Thanks for posting!!

So, for the record (!!) I never bashed Patrick's find, it's a great car - I simply don't believe it is what he claims it to be, nothing more than that.

Also, Patrick is claiming that I agree with him...', not at all!! He is trying to prove that there is some type of reversal of opinion on how the 37 were formed, and my comment in the last image above states 'prevailing opinion...' because people simple don't know if / how Yenko supplied the cars. I've been very clear that Patrick's Nova is indeed quite similar to cars included in the 37 based on color, trim, build date - except for the automatic, that's a deal breaker. So, to allude that there is some type of conspiracy here is absolutely ludicrous. :rolleyes:

Again, its a great car, but it would behoove Patrick to ask questions instead of digging up a 12 year old thread, it smacks of desperation..... there is no 'smoking gun' in those comments, and for goodness sake don't state that there is 'DEFINITELY' some effort to lower the value of the car.

My question is Why does he take his "findings" to facebook and remain quiet here?

The car is an automatic so we know that excludes it from being one of the "For conversion cars"

From the little I’ve seen, he doesn’t like to hear statements that oppose his views. I’ll leave it at that.......

Marlin, re: your list...Warren told me years ago he had conversion paperwork for W467990 and I've always thought that's the FG Nova Cliff E has.
The 2 you mention as unconverted are the Maroon GH Nova and Rob R's Lemans Blue...correct?

He has created a diversion making Marlin the bad guy and the yenko guys are jealous, picking on poor old PGN.

If you click on the View History tab of his L78 Nova topic,he initially listed it on May 7th as,"1969 L78 396 Yenko Nova Extraction Day."
On May 9th,he changed it to,"Unconverted 1969 L78 396 Yenko Nova Extraction Day."

Freudian slip?

That and he doesn't want a paper trail of opposing views from Yenko experts and historians associated with this car.

Maybe Marlin could shed more light. Looking at the VIN, its not even remotely close to any of the 26 confirmed cars.

Except facebook readers who are interested might now swing by here for more info?

And it is a super-cool car (even sans 4spd. & L89 heads) ...

Is he a member here?

Yes. A page or two back it was noted he is.

Mustve missed that. Sorry

I have only recently been following this story and this guy. I don't do FB. Just follow whats been posted here.

This Patrick guy has quite a few youtube vids of cars he has found. The Z-16 Chevelle is something. wow.

Curious to know how much he wants for this Rallye green Nova SS?

Did he delete the FB thread? I click on the first link and it comes up empty for me.
He might have buyers remorse now that he knows he has a really cool RG L78 Nova sold out of Yenko, and not one that was destined to be "converted".

So after reading through this, but I'm not on Facebook to see that, this is my take:

This 1969 SS Nova 396 is just that, a 19699 SS NOVA. Now some may argue that it`s a "conversion car", well then it would be an SS396 or have the 396 as it would be 427 AFTER the conversion. I could see between this been SOLD at YENKO and be slated for conversion to add MAYBE 15%, but nothing more then that. SORRY to the owner or anyone else, but it is what it is. And the fact that's it's an auto even further pushes away the claim of YSC.

A YENKO YSC Nova/Chevelle/Camaro HAS the L72 427's in 1969. That is what made them YSC's.

I have did the Yenko stripe kit thing to my 1969 Nova SS396 L-34. It was sold NEW at Chatham Motor ltd. I "believe" the original owner wanted a 427, so maybe I should say he wanted a "CONROY CHEETAH" and market it as such????? It has been a street racer for many many years.

I did happen to meet Kevin Hand and his '69 YSC Nova RG car just after I put the stripes on my car. I seen his car in a magazine and never knew of Yenko Nova's till then. I wasn't looking to make a clone or anything, just I THOUGHT the sides of the Nova's need a way to break them up as there pretty Plain-Jane, and the Yenko Stripe do.

He is just trying to hype this car up as much as he can before cashing in for a profit. He’s done the same with the other cars he’s found. I’m sure it’ll make it into hot rod magazine as an “unconverted” car.

The 2 mentioned as non-converted are the Garnet Red car that Dave B owns (owned?) and the Lemans Blue car owned by Robbie R.

The 467990 car is listed as Cliff's, I just don't know what documentation he has for it. I'm hoping he has a Vince letter since he bought it so long ago. It was found at Keystone Raceway as an ole race car known as The Piggy Bank...

