236970, but either way I will go ahead and scan it and send it to you privately. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif |
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Hate to ask, but does anyone know if the Sears give away car was an RS?
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The code "1001HA" is interesting because this code is on the line of the build sheet with the other COPO codes on 427 COPO Chevelles with special paint. I have also seen the 1001 number with different ECLs on the end.
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Yep, seen 1001AA also. What year Chevelle did you see this on? And what was the original paint color?
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69 COPO/Yenko 427 Chevelles monaco orange and daytona yellow
Also the 68 Yenko Camaro raffle car had the 1001 number on it's paper work. I forget the ECL. I remember thinking the number was for paint but they decoded it as something else. The docs were shown in a magazine article. |
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Which magazine and do you have it?
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Things sound like they're starting to come together..Great work TEX....Let's figure all this out BEFORE I paint my car. Charley..surprised you were not piping up on this topic until I saw your BJ postings..I must admit it's a little disheartening to here of such scams out there.. Mike..Scott my paint buddie is looking forward to shooting laquer again in good ol' Liberal Massachusetts!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gifIt's not just beer..it's an adventure!
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Matt: I was rereading your post on the fleet codes and you are partially correct - the small block Canadian cars had no code but the BB ones had 095D after the dash...and yes, I have a picture of one of the tags, but it is not in digital format so I can't post it yet.
It's also interesting that the GM docs show the description of the car as "Festival Pace Car" and the paint is "1001AA - Special Paint". Why wouldn't these be "Replicas" rather than "Festival" cars? |
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Also forgot to mention there were 10 small block Canadian Pace Cars and 11 BB cars - all SB were identically equipped and all BB cars were identically equipped.
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In '67 and '69 the track cars were divided into two groups . . . 1) "Festival" cars that were for the Festival parade the days before the race . . . and 2) the 500 committee cars that were given to the 500 Committee members throughout the state of Indiana. Today they are still divided up into that, but all the pace cars are referred to replicas and only the original 2 or 3 actual Pace Cars are called and have the word Pace Car on them. This change started in 1995 with the Corvette Pace Cars . . . I am not sure if they have changed the lettering on the side of the replicas to say "Pace Car" or not . . . Any help here . . .
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I'm assuming from the film footage I have of the parade that the "Festival" cars got the gold madallion on the rear quarter panel (8 or 10 inch sticker)and the others "commitee"did not..The GM Canada paperwork is very interesting..Why were the cars sent to "GM show car account" Is that why they were built? Maybe for this racetrack that there is a picture of? If so were they all sold as used? Still remaining to be seen is the exact meaning of "Special paint" Blue stripe? Clear coat? or special instruction on a broader scale? The Gm paperwork Says right on it 'RS'..Why has it been so long for this to become common knowledge?Maybe checking your sources when you write a book (or magazine article)doesn't include the car world https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif
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Kurt: Was the 12th car shipped with the same group? If so, I'll recheck my shippers to see which one I missed???
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Not unless A. J. Foyt was living in Canada at the time. And that 12th car is not the same as the others, as it was a BB with A/C.
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No the Sears give away wasn't an SS or RS. It was a C1 coded convertible, with an "B" standard blue interior car with a 327/210HP engine and a 2 spd column shift powerglide transmission. VIN is 124677N209420, body number is NOR108681 and it was built sometime in early April of 67. It was delivered on 6/5/67. The "Official Pace Car" decals were on it when it was delivered and the promo pictures were taken but were removed before the first owner took it home.
Basically it was a pacesetter car that had a set of decals installed for a short period of time. |
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Thanks Mark...I looked at those shippers pretty closely and thought I had caught them all. That's interesting about the black tailpan. I'll check the local car to see if there are any remnants of the black paint showing under the Blue.
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Sorry Mark C, it went to Canada. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif
Yes, it was shipped later than the rest of the group. |
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If the 12th car was A.J. Foyts why did it go to Canada, or is there another car besides AJ's, making his the 13th car in the group?
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Mark, the picture I have shows the cars in line on the track coming towards me so there is no way you can tell if they have blacked out tailpans or bigblocks for that matter. There is a guy named Mike in Hamilton that has an original 67 Z28 that was profiled in the Toronto Star a number of years back. I went to see him a few years ago and he was restoring a BB Pacecar out of Vancouver. I wonder if GM of Canada has any photos of the 1967 Centennial Preliminary Events showing there 67 Camaro Pacecars?
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Tony,
I'd still like to see the picture, could you post it please? Mike |
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Hi Tony,
Thanks for the info. I actually grew up in Hamilton and I think I remember the cars you are talking about. The Z was White and came out of Niagara falls originally. It went to a dealer in Florida and then I lost track of it. I think the BB went south also. I didn't personally see the car, but the owner sent me pics and we talked on the phone. I recall that he wanted big dollars for them when he advertised them. Thanks again for the info and if you ever get that pic scanned, I'd love to see it. |
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