Re: 1969 Copo ?
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kurt S</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is exactly one of my main points, you have one CRG member who states that you cannnot certify a COPO without factory paperwork and/or original engine/drivetrain and you have another who does without any of the above. </div></div>
So?? How does that involve CRG? This is a stretch.
Neither are posting or appraising as the CRG. Affiliation does not make CRG complicit in their statements. </div></div>

The CRG is a tremendous resourse, none of my points are meant to be derogagtory to the CRG.

I'll try to make my main point again; <span style="font-weight: bold">1969 COPO 9561 L72 Camaros can sometimes be authenticated, verified and &quot;certified&quot; without any of their original drivetrain and/or with out any dealer paperwork.</span>

Point number two: A &quot;core member&quot; of an organization which specializes in first generation Camaros facts/data/assembly processes etc. states the opposite while another &quot;core&quot; member of the same first generation Camaro &quot;organization&quot; routinely certifies such Camaros as COPOs and happens to state his core membership of CRG as a credential of expertise on his certificates.

Who is the ultimate &quot;voice&quot; for the CRG? Does the CRG have any, even one single 1969 Camaros in their data base, which do not have paperwork or numbers matching drivetrains, which are classified as 9561 COPOs or potential COPOs? </div></div>

My car that was once listed at Nickey, Tin Soldier, has zero paperwork no original drivetrain, and has been certified as an original copo. Of course, the original owner is alive and verified the car, and it has nhra history.

Just an example.

Rich

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Helpful Hint...If the car has it's original heater box (and core) a good indicator is to pull the hoses and look at the nipples. An original Harrison core will always have the crimp restrictions on the lower as pictured below. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif[/img]

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Or maybe this little wire clip on a X11/X44 car.... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img]

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics..._wire_clip.jpg

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The heater core is also date coded.

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Mikeeee, I understand that wire clip is for the cowl induction wiring harness??

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You are correct sir!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The heater core is also date coded. </div></div>


Like this:

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Helpful Hint... a good indicator is to pull the hoses and look at the nipples. </div></div>

[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/blush.gif[/img]



Always look for an Adam's Apple first. Then you won't have to go through the embarrassment of your above mentioned step.

[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif[/img]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: njsteve</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Helpful Hint... a good indicator is to pull the hoses and look at the nipples. </div></div>

[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/blush.gif[/img]



Always look for an Adam's Apple first. Then you won't have to go through the embarrassment of your above mentioned step.


Especially if the car may have non COPO &quot;junk&quot; hiding under it's various parts... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif[/img]

[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif[/img] </div></div>

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Great stuff.

Adams Apple........................funny.

Hidden Junk..........................funnyyyyyyy

Ryan

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And that would hopefully be a fish dinner not a meat and potatoes dinner [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Can-I-Have-It.gif[/img]

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Holy Moly did this thread get funny

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That is how we roll...once the goodies are laying out on the table we tell a few jokes... It all boils down to a few pictures some nipples, hiding Junk, and fish for dinner. Priceless.. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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...and I'm thinking if there's even a hose to pull u really don't want to see the associated nipples...but hey different strokes for different folks...

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: njsteve</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Helpful Hint... a good indicator is to pull the hoses and look at the nipples. </div></div>

[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/blush.gif[/img]



Always look for an Adam's Apple first. Then you won't have to go through the embarrassment of your above mentioned step.

[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif[/img] </div></div>

Especially when buying a Lola.

K

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Especially when buying a Lola.

K
</div></div>

That's rather Kinks y [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif[/img]

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Does anyone know what actually happened to this car?

Jason

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: John Brown</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Especially when buying a Lola.

K
</div></div>

That's rather Kinks y [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif[/img] </div></div>

LOL!

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Ok. Being a pitcher is always better than being a catcher ....batter up !!! Need to order a drink !!

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ThIS has got to be one of the longer threads about nothing. I will get back to watching the paint dry.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: resto4u</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ThIS has got to be one of the longer threads about nothing. I will get back to watching the paint dry. </div></div>

Yep..reading between the lines is tough, but I have to agree with you if nobody wants to tackle the issues presented in the thread or contribute anything additional to it-- all for fear someone will be offended by the truth--then the thread is indeed over.

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Phil ...let it go . Negativity is a dead end.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: C O P O CARTEL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Phil ...let it go . Negativity is a dead end. </div></div>

What are you speaking to here Doug?

