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PLATINUM6BBL 02-02-2018 12:41 AM

I was in 10th grade and a senior had a 69 Nova that had many small blocks in it. A friend of mine, who was a year older than me, knew the car well and said that some Dukes Of Hazard lovin' guy had bought the car from the original owner and that it was an original 427 car. The DOH guy thought it'd be fun to continually jump the car until the point of putting the pan into the crank. That is how the 427 went out and a long series of small blocks went in. The car ended up with another friend who dirt tracked & enduro raced the car. It was in this configuration that I stopped to look at it and write down the vin number. No, I don't know where that number is after moving 3 times. I could also see it was originally a light blue metallic in color. Didn't know about cowl tags at the time. After sitting in his fathers junk yard for a few years the whole place was crushed out.

resto4u 02-03-2018 03:31 PM

At some point this car will just be a rebody. It would be nice to atleast get that car indoors to slow down the rust demons. Someone should offer him a place to keep indoors at no cost, with a written offer of first refusal when it is sold. No one lives forever.

whitetop 02-03-2018 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by resto4u (Post 1386819)
At some point this car will just be a rebody. It would be nice to atleast get that car indoors to slow down the rust demons. Someone should offer him a place to keep indoors at no cost, with a written offer of first refusal when it is sold. No one lives forever.


He has an empty garage he can keep it in. I would be darn if I kept another guys car in my garage I will never have a chance to own.. He was offered 30k and turned it down. His grandson also has garage space he can keep it in.

I say F'em and let it rust back into the ground. Can't help stupid.

PapsMaro 04-04-2021 01:53 AM

Hey, so I’m the grandson of the owner for the car in the original pictures. It was bought it barnesville at bobs. 427 4 speed lemans blue, I have the original title, it’s just as sad to me that it’s been sitting. I’m going to try to restore or as one said rebody it. I’m not sure the best route to take yet about moving the car. I really don’t have the means to lift it so I may just take piece by piece. Would love any advice and help anyone could offer. Thanks in advance.

Ryan1969Chevelle 04-04-2021 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PapsMaro (Post 1544003)
Hey, so I’m the grandson of the owner for the car in the original pictures. It was bought it barnesville at bobs. 427 4 speed lemans blue, I have the original title, it’s just as sad to me that it’s been sitting. I’m going to try to restore or as one said rebody it. I’m not sure the best route to take yet about moving the car. I really don’t have the means to lift it so I may just take piece by piece. Would love any advice and help anyone could offer. Thanks in advance.

Great first post!!!

Lots of experts on here, to help get it safe, stop the deterioration and you best go get the original engine!!!

Ryan W31

L78M22Rag 04-04-2021 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by whitetop (Post 1383773)
At least 5 Copo's were sold or ended up within a few miles my little berg of 5000 people. Must be something in the water.

Here is another -original owner car last driven in late 70's. This one sits a few miles or so from the rusty one. Original paint other than touchup lower fenders and quarters.

Yeah, this looks like one that’s worth a healthy price. Thanks for sharing the dream... as if I didn’t have enough trouble sleeping already ;-)

R68GTO 04-04-2021 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PapsMaro (Post 1544003)
Hey, so I’m the grandson of the owner for the car in the original pictures. It was bought it barnesville at bobs. 427 4 speed lemans blue, I have the original title, it’s just as sad to me that it’s been sitting. I’m going to try to restore or as one said rebody it. I’m not sure the best route to take yet about moving the car. I really don’t have the means to lift it so I may just take piece by piece. Would love any advice and help anyone could offer. Thanks in advance.

There's quite a few guys from this site that live up your way that might be willing to help you out. If not, then send me a PM, I would be happy to drive over and help you some weekend. I enjoy this kind of stuff especially since I have a Lemans Blue COPO sitting in my garage.. Great post, welcome to the site!
Jim

John 04-04-2021 01:56 PM

.... PapsMaro,

... Welcome to the site.

... I am sure that there are 4 to 6 guys that would gladly come over to help you dismantle your camaro and show you what parts are still good on the car and help you move it to a dry location to start figuring out a plan for your restoration. This car needs to be saved.
I hope you reach out to those in your area to help you out.
Good luck and keep us in the loop as to the future of the restoration.
... Sincerely ,
John

....