Sure, so if this car were to be inserted into the short list of '69 Yenko Novas where we know the build week, it would look like this image. Note how the build week is not precisely in line with the known cars, but its within the range of this small sample. Same for the VIN and BODY number. Also note (for the number geeks!!!) that the body number is lower than any of them - even the 01A cars. We see this frequently, although perhaps not with this big of a difference, primarily because the date on the tag is the 'scheduled' build date and not always the 'actual' build date. Keep in mind that its the only automatic, which has slight body changes versus a manual trans....

Wow,that is a stretch of the known norm.

Now he's going to use that image as proof that it was "in the registry" and it was doctored to exclude it because this is a huge conspiracy against him. LOLOLOLOLOL

Marlin, I'd delete that image and repost with a clear watermark on the face of that document...

Dan

So I see that there is also a video with the original owner of the RG Nova.. Thoughts?

Good point Matt and Dan!! I don't have the energy to deal with that fall out, so I deleted the image - you guys got the point....

Yeah. Much like 99.9% of all customers who walked into Yenko Chevrolet to buy a car he was propositioned to upgrade to something that would increase Yenko's sales margins. He declined...twice. Does that make it one of the non-converted cars, no.

The reason I asked for thoughts was I felt like the OO was not aware of the supercar conversion until it was offered to him as an add on. Just because it was offered doesn't mean that it was originally intended to be one before his purchase.

When you just can't get out of your own way.
http://clarksvillenow.com/local/musc...-rare-69-nova/

He want's it to be what he want's it to be !!!!!...…….LOL

https://www.humortimes.com/wp-conten...th2H81ORKW.jpg

Just as was with the Black w/gold stripe LS6 from Pennsylvania, both this and the Z16 were known by a few quite some time ago before Patrick did the story. I have photos of the car I received from a good friend almost 2 years ago and I talked to the owner of the Z16 almost a year ago. He did the stories on them but he did not actually find them. Still very cool stories to release to the public.

Two separate discussions, Rick. One is him not being honest about being the one to "discover" a car and the other is of him projecting false information on a car. One is criminal in court of law if he tries to sell it as such, isn't it?

Oh wow :D

"Blah blah blah, claims claims claims, 3. The VIN is not on the registry."

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/rare...ter-sum-parts/

That's all I read.

Here we go again !!!!

Ok , the Yenko dealer adds value but what about the engine , according to the video was replaced under warranty wouldn’t that bring the value down on the car versus a car with its original engine?

Also , on Facebook Hot Rod Magazine had made a post about it being a non converted car ..

Then it must be True …… LOL.....Just like the Black L-89 car being in Hemmings..... Magazines never make mistakes "Right" !!!!

This is why it's important to have a place where this is discussed. Once you have people like Hot Rod Magazine reaffirming Nichols claims, it sets the narrative as it being a real non-converted car.

The folks with the paperwork (Emme, Dernoshek) HAVE NOT publicly endorsed this car as an sYc, or have even noted it was on the list for conversion. Nichols is attempting erase all negativity associated with this car by blocking everyone who disputes his claims. Is Vince on this site? It would be great to hear what he has to say.

I agree, but how many people really know of this site, or any other for that matter. Most of us geezers, including myself, don't participate in social media much at all. Matter of fact I had never even heard of this site until just recently a friend of mine (a member here) told me about it, and I've been collecting muscle cars for 30-something years. My father for more than 50 years and he doesn't care about websites. Just goes to show that there are tons of collectors out there that still don't spend much time on a computer, and I'm one of them. But you can bet most all of them subscribe to one or more car magazines :shrug:

This is why it's important to have a place where this is discussed. Once you have people like Hot Rod Magazine reaffirming Nichols claims, it sets the narrative as it being a real non-converted car.


That's why this site is so Important to Validate the cars that fall out of the Sky...…..The knowledge base here is way beyond any other site in regards to these Muscle Cars.....And the originality of these cars need to be vetted without any influence …… It seems the site is back on track again to do the validation correctly !!!!

I am seriously baffled by all of the people drinking the kool aid about this car being such a big deal because it is "unconverted". In my eyes it is just another BB Nova sold by Yenko so it is literally 1/3rd of the cool factor .. The hype on the hot rod instagram page is serious ... people are blood thirsty and going at anyone who knocks it down.