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Shouldn't the email from the high bidder be record enough that he didn't want the car.
James

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WOW! Musclecarkingpin, what did you say!!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif[/img]

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Well Kingpin,
I guess for being a NICE guy and giving the supercar community a Yenko on a SILVER PLATTER. This is what I deserve.You can BET that I will NEVER EVER give ANYONE on this board any info to anything i discover.Cause being the GOOD guy is a BUNCH OF CRAP.Did i know it was a GOOD deal,HELL YEAH.I was concerned that it was possibly another members car.I think it will be best that i sit back and watch from now on...Cause if this is the THANKS that I get for putting a unfound YENKO on this board.This just flat out SUCKS............. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Charley.gif[/img]

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That KingPin post was out of line, Brian. You've been a good sport about this, it sucks to have come down as such a revolting development of controversy. Wish it woulda been different for you, but out in the sunshine backfired this time. Sorry to see it happen that way.

SS

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Without trying to antagonize anyone, how good of a deal is it really? The price seems fine, but the closer I look at that car, for resto purposes, its just a tub, a subframe, and a VIN, Plus a couple grand of drag race swap fodder. There's a long, expensive road ahead for that car. All the COPO-unique stuff is gone, as is all the removable sheetmetal.

Now each of the principals in this story may very well have the capability to carry this task out, but I could easily see this thing passing through several eager-turned-disillusioned owners before it ever gets put together again. In a month, after the rush of discovery subsides, I don't think there will be as many eager buyers as there probably are at this moment. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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True, Tom...I was just chatting off-line with a guy, and we figure it's $125,000 by the time it's in the show ring.

SS

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As per Brian, I think he deserves an apology or two. After all, he discovered the car, shared his discovery with he rest of us, and ended up getting bashed over it, when all he was doing was trying to protect Kevin's/Mark"s interest, as Brian thought the car in question was their car. Hang in there Brian.

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Tom, after thinking about this for a while and rereading the whole thread I must say that it takes a HUGE pair of brass ones to ask anybody to apologize to Brian or Clint.

I like EVERYBODY else feels cheated and majorly jerked off by the whole situation that has unfolded today with this car. One of our members "it seemed" was the high bidder on a car that was reveled to be a real Yenko and "stole it" so to speak. Then out come the vultures trying to intercept this car before the high bidder gets a chance to collect his big win. Brian Potter made exactly 10 POSTS in this thread about this car and ONLY 1 of them mentioned Mark Hassett. I think that this next quote best illustrates the true reason that he posted about this car. When somebody posts a bogus thread about a Yenko found for $500 how do you think he would have posted about a real Yenko bought for $8300.00?

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I guess I should have kept my mouth shout.Then NONE of you guys would have even known of the car till I had it in my gargage."MOF"



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As for Clint he made 5 posts in this thread and not a single mention was directly made that he was not "Quickrod1" I along with probably most members thought that poor Clint was the high bidder and all these big bad people were trying to blow up his deal. Also Clint was asked 3 TIMES if he was "Quickrod1" and STILL has not answered!

I originally posted in this thread with the best of intentions. One of our members was getting to short end of the stick and I was speaking up for him. Tom I would have done this if the member would have been the new kid skierkaj or you! See you at Vette Fest in 5 days......

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Invested or worth?

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Tom, to the right person who already has the correct 427 and BE rear, it could be a great find. To be a $140K car, it will need a very extensive, correct restoration. But regardless, someone found a lost Yenko and it's great for the hobby. My thinking was that if I was lucky to even have the $8800 to buy it, I would never be able to have it restored without taking out a 2nd mortgage.

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Frank he did say he was not the high bidder and the high bidder backed out so that would make him NOT Quickrod...It's kind of amazing so see this car pop up and to think they still are out there....very cool find

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Frank, my reference to an apoligy was for name calling, "jackass" in this case. Regardless how we may differ in opinions on this board, there is NO place for that. PERIOD! Whether you, me or whoever.

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Yeah Belair that was Clints LAST post.

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Jeez Frank..maybe the guy has a life and doesn't sit in front of the computer like those Pontiac guys.

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I guess the old adage about there still being cars out there to find is true. However, personally I think it really isn't that good of a deal in the first place. Here is an interesting point that might not have been thought of. It appears that the car will need a restoration that will cost what the car is basically worth. Since the condition of the car and its' lack of the "pertinent" equip (BE rear, engine, all the COPO parts, trans, etc..) are going to have to be found, why would someone pay top dollar for the car in the first place when it is finished. I'm sure for the eventual possible asking price if the car is ever re-sold another more "complete" (read..more of that particulars cars VIN numbered/original components car can be had). My point is everyone will know the car is an "assembled," car either through scrounging the parts or ordering them from vendors. I sincerely doubt anyone in their right mind would do a complete NOS frameoff on this car, therefore it is going to be a "parts book" restoration. The purchaser can't re-list the car for sale without the people willing to pay 125k for a car knowing this. Therefore is it really a "good deal?" IMHO..."no" Still an interesting example showing "treasures" can still be found.

