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NorCam 07-28-2020 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by napa68 (Post 1508573)
This my friends........is where project creep begins! Before you know it, there will be a properly dated 302 and M21 sitting beside it all!

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Billohio 07-28-2020 04:14 PM

Loaded up car, very nice

NorCam 07-29-2020 03:03 PM

Did OK locating some good parts for the car over the past few days. Found an original yellow bumper for the front end and this is great as the frame already had the inner Endura brackets mounted to it when I pulled the front bumper off. The bumper will need a few repairs but should work out great for this car once it's prepped.

Big thanks for Jeff M. for hooking me up with a front bumper. :youguysrock:

https://i.ibb.co/x8TgNh6/IMG-1609.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/whWHrG4/IMG-1608.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/C60XtrY/Endura-3.jpg

NorCam 07-29-2020 03:08 PM

Rob R. was also kind enough to reach out with a few other parts that were needed for this car. A nice pair of original 418 covers, a nice 309 master cylinder, and another neat little item for the cause. It's starting to come together.

Thanks Rob!!! :biggthumpup:


https://i.ibb.co/GVLKy2t/71-E16775-D...F78-C2-AB6.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/HtWzD4R/F9192545-5-...06-C2-D329.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/T4XjhFR/C6-B32-D1-E...20-B9-C378.jpg

NorCam 07-29-2020 03:54 PM

And here is the last of the recent parts finds with some NOS GM trim pieces, original GM brackets, and some old day 2 style 8mm Super Stock plug wires. I think I have all the exterior trim covered with a lot of NOS parts to dress the body after it's painted. I also found a nice Rosewood Wheel today and will now continue working to find a 69 tilt column and some deluxe seat belts to round out the inside. Feels like I'm going a hundred miles an hour here but I still have a long ways to go. Thanks to all those who have been sending info on parts. Much appreciated.

Big thanks to Bill R. for a lot of these NOS parts.

https://i.ibb.co/JqgpHt2/IMG-1627.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/gZg6YpY/IMG-1626.jpg

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Bernhard 07-30-2020 02:24 AM

The 12 bolt axle tubes appear to have been tack welded to the housing at some point.
Very cool build thanks for sharing.

rlw68 08-01-2020 01:26 AM

D&R has the tilt steering column...

https://www.drclassic.com/catalog/Ca...reParts/Z50138

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NorCam 08-01-2020 03:36 AM

Thanks Rob. Looked at that one yesterday and did call D&R to inquire. Turns out to be a generic rebuild type. The guy on the phone kept describing it like this "well, we like to call it an OE type column for 69-74 cars". That call ended fairly quickly. lol Also checked with Jimmy at HBC and they use a similar column from a typical rebuilder service, and theirs had a locking ring with no cover at all. Good news is that I may have found a correct one and will have some more details on that after the weekend. I did locate a nice Rosewood wheel and have a couple coals in the fire with the hunt for some deluxe belts going on too.

Looks like a plan is coming together now!

NorCam 08-01-2020 01:13 PM

As an update, I think I'm close to deciding on some new interior fabrics being ordered from SMS and rebuilding the front buckets using their vinyl and HT fabric. Very close color match and good quality materials. Once I've cleaned the rear seat covers I'll have a better idea of everything and will decide exactly how much material will be ordered and what will need to be recovered.

https://i.ibb.co/QF3mc13/C-Option-SMS.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/p14DtRN/A-Option-SMS.jpg

Ryan1969Chevelle 08-01-2020 07:47 PM

SMS!!!

Great material. (Full stop)

Ryan W31

NorCam 08-03-2020 03:54 AM

Just spent the last 4 hours writing a long but informed letter to the original owner of the Yellow Z/28. A Mr. Paul Gluck who's son I spoke with earlier tonight. He asked me to write his father who has some fond memories of the Z/28 and share with him the plans and known history of the car. I can imagine the surprise when his son told him I reached out to talk about the car. His son told me that it was thought the car was totaled by the guy who bought it from him back in 74. It was then said that as soon as the second owner got the car, he pulled the 302 and dropped a built 327 into the car and immediately blew it up badly. Knowing what I know of the car now, this is when the clutch exploded and the damage to the front tunnel and firewall happened?

