At some point in time you have to take these radicals at their word...

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada wants deeper environmental ties with the United States and one result could be a North American ban on the sale of new gasoline-powered passenger cars and trucks, a senior cabinet member said on Thursday.

Environment Minister Jonathan Wilkinson said Ottawa and the incoming administration of President-elect Joe Biden both agreed zero emissions vehicles needed to be deployed faster.

Canada will discuss with the United States how to achieve this and also improve the overall performance of the transport sector, which accounts for 26% of Canadian emissions..... .


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN28R31V

New Administration= same old moves now afoot again within the EPA....

"The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is embroiled in a lawsuit with Gear Box Z, Inc., contending that the Clean Air Act (CAA), doesn’t allow you to convert your street car into a competition-only race vehicle"

"Once certified as a street vehicle, your car or truck can never be converted into a race vehicle even if it’s trailered and never driven on public roads again, argues the EPA".

Link:
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...law-race-cars/

SEMA: https://www.sema.org/news-media/pres..._utmk=60126437

https://www.sema.org/news-media/enew..._utmk=33821545

Do not comply. “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

It might sound melodramatic, but if they took my cars, it would kill me.

Cars are the only hobby I've ever had in my 21 years on this Earth. I think about them all day long- dreaming, scheming, planning on things to do with them. They're why I get out of bed in the morning. They're why I work (well, that and living is expensive in general lol). Hell, I've even used them to help me with anxiety attacks.

So if they were gone, what would I have to occupy all of my time? Nothing.

I will fight this my entire life if I have to.

Agreed. Here is where they are going: Even if you do not have a competition only car lets say for example you have a stock restored 1969 Camaro SS 350 and you rebuild the original engine using 30 over pistons. By the specific wording of the EPA's proposed rulemaking it would be illegal and you are very likely a criminal. You MIGHT be able to sleeve the block and petition the EPA in writing for a technical determination and this could be allowed?

Who Knows. Can you sell your modified car? WHO KNOWS. Can you be held liable after the sale WHO KNOWS.

Bigger Valves, any non GM specification parts=ILLEGAL
Cams, Crank, Rods, intakes, carburetors, the same.

NOW here is the comparison that matters: Gun ownership.

In this comparison

The equivalent of the ATF is the EPA
The equivalent of the NRA is SEMA
GUN Owners=Collector/Modified car owners

Guns and rulemaking- an example to consider:

Currently lets say I have an imported AK-47, and a part breaks internally. To fix the gun to meet the myriad of rules (922-R as one example) I can only use certain parts and often these parts were are not reproduced or even available. When they became available, often both the manufacturer and the installer had to ask the ATF for an interpretative determination prior to use. If the installer uses the wrong part and then lets say the gun is sold and the violation of discovered. All parties in the transaction are initially charged with firearms code violations, and ATF has a history of simply changing its rules on a dime with little to no notice. Look up bump stock for example. ATF originally determined to be legal and did so multiple times. Then acted to make it illegal. It is that easy all the while the ATF ignores the simple fact that a simple rubber band - Yes ONE rubber band can be used to cause the gun to function in the same manner as the bump stock did.

Gun ownership is a constitutional right and YET look at the legislative and social pressure used against gun owners aver the past 20 years to get a reasonable glimpse of our likely future as car owners.

The demonization of SEMA is underway right now. I believe we are next.

Another great video explores this issue from all sides:

I've seen a little bit of this already. I didn't think too much of it at the time.

Rob at ATP tuned my Duramax many years ago, and I bought quite a few parts from him as well to supplement the tune. Rob has been in business for years and at the time had the quickest Duramax in the country, and tuned/sold parts for everyone around the country. Great guy to deal with, excellent service, and a top notch tuner.

So last year late summer I get a message from him letting me know if I need any more tuning I need to get with him asap because the EPA had come in and was shutting him down. Making it too difficult for him to sustain his business. Sure enough not long after he closed his doors for good.

Getting closer to Christmas time my son asked for a set of long tube headers for his 89 Mustang. He already had an off road X on the car with the factory shorty headers that he installed a few years ago. Knowing I'd need another X I tried to order another off road X with the long tube headers, only to find out that all the big companies like BBK, Pypes etc... completely stopped manufacturing the off road X and H pipes. They were simply no longer available unless I bought a catted version for triple the price.
I said screw it, and shortened the X on the car and rewelded it to fit the new long tube headers.

So apparently this has been going on now for a while, and they have already either shut down business or affected sales in the auto industry.

How far it will go is hard to say. All the more reason I'm glad we sold all our new cars and just drive 50+ year old stuff that was made long before all this strict emissions stuff you see on new cars today.

Please sign the SEMA petition and send your representative a note regarding this latest legislation attempt. The link above is the easiest thing to do, and I know it works as I got a note back from my representative stating that he received my message.
Our hobby depends on it.

