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These are the reasons you need two cars.A very good friend and myself had the same problem.Both had cars that neither wanted to risk breaking at the track.We both decided to go partners on a car to race.We bought a muscle car,68 Road Runner,and beat the snot out of it.Neither one of us felt like we owned it! Drive it like you stole it brought on a whole new meaning.We built it right.It was still a money funnel though....This was a great solution to "our" problem.We did it every week.....If you "RACE IT" it will break.There is always a weak link somewhere,and you will find it when you least expect it.I lost three new motor mounts at the 60' with street tires(L-60 Inglewoods,remember?).Fan through the radiator,massive coolent leak,nice fishtail across both lanes missing both guardrails.What a ride........Anything is possible...Be careful.. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]


Steve [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif[/img]

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I went to a few pure stock drags back in the late 80s at Quaker City, Salem, Ohio. I remember a real neat 66 four door red Impala, 4-speed, 427-425 with all the paper work, matching number car. First run he ran in the 12s, second run he blew a clutch, later he blew the rear end. Sounds like a lot of fun to me!!!!!

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Yeah, I bet the "stickies" he was running didn't have anything to do with it, either. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]

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Rob, do you have the schedule and location for upcoming pure stock drag events? After seeing the roster of cars from the last get-together, I think I agree with you that this is a must-see thing.

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Factory Stock Musclecar Race: June 14-15, 2003
Pure Stock Musclecar Race: Sept. 13-14, 2003

Both EXCELLENT events.

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Been watching this post for dayz!!!!! I can hardly find time to catch up on the reading. I feel there is a place in this world for both types. I know some people think I'm out of my mind racing my cars, especially when they see them in person. Some just can't believe it, and that's OK. There is a place for the museum cars, and I don't hold a grudge against those that do that. Some limp off the trailer, and that's fine too. Everyone is differnet. For those that race em occationally [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img] For those that just show them [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img] If I just paid someone $60,000+ to restore, I would likely not want to race them either. It's your car, and you should do what your comfortable with. I hav'nt had my original cars to the track in a couple of years. I did have my orange car out Friday night, and had to take it to 6 grand a couple of times.... just to make it happy to be out! That is why I built up my white COPO car....to have some fun, and see how fast I could really get it to go. Some think I'm nuts, and some have a lot of respect for me. Just don't look down on me, cause I'm liking it and it keeps bringing up the COPO name in these pure stock drag races. Just trying to keep the spirit alive. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img] It's amazing the reaction of the boys in my sons grade 7 class and grade 9 class. These guys know what a 69 Camaro is, and want one, and I think that is important for the future of the hobby!
Peter

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Pete,you have the right idea! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img] I'm sure the white car takes some of the abuse/fun away from the others.Sort of a purpose built machine....Love it!

Steve

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Why race your supercar-- I think the movie is coming out soon!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Thats what makes this forum the "best". Everyone is passionate in their beliefs but most people here understand how the other guy feels! And the combination of these passions will keep this hobby strong! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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Showing them off on the Street and Strip. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

I think the overall opinion, "racing at the track" about scares everyone. What was the first thing your mom said to you when you went to race a car at the track? You are doing WHAT? YOU'LL KILL YOURSELF. So you sneak off to race on the street instead.

For those of you that show your cars, please had over your motors. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Your car will look just as good with out one as with one. I'd love to drive a big block, doesn't even have to be in a COPO car. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Thanks Reynolds! I thought I had a chance with T.Bill - but then you joined ranks [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I see both sides, but isn't just a whole lot more fun to race 'em? I think those guys who have hung up their racing should share their tips and secrets with the rest of us! I don't care what people think of me for drivin/runnin my car, it's downright fun!

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As per taking risks, I guess I should not mention that my youngest son took the Yenko Camaro to his high school prom the last two years. Talk about stepping back in time, two teenagers, all decked out, arriving at the prom in a 1969 Camaro. Needless to say, he was the envy of his friends. Rumor has it he "showed out" a little. Must have got that from his mother. Right Rob [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Besides the thrill of driving/racing, the exposure/attention we have received has been kind of neat. In the 6+ years we have owned the Camaro, here is some of the coverage it has recieved. 2 page pic in SC of it racing Mark Kickle's hugger ornage Yenko at SCR1, cover of Muscle car Review doing a burnout at Pure Stock Drags, (set sales records), pic in SC doing a burnout at the FBody Gathering, pictured several times in MCR participating at the Pure Stock Drags, part of a feature on COPOs on Speed Vision, part of segment on SCR on My Classic Car, pictured on newest JL diecast, scheduled to appear Yenko poster/drawing. I am sure there are others, but these are the ones that come to mind. And the reason? Certaintly not because it is the nicest or most correct one out there, far from it, but because we are not afraid to drive it. And hopefuly, once finished, our Nova and Chevelle will receive the same. I realize some owners do not enjoy this kind of attention, but we kind of dig it. And, I think is has helped educate the public as per what these cars were/are about.

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Tom,to your youngest son [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif[/img]
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Tom , my youngest son took my rs-ss camaro conv't with 41 opts to home coming in 1991 I was more afraid of him driving around town than i have ever been on a race track. The thing about a race track is the car is teched and checked of safety which i don't know about the idiot on the street. Give me the track any day compared to the street.

