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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh-oh.... Another potential &quot;evening orchid&quot; thread. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img] </div></div>

Yep...I do not think the owner of the car will be back any time soon at this point. That's sad for the rest of us who are not trying to poke the bear.

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So what you want is an environment where anyone can claim anything they want as original. No proof required.

Maybe I'm not as gullible as &quot;the rest of us.&quot;

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The owner was here 5 minutes ago. He's watching &amp; reading even if he's not posting...Joe

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Maybe there should be an attitude of healthy skepticism, but with an open mind as well until evidence and/or pictures show up so they can be judged accordingly? Scaring off someone who may have something that is different than what is known or accepted as correct now really inhibits us from learning anything new.
Just my opinion.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: William</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So what you want is an environment where anyone can claim anything they want as original. No proof required.

Maybe I'm not as gullible as &quot;the rest of us.&quot; </div></div>


William since you are addressing me I will reply. So many missed opportunities to learn new things and I see this car and thread as yet another missed opportunity.

Research needs to actually accomplish &quot;research&quot;. If you are not open to new developments and looking at cars that might challenge the existing norm then you are pushing a technical consensus ideology and that's ok--let's just not confuse the two.

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I do appreciate everyone's expertise and thoughtful insight. My intent was not to insult or question anyone's knowledge or their years of research but instead to perhaps add something to the pool on knowledge.

Re: &quot;I would like to see backside of the grill, removed from car&quot;

I would be happy to take pictures of the grill. Exactly which area of the grill would you like to see?

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...67-z28_001.jpg

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Why on earth do you interpret my questioning his claim as a &quot;missed opportunity?&quot; I didn't dismiss this as crap. I requested the grille be removed and the backsides photographed. That may possibly establish once and for all how the car was built. I am completely open to leaning the truth here. As Mark stated it is healthy skepticism.

It has been established that a '69 Z/28 was built with red stripes.
It has been established that a '69 Z/28 was built with an X11 body tag.
It has been established that some '69 Z/28s were built with incorrect rear stripes.

Why do you think the CRG exists Phil? Why do you think Barrett-Jackson employs one of our Core Members to examine cars consigned at their auctions?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: William</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why on earth do you interpret my questioning his claim as a &quot;missed opportunity?&quot; I didn't dismiss this as crap. I requested the grille be removed and the backsides photographed. That may possibly establish once and for all how the car was built. I am completely open to leaning the truth here. As Mark stated it is healthy skepticism.

It has been established that a '69 Z/28 was built with red stripes.
It has been established that a '69 Z/28 was built with an X11 body tag.
It has been established that some '69 Z/28s were built with incorrect rear stripes.

Why do you think the CRG exists Phil? Why do you think Barrett-Jackson employs one of our Core Members to examine cars consigned at their auctions? </div></div>

William,

No reply is needed. Any reply feeds the demagogue narrative .

Tom is back. Let's have a look at the car again shall we?

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Tom,

Pictures of the Grille and its fasteners from various angles please...

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You two behave. Tom We would love to see any backside pics of the grill.

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As found please. Do not remove it.

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Having dismantled plenty of '69s back in the day I know what I expect to see. Others may also know and commenting about it here doesn't help.

Photographing it in the car is better than nothing but could establish that it was molded in off-white plastic. With the hood open, take photos of the backside and inside top. If you can, get photos of the underside also.

If the grille is molded in black plastic we are back to square one. Doesn't prove it was built with it.

Removing the grille is some work; the bumper, headlamp bezels and grille reinforcement have to be removed first. Paint could be scratched and parts damaged. And it may not prove anything. I'd rather let sleeping dogs lie than risk any of that. I understand if you would rather not.

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X33
Factory Installed JL8 Option(documented with POP)
Stripe Delete &quot; -- &quot; Paint Code
Headlight Washers (only a handful of non-RS cars had this option)
Custom Interior with fold down rear seat
Rear Window Defroster
Radio Delete
No Console
No Tachometer (Gas gauge only)
Originally ordered with an Endura Bumper (Has chrome bumper now, I did that when I owned the car the first time around.)
There is a guy named Tony N. from California (at that time) on this site that I sold the Endura Bumper to, he actually helped me locate the car, long story, happy ending. Car was buried in a garage since 1985, that NJ Inspection sticker is still in the window.

Original paint and interior.