This is what one if my lovely senators replied to my inquiry from the SEMA Action Network. At least replied to the topic. Corey Booker just sent an unrelated canned email. And no reply from congressman Chris Smith.

First avgas then next will be leaded racing fuel. This regulation will effectively scrap most affordable aircraft and many vintage designs. In summary ground them permanently.

This would be like forcing you to LS your 1969 Z/28 in order to just continue to operate it on the street.

This is a slippery slope we are on when a regulatory agency has this much power.

Please do not make this thread political. Increasingly it appears we are having trouble discussing anything serious on the forum without forum rules getting looked at and entire threads deleted as a result

https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/...aviation-fuel/

It's why I've built all my engines to run fine on the pump gas we have available.
Did that decades ago. Didn't even have to neuter the engine to do it. My wife daily drives our 69Z as a result, still with 11:1 compression. No need for modern engine swaps.

Understood. Hardened Valve seats etc... but it is not just that, it is how does the EPA know your engine has been fixed/compliant?, these are the questions. As for aviation there is Lots of 70+ year old airplanes (and engines) out there flying around.

New certificated engines are crazy expensive as it is.

Most civilian planes will be able to use the new 100 octane Unleaded fuel, but the real high performance racers, acrobatic flyers and still flying WWII aircraft won't be able to fly as there isn't a 112 octane replacement fuel available for their high compression engines. For 30+ years the oil companies have tried to find something even 1/4 as efficient as tetra ethyl lead is at raising the octane rating of gasoline, and failed. 100 octane level can be reached mostly by ultra refining of gasoline, but going higher is going to take something as effective as tetra ethyl lead or switching to something other than gasoline. Methanol has the necessary high octane rating, but not the proper vapor pressure to work as an aircraft fuel.

IMO...We need to get in on the regulatory comment period to insure proper carve outs are permitted for the older hi compression engines to allow for authentic operation.

As of right now, we don't do any EPA testing where I live and never have. So not really sure why I would be concerned whether the EPA knows my cars run on currently available pump gas. My advice would be to get your classics off that expensive stuff that is getting harder to find, and apparently may go nearly extinct from the sounds of it.

I started building pump gas friendly engines a couple decades ago. I got tired of the hassle of mixing fuel, or even finding it. Even 20 years ago that was expensive, and airports were already cracking down on guys bringing in cans to fill. I can't even imagine now.
That all got old pretty fast back then. Couldn't drive the car for any distance at all, and never really got to enjoy them as a result. Then we got tired of new cars and the direction they were going so we decided to drive the classics daily. That caused me to rethink how the engines were built and the changes I needed to make so I could just pull into any pump and fill up. As engine builders got smarter I learned a lot, experimented a lot. Now we can have a pump gas friendly engine that makes more power than the original engines did, and they aren't snarly to drive either.

We'll continue to drive them as long as there is pump gas available, and I can afford it. Hopefully I'll be gone before it gets to a point it's unobtainium, and if I'm still around, I guess I'll either have to get very proficient with my bicycle or go back to riding horses. :biggthumpup:

While I have been posting about AVGAS (and its implications for the potential availability of racing fuel) lets focus only on cars in this individual post:

Just to be clear, for anyone who may be new to this thread please be advised that if the EPA has its way --you will not be able to alter the factory built specification of any automobile engine - including engine internals meaning-any modification (fuel friendly intent or not) could well render the engine non compliant.

Post 87 on the previous page of this thread - is instructive as to the big issues in play here.

Good news to report!


This IS the biggest SCOTUS ruling of the session and that's why it was last opinion released.

The EPA LOST!!!!

Backstory:

https://www.grid.news/story/science/...limate-change/

SCOTUS BLOG:

https://www.scotusblog.com/case-file...ection-agency/

My understanding is that this ruling could possibly reign in the entire administrative state,—not just the EPA.

Guns:

ATF: Can't ban unless specifically written as a law (no nebulous/arbitrary interpretations that make things criminal).

Climate/Cars/Parts

EPA: You have to regulate only what is allowed under law for the individual, not make blanket policies.

Indeed. A ruling that limits the executive bureaucratic administrations power to dictate fiat laws at will would be an enormously huge win. Far more than anything we've seen in our lifetimes I would think we now perhaps have the tools to push back against these rules for the first time in history.

YEP. I am sick of bureaucratic morons LEGISLATING. So many times they are WAY over eager, overreaching, and just plain stupid, without taking into account the consequences of their actions. I was jumping for joy when I read this. BTW, I have no problem with Congress legislating in favor of clean air. I probably lean farther left than most on this site when it comes to that arena. But it needs to be done by law, not by regulation.

Now, we just need to get our State courts to do something similar on the State level, as today's SCOTUS decision only affects the fed.

Today it's a diesel truck. Perhaps in a few short years OUR cars.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/diesel...ibextid=oUeriK