Too Many Projects 04-04-2021 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PapsMaro (Post 1544003)
Hey, so I’m the grandson of the owner for the car in the original pictures. It was bought it barnesville at bobs. 427 4 speed lemans blue, I have the original title, it’s just as sad to me that it’s been sitting. I’m going to try to restore or as one said rebody it. I’m not sure the best route to take yet about moving the car. I really don’t have the means to lift it so I may just take piece by piece. Would love any advice and help anyone could offer. Thanks in advance.


You will need a trailer with a winch or a rollback truck to SLOOOOOWLY pull it out of the ground. If the body is as rusted as the stories indicate, it could pull apart. It's going to be a slow process with lots of digging to eliminate any unnecessary resistance to remove it in one piece.
As for the restoration, a 1 piece repro shell is probably going to be needed. To rebuild it with donor/aftermarket parts, will cost a fortune. It will be great to save it, but it's too far gone to ever consider it a survivor or restoration.

If I were closer, I would be glad to help, as I have the means to get it out of the ground, but I'm 800 miles away...:frown:
These other guys that have offered, should be able to do the same extraction.
I wish you the best with getting this "home" and starting the rebuild.

PapsMaro 04-04-2021 03:29 PM

Got the car moved forward about 50ft away from a dead tree. Surprised the front wheels actually rolled. Going to come back in a few days to put it on a trailer to try to get to my house now that I have a place to put it. Thanks for the positive feedback, feeling a little overwhelmed at the enormity of the project but we’ll take it a step at time. Have original hood, rear end, tranny, and maybe a few other things. If anyone knows of the 427 they think was pulled from the car would love to get in touch with whoever has it.

AnthonyS 04-04-2021 03:35 PM

Great progress!

Photos would be awesome!

Cheers and welcome!
Anthony

Carleen 04-04-2021 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by whitetop (Post 1385788)
This car was definitely a COPO and was purchased new at Bob's Chevrolet Barnesville ohio. Local guys are sending me the history. The guy who owns it blew up the 427 years ago but it is sitting in a garage 3 houses down. Owner later replaced it with a small block.

The guy who owns it now is the original owner. Another guy tried to buy it from Bob's Chevrolet but could not come up with the money and the current owner then bought it.

The grandson of the owner has reached out to several restoration shops recently to inquire about restoring the car.

It is not for sale.

X

Billohio 04-04-2021 04:27 PM

Great progress. Take a lot of pictures and bag bolts that you can reuse and mark where they came from. Sure helps later. There is an assembly manual you will probably want to get a copy of

dvss1 04-04-2021 04:29 PM

Good luck with the resto!! I offered to buy your grandfather a tarp for the car when I went to look at it 20 years ago. He denied stating he liked telling people stories and getting their hopes to buy then shutting them down with not for sale!!

AnthonyS 04-04-2021 06:05 PM

^ wow. :(

Stihl 04-07-2021 04:38 AM

Papsmaro, where exactly in SE Ohio are you located? I travel the area on business regularly. Might be able to assist you sometime.

PapsMaro 04-07-2021 03:07 PM

More eastern, Belmont, but I’m going to try to get back this weekend to move it. I’ll update later with pics of everything!

PapsMaro 04-07-2021 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dvss1 (Post 1544058)
Good luck with the resto!! I offered to buy your grandfather a tarp for the car when I went to look at it 20 years ago. He denied stating he liked telling people stories and getting their hopes to buy then shutting them down with not for sale!!

While I’m happy he never sold it, I’m upset it sat in the ground so long. Sometimes old stubborn men will always be that way I guess lol

R68GTO 04-08-2021 12:13 AM

Will make the resurrection all the more satisfying.

69LM1 04-08-2021 11:16 PM

PapsMaro,
Here's some hope for you. While I have a 69 Copo Camaro (the Tin Soldier) I also found my high school car several years ago. To anyone else, nothing special. To me, first car I kissed a girl in and first car I drag raced in. It was in a junkyard and as bad as this one. I sent it to Goodmark (back then) and they replaced all the metal on it. It can be done!

As found
https://i.imgur.com/B9i7AXH.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/WTujauC.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/WTujauC.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/IIq3UO8.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Q4NMX8O.jpg

And as a bonus found this:
https://i.imgur.com/04f7tlY.jpg

Now:

https://i.imgur.com/USusM5N.png

So it can be done!