I wrote a 4 page letter to Paul this evening, shared a few pictures and told him of my plans for the complete restoration of the car. I also shared a link to this forum and hope he will someday chime in to say hello and share an anecdote or two of his memories with the car. He was in fact a Jet Engine Mechanic with the USAF stationed out of Minot in 1969 and later returned to Texas where he has lived all of his life. I was told he loved to drag race the Yellow Z back in the day, and knowing the 302 was later pulled from the car, perhaps there is a chance I can back trace that motor and maybe reunite it with the car at some point? I'm sure he'll be surprised when he see's the length of what I wrote tonight, but wanted to bring him up to speed with what I have now learned about his old car. It's great that the original bill of sale accompanied the car back in the day, for if it wasn't for that being found with a former owner this past week, I may never have known who the original owner was, or managed to make a connection.

Respecting his privacy, I'll be sure to ask if he's OK with me posting a little of what I come to learn about his early days with the car. So cool to have connected the dots, and hoping he chimes in here to say hello and share a story or two of his own.

Feeling really stoked here tonight!

NorCam 08-03-2020 05:01 AM

In other news, I found a few more of the missing pieces needed for the restoration. This includes parts now known to be on the car when delivered, but missing when the car was purchased. Knowing it went through a number of people throughout the 80's and into the 90's, it's assumed some of the former owners swapped in some parts and took some unique pieces to further their other endeavors.

Thanks to other members of this fine venue, this weekend I managed to secure an original tilt column, Rosewood steering wheel, completed a full set of deluxe original seat belts and found a few more unique NOS parts for this 69 Z. I also stripped the 12 bolt diff today and it will now start being rebuilt this week. It still has 373 gears in it, but looks like someone changed them out for a set dated 5 of 70. The back cover also showed some signs of a ring gear bolt being chewed up and mulled between the ring gear and the cover at one point. I'll go through the carrier and the gears while it's being restored to ensure it was rebuilt after the fact. It all looks good at this point.

https://i.ibb.co/qMc1qWQ/IMG-1696.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/ckG6wY9/IMG-1671.jpg

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Z28Project 08-03-2020 01:49 PM

As if the car and the parts you're gathering isn't cool enough, all of this connection back to the original owner is really over the top!! Unbelievable! Congrats!

Zedder 08-03-2020 02:14 PM

That is awesome! That last name, Gluck, rings a bell with me for some reason?

1967Z28 08-03-2020 03:20 PM

Nice story and great research on the past history. Looking forward to your further progress.

X66 714 08-03-2020 05:34 PM

I see the pattern on the black/white seat cover is more like "B" from SMS where the yellow on your covers match "A". My yellow matches "B"....Joe

NorCam 08-03-2020 06:16 PM

The B sample from SMS is a straight vinyl product with a stamped or colored (if you will) pattern. It's really cheap feeling and I could not imaging someone using a stamped vinyl to portray a fabric finish. The SMS fabric (A) is almost 2x the thickness of the Al Knoch material and the color is actually spot on when compared with any virgin material color such as in the folds and in behind the buttons.

In direct sunlight it looks brighter when held up to the fabric, but one is old and dirty while the other is new so it's not a fair comparison. Once held up against the button hole (Pic 3 centered between my middle and index finger ) it really is an excellent color match. I'm going to order some material from SMS tomorrow and completely rebuild both sets of seats and the rear side panels in their yellow vinyl (C).

https://i.ibb.co/zxbh9NL/A-Option-SMS.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/cvnhWnF/In-Sunlight.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/KKkyhqx/VS-Button-Fold-Colors.jpg

NorCam 08-06-2020 02:18 PM

Covid has created some delays in being able to get some parts picked up and shipped across the Can/US border, but I finally got these little gems into my possession thanks in large part to Bergy. The kit includes most of the parts required to plumb a complete LTC option back into the yellow Z and will become one of my focus attempts to complete it as per the factory instructions supplied. Being that I have now learned of (2) Cdn Copo's and at least (1) US Copo having had the LTC option, I would say this Daytona Yellow Z/28 was in pretty good company with regards to such a unique option being factory installed. I received the parts complete with a case of NOS refill cartridges. Simply outstanding I must say!!!