As an added comment about the auction itself..if Clint is "quickrod" or whatever the high bidder is then fine it is his car..if he isn't (again he hasn't posted he is...) and he realized that Brain was the next high bidder, isn't some integrity involved in not trying to buy the car until ALL ebay parties were contacted? Especially if Clint didn't even bid? Sure maybe for Ebay's purposes the "contract," is only valid with the ultimate "high bidder," but doesn't integrity come into play...If Clint is the high bidder, step up and say you are the person that is listed on Ebay as the winner..that would clear a lot of potential confusion.

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Greg with labor costing what it does I would think that if someone like Brian Henderson who could do it right bought the car he would PROBABLY have the right money in it.

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Tom,

Kenny P. and Brian P. are buddies and "jackass" is an endearing term between them [I believe], but you had no way of knowing. Even so, those endearing terms gotta stay off-line for fear of misunderstanding.

SS

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Thats a darn good perspective on it Greg.....

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Thanks Steve. Come to find out, that was the case with Kingpin as well. But, as I explained to him, and has been proven many times, it is not always possible to post things "tongue in cheek" and everyone view it as such.

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Great find. Bet the car has an interesting history [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif[/img]

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Ever notice how frequently that Sunday nite is "family feud" nite on the forum? It's the pre-Monday morning jitters, I bet.

SS

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THANKS FOR THE KIND WORDS LV. THATS THE TRUTH.

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Ever notice how frequently that Sunday nite is "family feud" nite on the forum? It's the pre-Monday morning jitters, I bet.

SS

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At least we're back to arguing about Chevy's again! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I bet the Pontiac guys are getting a kick out of this. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif[/img] But hey, at least it is Chevy supercar related. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

Dang Joe, you beat me to it. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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What a cool find its amazing they are still out there. The car might not be worth much more but I'm sure it could still turn hands for a good profit. I cant wait to hear the story of how someone tracks down previous owners and finds the original drivetrain sitting in the corner of the garage.

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This post has been a whirlwind today! Clint congrats on your find, hope it turns out great for you, and another possible Yenko find is great for the hobby and preservation of these great cars,but bashing each other over a car deal, when it can only cause hard feelings is absolutely insane, especially when you guys are going to see each other at shows and other functions for these cars! I think that Mr. Yenko was trying to look out for Mark Hasset's best interest when he thought the cars had the same VIN#'s, but I came across a website last night that really disturbs me and it should concern everyone else in this hobby,(www.trimtags.com), they restamp trim to your specifications, and they claim not re-stamp VIN tags, but if they can do trim tags, I know they have the ability to do VIN# tags, so what would stop them from or someone else paying these guys some big bucks to make these tags for a car, to say it was a Yenko, etc. What would the situation be if two identical VIN#'s show up for example for a Yenko Camaro and both cars are matching #'s, course one being a restamped block, and with all the right components BE rear,etc, but neither having the rock solid paperwork, as Mark Hasset's car does, and the VIN is the only thing to go on for a verification of the cars authenticity? For example I really want a Hugger orange black stripe,Black Vinyl top 69 RS/Z, with orange houndstooth interior, and I know that my chances of finding this combo, is like none to impossible, but when I find the right car, I will just change the interior to my liking and leave the trim tag alone and represent the car for exactly what it is supposed to be! This trim tag re-stamping really bothers me, and it should everyone else! I would like to hear everyone else's thoughts on this, thanks.

P.S. Lets keep this great site clean and supportive of the members and the hobby, no matter if you are a owner or enthusiast of these great cars! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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Guys with 60 people online right now (the most that I have ever seen online at one time!) I guess controversey is what brings them to the show! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Actually I think once the dust settles we will find out that indeed this was the only RA V Camaro Yenko ever built...and Jim Wangers rode in it to get lunch for Bill Knafel. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]

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You know, this might be the perfect reason to buy one of those good-parts-laden "clones" out there. A Yenko is reborn and a rolling forgery dies. Clint, have you called Wagner's yet to see about that brown car? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif[/img]

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JTH...Trimtags.com has been around for quite awhile and I'm sure there are lots of cars being changed with trim tags to match but making a Trim tag is Legal. Making or selling a vin tag is a Felony so I doubt if you will see them doing that.

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I don't think that they would re-create a VIN tag,but it still leaves doubt in some peoples mind, just knowing that the capability is out there and it could be done. I just hate to see it get to a point where people would come to you at a show and discredit a rare supercar, or not believe it to be the real thing unless you have all the paperwork, POP, and other documents all the way back to new or original owner. I was in no way saying that these guys at trimtags.com would do that, for all I know they maybe the most honest people to deal with,and would have the integrity not to do VIN tags to fake a car, I was just saying it leaves doubt in some peoples mind just the know that the capability,ability and resources are out there to do it. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]


P.S. I was just using that as an example, and in no way did I mean to offend anyone if I did so.