Rich

Pro Stock John 04-08-2021 11:26 PM

So is the original engine still around?

PapsMaro 04-09-2021 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by whitetop (Post 1385721)
I just spoke with a guy who is familiar with this car and he was certain it was 427 car originally. Said a friend helped pull the 427 years ago and it is in a garage a few houses down.

Someone posted upstream they saw a cowl hood switch on the cowl. Why would this car have this??

Apparently it is very close to where the car sits now. I’ve reached out to white top but haven’t heard back. He knows the history of the car very well so I have faith in what he says but won’t know until we can see the number on it.

Pro Stock John 04-09-2021 05:51 PM

Good luck, great to hear this car is finally getting some love. I'm sure some of the guys on here would try to help you out on parts.

L72copocamaro 04-09-2021 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PapsMaro (Post 1544425)
Apparently it is very close to where the car sits now. I’ve reached out to white top but haven’t heard back. He knows the history of the car very well so I have faith in what he says but won’t know until we can see the number on it.

I really hope that turns out for you!

RogerD 04-11-2021 07:29 PM

Wow, absolutely a blessing to your grandfather that you are taking over his old COPO to bring it back to life after all these years :biggthumpup:

Bet he is just as thrilled as you must be 😎

David C. 04-17-2021 12:56 AM

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Anything can be saved with the availability of parts nowadays.

AnthonyS 04-17-2021 03:11 AM

^ wow! Big job!

PapsMaro 04-18-2021 12:29 AM

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Got the car moved, it’s really rough but I have a lot to start with. Tried to get ahold of white top to see about tracking the motor down but haven’t heard anything.

scuncio 04-18-2021 12:32 AM

Congrats!

carnut4life 04-18-2021 02:17 AM

Congratulations and best of luck PapsMaro. Can't wait to follow this one and am hoping whitetop helps you get the original engine back.

GotGrunt 04-18-2021 03:41 AM

Awesome! What happened to the rear end? Is it a BE?

PapsMaro 04-18-2021 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GotGrunt (Post 1545308)
Awesome! What happened to the rear end? Is it a BE?

I have the rear end. Someone tried to steal it by ripping it out a few years ago so we had to remove it completely.

BLACKLS5 04-18-2021 01:23 PM

Great to see this one on it's way to being saved. I Like the 'Blue yummy' sitting on the header panel after a hard days work.

Rumbleguts396 04-18-2021 01:42 PM

This is Awesome !!!!! ROB

Pro Stock John 04-18-2021 06:53 PM

Congrats on your progress!

PapsMaro 04-18-2021 10:31 PM

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Got the rear end home, trans, drive shaft, and maybe the bell housing? I’m not sure what it is or if it’s original. I think it is but not positive. How do I confirm that it is the original rear end?

R68GTO 04-18-2021 10:43 PM

Looks like an M21 Transmission. Check the trans for VIN stamping. On the rear end, look on the passenger side tube on the section that faces the front of the car. There should be a stamp there for both the model (you're looking for BE) and the date of manufacture. Be careful in uncovering the stamp, don't use anything abrasive like sandpaper, it will mar the stamping. Clean it up gently and submit a few photos. Gotta be exciting for you, hell, I'm excited!

PapsMaro 04-18-2021 11:57 PM

[QUOTE=R68GTO;1545372]Looks like an M21 Transmission. Check the trans for VIN stamping. On the rear end, look on the passenger side tube on the section that faces the front of the car. There should be a stamp there for both the model (you're looking for BE) and the date of manufacture. Be careful in uncovering the stamp, don't use anything abrasive like sandpaper, it will mar the stamping. Clean it up gently and submit a few photos. Gotta be exciting for you, hell, I'm excited![/QUOTE

What do you recommend I use to clean it with? Just a brush? Thank you for the knowledge also!! I’m beyond excited!

Too Many Projects 04-19-2021 12:09 AM

It looks like it's mostly rust. I would use a wire brush with a rust penetrant to loosen it. Once you have the rust cleaned as well as possible, it may still take light sanding with 400 and water as a lubricant to reveal the stamping. You just don't want to use anything aggressive for sanding.
The stampings for the trans should be on top. It will have a coded assembly date and should have the last 6 numbers of the vin too. They can be almost anywhere, but the top was the most common, usually on the main case, but sometimes on the midplate.

PapsMaro 04-19-2021 12:19 AM

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