I was the third owner, purchased the car with 12,000 miles on it, personally knew the second owner, have spoken on the phone with the original owner, I sold it in 1977 with 14,000 miles on it, purchased it back with 22,000 miles on it.

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We had a Dusk Blue JL8 stripe delete Z/28 stored in the building in my CPX days. Probably around 1990 or so. Story was it was purchased in Denver by a member of the Air Force who was from Milwaukee originally.

While I don't believe it is the same car, it is quite a coincidence.

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----As I think I said earlier, there was apparently a 3rd Dusk Blue stripeless 69 Z. I saw it at a Chevy dealership in Newton Ma. prior to delivery to the new owner. It was loaded with options and made quite an impression on me. I never saw it again, however. Triple coincidence!......Bill S

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I vaguely recall it had an aftermarket wood steering wheel and I think black houndstooth. It was either a nice restoration or original. Almost certainly still around.

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This car was delivered to Zabriskie Chevy in Paterson, NJ and never left the state. Zabriskie Chevy has been closed for years. In speaking to the original owner he had a friend at the dealership and ordered the car as it was delivered. It is a very early May build car.

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Looking forward to the photos Tom. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

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Mark,

The black plastic standard grill shows available in my 12-1-68 parts book along with the standard silver grill.

January 1973 the standard silver grill was discontinued and you were to use the standard black grill as its replacement.

There are also two grills for R.S., one silver and one black.

- Warren

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Warren,
It's surprising that the black standard grille was available that early considering it is not what was used in production?
Mark

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SS cars had black grills...Joe

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Attached are pictures of original grill. It appears to have originally been a silver grill painted black, surprisingly done sometime prior to my ownership the first time around, I purchased it the first time with 12,000 miles on it. I doubt the factory or dealership would have painted it black. A NOS grill came with the car when I purchased it the second time. Original grill had a crack in it and that owner purchased a new one (see attached tag from box), it is black. I replaced the original grill with the NOS Black grill, never gave it a second thought thinking the black grill was correct, I did keep the original grill thankfully, oh well live and learn. I do like the look of the black grill. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...907_195531.jpg
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...907_195607.jpg
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...907_195649.jpg
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...907_195915.jpg
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...907_200336.jpg

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one more picture

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...907_200027.jpg

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ok, that pic didnt come out so good.......

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Tom,

Thanks for clearing that up... Now let's see more of this great car! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

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Thanks!
That's real proof, not musings or recollections. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

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Thanks for taking the time to post the correct information concerning your grill.

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Excellent work! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] When pressed many folks would have just packed it in and left everyone to wonder. Kudos to you for setting the record straight.Guys like you are what make this hobby great. M

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Some Z's just look better with the black grill.
I had a 69 Z, Cortez Silver, and purposely repainted the grill black.

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Great thread,

I bought an old race car last year that hadn't been on the road since late 1970. The original owner has now become a pretty good friend as well as a source for old photos of the car dating back to when he owned and raced the car from 1969 onward. After seeing pictures of the car in street trim from 1970 with a flat hood, I asked him when he changed the hood to the raised cowl and asked why the grill was now black. He replied that he ordered the factory cowl hood and he sounded pretty sure of himself. Not to argue I referenced the pics he sent me from 1970 and told him they clearly showed a flat hood and a silver grill. He said he couldn't recall why the grill would have been changed (maybe color preference) and then sort of recalled that the hood was dealer installed just before it was taken off the road and converted to Super Stock in around 71. All pictures of the car show the cowl hood from about 72 onward.

Point here is that original owners of 47 years can often be incorrect on certain statements or aspects of a car, and often forget things they may have changed or thought were once factual about the car. I'm really glad mine still had the original rubber bumper, and after reading this thread I will now inspect the black grill that came in it to see if it's in fact white underneath? Good read here and thanks for sticking around throughout the debate Tom. That's a very nice car you have there!

I would love to see more of the car including pictures of the interior, engine bay and underside. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

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I would love to see pics of the race car discussed above by NorCam. I know my '69, and many, many like it that were bought and built to race had &quot;custom&quot; paint jobs very early in life, and the entire grill (including the surrounds) were painted black. I'd venture to say more were painted black than weren't. I have pictures of mine with 3 entirely different race paint jobs and the grill was black in every one of them.

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Not to hi-jack the thread, but here's a link to some pictures Dave Member Rides - My not so little 69 Project