Thank you Bruce!!! :beers:

https://i.ibb.co/t2QDvPC/IMG-1717.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/Bf2Xj82/IMG-1719.jpg

NorCam 08-06-2020 02:28 PM

I'll need to restore the canisters and create a couple new labels for them but that's easy enough with my son being the graphics designer. Most of the hoses and the clips are here c/w the dash mounted switch. Once the canisters are fully restored and installed, I will delve into the schematics to ensure it's all plumbed into the engine bay as per factory spec. The display case of cartridges will only be used to accompany the car for some shows when it's finished up.


https://i.ibb.co/pdN96c0/IMG-0859.jpg

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https://i.ibb.co/VYNJx7Z/Liquid-tire-chain.jpg

NorCam 08-06-2020 05:52 PM

Went out to cut some grass and by the time I came back in, my son had recreated the artwork for the cannister decals. One is new style, and one he created to have a vintage or aged look. I like it.

https://i.ibb.co/K7Fdq4z/AC-LTC-Logo-Old-Style.png old vs new https://i.ibb.co/1X7Hbzx/AC-LTC-Logo-New-Style.png

ZLP955 08-07-2020 02:36 AM

Great job by your son, looks awesome. Was that scanned from the photo and then adjusted to compensate for angle?

NorCam 08-07-2020 03:37 AM

I found another image of a canister with a clear looking label and he imported it into photoshop studio to do his thing with it. I think he cleaned up he logo and reset the text to get the resolution needed for print. He also got the color where it should be to match the original color used on the dispenser cans.

Z28Project 08-07-2020 03:49 AM

Nice to have the younger folks around that can do that stuff!

NorCam 08-07-2020 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Z28Project (Post 1509704)
Nice to have the younger folks around that can do that stuff!

Chip off the old block this one is. I taught him a little about graphics and image editing and then he took off with it, He's top in his school with digital media and has now become a whole lot better than I've ever been. Also glad he has taken to cars as he has. My other boy has zero interest in cars but sure love trains, planes and engineering.

ZLP955 08-07-2020 06:20 AM

Sorry if I missed it in any recent updates, but getting a vibe you're now doing a stock restoration as-delivered, or are you still targeting a day 2 theme?

NorCam 08-07-2020 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ZLP955 (Post 1509710)
Sorry if I missed it in any recent updates, but getting a vibe you're now doing a stock restoration as-delivered, or are you still targeting a day 2 theme?

No Sir Tim.

Day 2 is still the plan but with an emphasis on the car returning to bone stock should the original motor be found. It may still be out there since it was pulled in '74. For now, it's getting the solid roller small block, M23 transmission and some rear end upgrades. It'll be jacked on the rear with 50's, have a set of pie crusts up front, receive a host of sun gauges including a pair on the cowl, a vintage ignition, vintage Hurst line loc, vintage rear air lift, vintage slappers and whatever else I can find between now and when it's completed.

I'll chase the second/third owner and the original motor if I can find out where that was and keep a glimmer of hope the motor may still be sitting somewhere. The same goes for the transmission from the car. If either of them are found, they may be reunited down the road. For that reason, most of the car is being restored to look original and that includes the body and interior. Should look like a well optioned Z/28 on steroids, but easily returned to stock if needed.

Z28Project 08-07-2020 01:46 PM

The way things have gone so far on this one, wouldn't be surprised if the original engine shows up in your driveway at some point. :)

Jonesy 08-07-2020 02:32 PM

Loved this car when I saw it for sale. My favorite color combo.
Looks like a great timeline of events that have been happening.
Original invoice and pics of it. Just amazing!!

Chuck_Burg 08-07-2020 02:39 PM

Seems like this car has been a day 2 car forever.... someone blew up a clutch and ravaged the tunnel with a high strung 327 for cryin out loud. There are so many stock z28s out there. When is the last time you saw a perfect day 2 Z?

NorCam 08-07-2020 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck_Burg (Post 1509751)
Seems like this car has been a day 2 car forever.... someone blew up a clutch and ravaged the tunnel with a high strung 327 for cryin out loud. There are so many stock z28s out there. When is the last time you saw a perfect day 2 Z?