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I'm one of the new kids on the block when it comes to this forum, but I've kinda been hanging around because it seems no matter how a topic keeps going around in circles , mostly everyone seems to find a common center..---Very REFRESHING. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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Somebody point this poor guy to the Douglass topics [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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To be honest I would be scared of blowing it up. Then what is it worth?? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]

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Kim, That is the parent in you. We can protect our kids from a lot of things, but not idiot/drunk drivers. Just yesterday I visited with the mother/sister of the 18 girl who lost her life due to a drunk driver (BAC was over .300). [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif[/img]

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Somebody point this poor guy to the Douglass topics [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Took a quick look------WOW!!!---Talk about take no prisoners---------- That's O.K.--as long as they can't reach thru the computer screen and punch me!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]---Can they?? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif[/img]

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It's always good to hear other perspectives and opinions on certain subjects.

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JoeG;
Even with 6+ pages of sometimes heated dialogue, everyone agrees that the Douglass cars are a very cool part of the SuperCar hobby, and have a lot of mystique about them. I believe we all respect each other's opinions, it may not always appear that way in a given thread but in reality we do.
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GOOD GROUP--- [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]--Gotta get back to work [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif[/img]

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To be honest I would be scared of blowing it up. Then what is it worth??

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To me, it does not matter. I will fix what is damaged and go on. I own these cars to have fun, not the $$$. If it were about the $$$, I would sell out today.

I compare it to investing in the stock market. If you can not afford to loose, best not play. As valuable as the cars are today, a change in trends, a uprising in the Middle East (no oil), whatever, could change our hobby and the value of the cars in a heart beat. The cars could depreciate just as fast, or faster, as they appreciated.

The supercar hobby is what I do for fun, my hobby. As long as it is fun, I will continue doing it, if not, I will move on to something else.

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I just found this topic and I have got to say that to question wheither you should race these cars is silly. It was said early in the post, if you want an award winner, buy a cheap, low option, underpowered, paperweight and dump a pile of money on it. I understand that some of you guys are playing with lower production numbers than I am, but you have to understand why these cars were so popular: they would go like stink down the quarter mile! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img] Rob and I had a lot of time discussing lifes little events as he was hauling my car with the 'Yenko up to Martin a couple of weeks ago and we came to the conclusion that sheet metal can be straightened and motors can be rebuilt.

Some of you are asking what this a-hole is doing commenting on this topic. I have a '69 Hurst/Olds with 39,000 original miles on it. When I purchased it in '95 it had 24,000 miles on it. When I was hauled up to MI, it was only the 4th time the car had been hauled on a trailer since I have owned it. I had to drive over 200 miles to make the point so I could have the car trailered up. I had to drive over 200 miles to get back home after the race. On the way back home, the passenger glass was busted out by a rock thrown from a semi as I was passing him. I am not going to stop driving the car because of that incident. The local drag strip announcer comes to life when I go up and do my burnout. I am doing with the car what I want to do. COPO Pete has the correct idea, a restored car is not correctly restored until it can run a number down the drag strip! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif[/img]

If you are afraid of blowing up an original numbers engine, pull it and put in another bullet. The real one will sit in the corner and be fine as you thrash the crap out of the "cheap one". Build it like you want, drive it like you want, but keep them going no matter what! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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Yea! What he said [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Well, if you're gonna put in another motor to run it, why not just build a clone from a 6 cyl car and run that? There are valid arguments for both sides and my biggest argument why I won't be racing my car is because it won't be covered and I'm not a wealthy person. I'll be driving it, but not racing it.

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Since I don't own one (yet), it's probably not fair for me to say that I'd race and drive it for sure, but I think I would.

It seems to me that car guys and gals tend to get equal amounts of enjoyment out of finding, building, restoring, showing, driving, racing and even just talking about their particular pride and joy. But even more so, is the pleasure each of us gets from seeing the general public's excitement when they see a car like they dreamed about in 1969...

With regards to insurance for these vehicles, I can speak to issue, as it's what I do for a living. The deal works as follows:

Virtually sll standard insurers (American Family, Met PC, State Farm, etc...) WILL NOT cover these cars for anything in virtually all situations, whether being drivin on the hwy or track. Or if they will provide coverage it's on at a level I'm confident wouldn't replace a NOS hood. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

There are however a number of specialty insurers for collectible car use on a limited basis (usually by an annual mileage limit). This coverage is provided on an agreed value basis, with a known appraisal and numerous amounts of documentation. This coverage comes with a pretty fair price tag, depending on the value of the vehicle, but will resolve many of the insurance concerns raised so far.

Believe it or not there are alos insurers that will provide 1/8 and 1/4 mile competition insurance for cars [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif[/img], as long as the vehicle is no faster than 8.50 seconds (1/4 mile). This coverage is offered with a fairly high deductible, but will provide coverage for controlled drag racing events. There is no street use coverage under this policy.

The one issue that everyone seems to agree on is that the owner of each car should enjoy it as they see fit. These cars represent a great deal of financial investment, not to mention the blood, sweat and tears associated with the restoration of them.

I hope this doesn't stir the topic too much more. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

Blair

1970 S/G GTO
1967 Chevelle

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Tom,

Well said, you are my hero. I can not wait to have one of my sons at the track with me, maybe this summer yet.

For the others in this discussion, I must add that I have at times been a bit intimidated to race my car, however, that said, once I started, I must admit it is a gas! I do not believe I would have much of a desire if I cloned another car to be Fred's 1st car, and then had to do some explaining to the folks at the tracks. Just wouldn't seem right. I like sitting in the real thing.

Anyway, it really isn't the cars, its the people involved with them.

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I stood on my fathers 427 air cleaner when i was just a lad. He was kind of pissed at me.... that was about 1972 and it was from his 63 galaxie r car. The rides I got in that car lit the fire i feel today. If you keep packing these cars in museums their legacy will just become some old stories.... Eventually, the only enthusiasts that will care about them will slowly die off. After that the value, and finally, the fun. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

jay b.
70 L78
63 galaxie 406