The article by Marty states that the Motion demo car had factory ZL2 option as well.

IMHO, I agree with you, this car was most likely ordered as an SS L78 and then had a 427 transplant at Brahms Chevrolet in NJ. It doesn’t appear to be the Motion demo or a COPO.

Now with everyone showing their cards, it's conclusive it's not a Baldwin car, and most probably an L-78 car from the factory converted to 427 by Brahms Chevrolet in NJ. Also seems highly unlikely it could be the Motion demo car from the auto show given this information and the firewall picture showing no factory piercings for ZL-2 hood referenced in the magazine article.

Can you post some photos showing the lettering you referenced from Heavy's ownership? I know Heavy had a fleet of orange cars, but this one is clearly not the Motion demo car.

Regardless, certainly a very cool and rare 427 dealer car. Seems a bit more digging perhaps could uncover some interesting history.

Completely agree if he submits for inclusion in the COPO Registry then he would have to prove a COPO pedigree and it's important to maintain a high bar for the registry.

Based on the documents now posted by a member, it's clear it is not a factory COPO 427 car, but instead is a dealer transplanted 427 car which is still quite cool.

Just an FYI:

BBLU= Lemans Blue
DBLU= Dusk Blue

Great detective work and thank you to: COPO, GOTGRUNT, KurtS and the others involved in determining the real pedigree and history!!!. Interesting that the true history of the car had been known and posted on the site in 2008. It seems weird that the owner didn't know or didn't want to know the true history.

Here is a picture of Carleen’s car when it was still blue. I’m not sure what year it was taken but that appears to be a late 1970s dodge camper next to it.

When it was first on ebay back in 2005, the warranty void doc was with it. I've never seen a doc like that, kinda hokey if you ask me. Brahms didn't do that kind of work and why would a dealer write that up? You'd just mark the invoice. And they even had a stamp made up??
The axle was reputedly a BV, then a BM (with no date stamp). Never saw a pic of it.

This thread gets more and more interesting with additional pictures and documents surfacing. It seems more indepth research is needed on this X22 Camaro to understand it's true history.

It was I who gave that story in 2006 to Kurt Sonen based on what they thought about the car. Im the one who posted most of the pictures of her. The picture when she is Blue is from -94.

What does it say that shine tru the paint on the header panel and on the side of it

Carleen, what makes you think Heavy owned the car? The 1994 picture looks like the original blue color of the car and it also has the stock "SS" hood. Where as the Motion demo car later sold to Heavy looks like it was a factory orange car with a factory ZL-2 hood.

Also, since the paperwork posted for this car shows it is out of Brahms Chevrolet in NJ, seems further unlikely there is a Motion, or a Baldwin Chevrolet connection.

Too bad Dan P. isn't around to explain his thoughts on the history that he uncovered.

Regardless, seems like a very cool car and most likely a dealer transplanted 427, so certainly quite rare and desirable.

I don’t see anything on the paint except reflection of nearby vehicles. can you actually see old race livery through your existing paint ?

Yes I can.I also have som old pictures when they have sanding down the paint.
But at this time it doesnt matter what I show or say when I have all the Gurus against me.
Dave Belk had this Camaro before me, He bought it 2005 from ebay. They talked about it at Detroit muscle and was saying that it was sponcered by Brahms Chevy. That was the info I gave Kurt S in 2006. It have a BM rear end and the date is scraped off by exhaust system.
Its an old Race car an it has been painted many times. In that Picture when it is Blue its like Le Mans Blue not Glacier.
Im not that stupid that I telling you that I have Heavys Camaro if I was not 100% sure.

Heavy had multiple Camaros. We’re just saying that from what we’re seeing, this is not the Baldwin Motion demo car. FWIW, you haven't shown any of the pics of the old lettering. All the photos that were posted where you say you can see numbers and letters, I don’t see a thing. Also you said the firewall had 427 and M22 written, I don’t see that either. If you have better pictures then post them up so we can put this to rest.

Regardless of who you are calling an expert there some of us that would still like to see the proof of what you have. Nothing wrong with posting photos at this point regardless the outcome. One way or another the true history on the car will be unveiled.. I still would like to see how you drew all the dots and lines to come to your conclusion.

When Dan Palchanes told me and I dident believe him he told me to look at the Pictures in Gray Primer
This is one of them

Can you see 425

Can you reed Heavys Camaro NHRA Champion?

I sharpened up the photos, still can’t see anything.

Sharpened this one up too, it says L-BLU RS

I'm sorry but I don't see what you are seeing.. Also I thought he always had "Car In Tow" on the spoiler.?.

This

I still don’t see it but let me ask you this... wouldn't the lack of ZL2 disqualify your car from being a COPO 9561? Also, what are your thoughts about the document from Brahms stating a 427 transplant dated March 1969.

Brahms Chevrolet sold many engines to Racers. Heavy came across a 430 Can Am engine. They were called Short Stroke big bore 427. I think they tried to compete in standard class where Service replace Engine was allowed but it probably did not work for 1969 they raced in Modified Production

Heavy did not own the car in March of 1969. 01B date on trim tag, not much time between when it completed assembly and the 427 transplant 3/21/69.

Also, the lack of ZL2?

I don't believe there are any X22 COPOs built in January. Yenko's early order did receive X66. Also I'd like to see documented cars with more than a piercing and provenance. This car is not in any known COPO body batches.

I don’t think anyone is calling you stupid. If your vin matches the Brahms documents then this car is obviously not the orange BM demo car which was not ever blue. I have no idea how many Camaros Brooklyn Heavy ran or where they originated from (accept the 69 BM Orange demo car with ZL2).

The printing date of owners manual is later. I believe its May so I dont know. Cant comment on that

The hole for ZL2 Wire is under Wiper motor

What does the 425 signify?

The only Camaros that I have seen with SYC Crayon are some early COPOs
Cant remember if its a Yenko

Here is darker Primer where there was written

Interesting thread.

After doing a bit of poking around on the 'net, I found a pic of Heavy, standing beside what might be this car only the car in the pic has had the rear wheel wells opened up for tire clearance (just google Brooklyn Heavy then click on images and scroll until you find it, it appears to be a picture of an old photograph ... the pic is of the passenger side of the car).

If this is the same car as the one featured in this thread, I would expect some evidence of repair in that area.

One other thought, if the car ran Corvette side pipes at one time and open headers when racing, how was the exhaust able to wear off the date on the rear end housing?

Edit: You just posted pics of the car in primer and mention the dark areas of primer are where the lettering was yet the wheel well appears to be stock (certainly not the same as the pic I mentioned finding on the internet). If these are supposed to be the same cars, then that suggests the entire quarter panel was not replaced when the wheel wells were fixed (if the entire quarter was replaced, the lettering would be gone ... no need for extra primer). That would mean there has to be evidence of the quarter panel/wheel well being returned to stock.

Please keep in mind, I am not trying to state this is not or that it is anything ... I am just trying to figure out how the pieces of the puzzle fit together.

This picture?

That be it ... is this supposedly the same car this thread is about?

I added a bit to my original post since your copy/paste.

Yes, Carleen is claiming this is the car he currently owns and that it was originally a double COPO. Here is a better picture of the car from the same time period.

Decklid spoiler with “Car in Tow” lettered on it. Nothing about “Champion”.

That should mean the quarter panels were repaired and not replaced so there has to be evidence of the repair.

Here

The pictures that you posting are from -73