OMG you couldn't be more dialed in on that Chuck. What is better is that I decided weeks ago to look for original 8.5" Ansens, TT's or Fentons for the back of this car, and something narrow for the fronts. While the hunt for some nice magesium or aluminum rims continues, Paul Gluck (original owner) sends me this photo about an hour ago.

This is Paul standing in front of the car back in 1970 after he installed a set of Ansens on the Z. How ironic is that? I mean it's like it is supposed to happen this way. Same exact look I was shooting for and great to know it was originally that way back in the day. I was just showing this to my wife and commented on the t-shirt being Edelbrock with some classic decals in the quarter window, and my wife said...love the pants too! Looks like Goodyear Polyglass with L60's on the rear?

Totally cool picture and hoping Paul finds more like this.

https://i.ibb.co/3y5WZmK/Gluck-1970.jpg
Photo courtesy of Paul Gluck. Original owner 1969 - 1974

X66 714 08-07-2020 06:06 PM

Those pants were very stylish then. Big bells were better. You have to find some :) I'll look in my dad's closet....Joe

Zedder 08-07-2020 06:10 PM

Nice! I’d do it exactly like that and then get pants and shirts like that for you and the previous owner and take some pics! ��

Chuck_Burg 08-07-2020 06:15 PM

You're going to need an Edelbrock Tarantula intake to match the shirt... Paul is awesome! Those Polyglas GTs look great on that car. Did he have air shocks?

NorCam 08-07-2020 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck_Burg (Post 1509767)
You're going to need an Edelbrock Tarantula intake to match the shirt... Paul is awesome! Those Polyglas GTs look great on that car. Did he have air shocks?

I'm looking for another TM1 (tarantula) intake right now. I had one lined up but the guy has been slow and getting back to me on it. Needless to say if he fails to deliver I'll find one elsewhere! I ran one on the little day 2 Nova and it was a great intake for a small block.

Paul told me he raised the front end up 3" and remembers the back rims and tires were wider and they were mounted on 8.5" Ansen's. I can only assume he had air shocks on the back. Here's something funny he just shared in a text just a few minutes ago.

Quote:

I traded the car in 1974 to McDavid Pontiac in Fort Worth when my wife told me she wasn't going through another pregnancy in Texas without air conditioning. She drove the car to work everyday, and he wound up trading in the Z on a 74 Grand Prix. Sad Day he said!

NorCam 08-07-2020 06:47 PM

Here's another funny one. In 92 I built this solid lifter 500hp Z/28. Daytona yellow (stripes weren't done right) and I drove it to work every day. My winter beater is seen just off to the right...and get this, it WAS a 74 Grand Prix. What are the odds?

Paul and I are 20 years and 2500 miles apart, but there's only 2 degrees of separation!

https://i.ibb.co/gVkmbgt/Yellow-Z-1992.jpg

Chuck_Burg 08-07-2020 06:56 PM

The stories just keep getting better and better, I think it was meant to be! I loved the Day 2 Nova.... I would've loved to have it but I already had the 67 and the parts hoard to go with it.

ZLP955 08-07-2020 09:11 PM

Meant to be......yes, spot on. This one's a keeper!

NorCam 08-07-2020 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ZLP955 (Post 1509796)
Meant to be......yes, spot on. This one's a keeper!

Yes Indeed. Planning for this one to be the keeper. :burnout:

rlw68 08-08-2020 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NorCam (Post 1509762)
This is Paul standing in front of the car back in 1970 after he installed a set of Ansens on the Z. How ironic is that? I mean it's like it is supposed to happen this way. Same exact look I was shooting for and great to know it was originally that way back in the day. I was just showing this to my wife and commented on the t-shirt being Edelbrock with some classic decals in the quarter window, and my wife said...love the pants too! Looks like Goodyear Polyglass with L60's on the rear?

Hey Graeme, got our Day 2 plaid pants on also ! (Sep 1970) :biggthumpup:


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dboles 08-08-2020 10:48 PM

I don't think I would go with a Tarantula manifold. It will kill any torque that the 302 has left. I had a '68 Z from '71 to '73. I made this mistake. Even with 4:10 gears it was terrible to drive in stop and go traffic. I ended up putting an Offenhauser dual port 360 on the car to get better driveability.


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