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From what I was told about TrimTags.com, you have to show some type of proof before they will make a tag. You can't just call and tell them you want a trim tag that has whatever info you want on it.
James

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I had restored a 69 L89 corvette with a rusted windshield frame and the vin tag was badly rusted (all #'s were still there) and had a new vin tag made at my customer's request. And the company I used to do it for me made every effort to verify the validity(SP?) of my request. First I needed a pencil tracing of the vin, second current copy of title and a written letter stating why I needed it signed by a notary public. After all that the vin was sent and was flawless.

Rich.

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Actually I think once the dust settles we will find out that indeed this was the only RA V Camaro Yenko ever built...and
Jim Wangers rode in it to get lunch for Bill Knafel.

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WOW, , , I leave this site for a day and a 6 page post pops up. Sorry I missed the beginnings, but the truth of the matter is . . . Never say Never, when it comes to finding something rare and special. My Dick Arons Camaro is a great find and I bet more are out there like it and this Yenko, as long as the VIN is correct when Clint gets out there.

Also, don't kid yourself, starting with and $8800 (plus shipping) Yenko, even in a clapped out, rusted bucket, from a junkyard, is WELL worth it. Finding a suited '69 CE 427 engine, BE rear, trans, etc. is easy with say $15,000. Then complete body panels and interior kit, etc. another $10,000. You will be less than $35K in a Yenko and well on your way to a nice restoration. Most restored cars are using new NOS parts anyway. I hope Brian gets a nice finders fee, Clint certainly has a lot of cash to spare with what he has (at least in the value of his purchase), if it turns out to be real, which I guess it probably will be.

Hey, Brian Henderson, can you call me at 770-592-6261 . . . Are you still going to the Vette Fest ?? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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From what I was told about TrimTags.com, you have to show some type of proof before they will make a tag. You can't just call and tell them you want a trim tag that has whatever info you want on it.
James

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Check out their site... They advertise you can add or remove options and change color and such!! If they will do that why would they ask you for proof of the old one? www.trimtags.com/faq.html Look for the question "How do I know if I need a TRIM TAG?"

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They will change color or interior color or trim such as standard/deluxe, but they want proof as they wont make a Lemans into a GTO, or an X44 standard Camaro into an X33 or X77 Z-28, etc, etc,. The concept they have is to allow an owner to replace a lost or damaged tag, or to change exterior or interior color. They wont make a plain jane into a musclecar if that is something that can be designated by the trim tag. I am not a big fan of what they are doing but from what I have read on other sites they are trying to not allow model fraud.
Thanks,
Motown [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]
P.S. I copied the following from their web site under "About Us";
Note: We don't have a problem changing paint codes, trim codes, convertible/vinyl top color codes, or option codes. We will not change "STYLE" numbers (i.e. convert Tempests into GTO's, Cutlass' into 442's, six cylinder cars into eight cylinder cars).

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Great find Congratulations [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img] to the new owner and a member of Yenko.net [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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Congrats,

Cool Find!

NEW [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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What a cool find.Congrats to Clint. I really like stories like that. I just don't understand some of the hard feelings. If someone really wanted this car and knew it was a Yenko they should have made an offer to the owner before the auction ended. Sellers can remove items for sale on e-bay before auction close. All the belly aching after the fact is in my opinion sour grapes if you know something is real and it is a deal you have to pay up before it is gone. The car is nationally advertised on e-bay and is fair game to who ever is willing to pay for it first. I am surprised this car lasted the entire auction, a lot of the rare cars like this and other musclecars end before auction close. I think that is great! A real Yenko for 8,800 with some hunting and prudent purchases you could be on your way to a a real nice car after it is restored. Who cares if the numbers don't match, a lot of Yenkos as well as other Super/Musclecars don't have their original drivetrains they were raced and thrashed on back in the day. Congrats again. There is still hope that some cool cars are not yet discovered.

This post was not in reply to the above post just my two cents.

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They will change color or interior color or trim such as standard/deluxe, but they want proof as they wont make a Lemans into a GTO, or an X44 standard Camaro into an X33 or X77 Z-28, etc, etc,. The concept they have is to allow an owner to replace a lost or damaged tag, or to change exterior or interior color. They wont make a plain jane into a musclecar if that is something that can be designated by the trim tag. I am not a big fan of what they are doing but from what I have read on other sites they are trying to not allow model fraud.
Thanks,
Motown [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]
P.S. I copied the following from their web site under "About Us";
Note: We don't have a problem changing paint codes, trim codes, convertible/vinyl top color codes, or option codes. We will not change "STYLE" numbers (i.e. convert Tempests into GTO's, Cutlass' into 442's, six cylinder cars into eight cylinder cars).


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At what point does an option code and a "Style" number get blured? Will they add an X11 but not an X33? Would they refuse someone wanting a tag stamped X44? Will they change interior color but not switch from standard to deluxe? I think they are being too liberal in order to make it as a business. They should require proof of ownership and doc's showing the vehicle as optioned from the factory. I have not done business with them but bet for a price they are just like Alice's Restraunt (you can get anything you want!)