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X11....ORIGINAL BIG BLOCK HEATER BOX = COPO

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I am on an airplane...lets not banter.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: C O P O CARTEL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am on an airplane...lets not banter. </div></div>

No banter-you have internet access.. what is bothering you?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: C O P O CARTEL</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> X11....ORIGINAL BIG BLOCK HEATER BOX = COPO </div></div>

Oh I get it the Original box that you posted pictures of with the nipples that are not clearly original Harrison.. Is that what you are talking about?? The box you told us was untouched?

Looks like someone put a core in it that is all... Still could be a COPO Right?

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Phil you have been trashing the car by saying the rear floors need replacing and then we see what is in fact pretty nice floors. You say the car had quadrajet fuel lines and then we see a single line. You then go on to say it has a big block heater box that looks new or refinished and we are then shown what does not look like an new or refinished box. At this point I don't think anyone is going to believe whatever you say about this car. Can we stick to facts please and not bring some unknown agenda into this ? I'm about to lock this thread.

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Have to agree,this is all sounding like sour grapes for the most part.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SuperNovaSS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know what actually happened to this car?

Jason </div></div>

It was completely restored and then Judged at the Camaro Nationals. I believe that it achieved one of the highest scores ever awarded to a COPO 9561 at that venue.

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I think we should MBTMF the thread!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Phil you have been trashing the car by saying the rear floors need replacing and then we see what is in fact pretty nice floors. You say the car had quadrajet fuel lines and then we see a single line. You then go on to say it has a big block heater box that looks new or refinished and we are then shown what does not look like an new or refinished box. At this point I don't think anyone is going to believe whatever you say about this car. Can we stick to facts please and not bring some unknown agenda into this ? I'm about to lock this thread. </div></div>

Charley,

A full year passed between the time I looked at the car and the time Doug bought it.

I told the original seller the reasons I believed the car was not a COPO.

The seller or someone must have acted upon what I told him and made some cosmetic changes to its appearance and then to top it off lied to Doug stating I had &quot;Certified&quot; the car which I did not.

When Doug called me after he got the car he became upset that I would not acknowledge that I had &quot;Certified&quot; the car.

Again at the Good guys (3 years later) in Columbus both My Wife and I were confronted in person with an uninvited Perry insisting that I confirm I had &quot;Certified the car&quot;. This was witnessed by several SYC members in attendance there. This was an ugly situation. Brian H and Arone were there.

The photos of the floors do not reflect the severity of the original damage which was clearly sledgehammer damage. I stand 100 Percent as to what the car was when I saw it. But...Apparently Doug has now located the original owner and it turned out to be a COPO after all.

Fakes are hurting the hobby and I thought that was what this thread was all about? How do you spot a fake with respect to the subject car on page 1, I had experience with the black car and I qualified my post original as not being a challenge to Perry or his assertions that the car was real.. then he posted the pictures as a way to create a rebuttal to my post about the car.

I am Ok with that, but on the same side you cannot make the claim that he does that the heater box in the picture is validation of COPO when it has an aftermarket core in it that is real clear to see.

I hope this is still the Premiere site on the web for this discussion - I fear we becoming too PC to discuss the obvious?

Re: 1969 Copo ?
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SuperNovaSS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know what actually happened to this car?

Jason </div></div>

It was completely restored and then Judged at the Camaro Nationals. I believe that it achieved one of the highest scores ever awarded to a COPO 9561 at that venue. </div></div>


That is my understanding...if everybody knows the original drive train is gone..how does a car score that high? Not being critical just asking...

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So Phil you passed on this car because the after market heater core?? I would love to see some pictures of the car when you looked at it the first time, If you say you told the owner what to look for and he made the changes, Please post the pictures.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZL1#61</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So Phil you passed on this car because the after market heater core?? I would love to see some pictures of the car when you looked at it the first time, If you say you told the owner what to look for and he made the changes, Please post the pictures.
</div></div>

I Did not pass in it I did not get the chance. I tried to perform the additional due diligence needed in an honest attempt to validate the car. I am left to conclude that I spooked the seller.

Doug has pictures and he has posted them. Doug has located the original owner and the car is a COPO.

If I post pictures the next allegation will be that they are photo shopped. If I am not believable with what I am telling you what would make me believe that posting pictures would change your minds? In review:

Doug introduced the allegation that His car was &quot;Discredited&quot; at post 560292 on page 7 which I read and this opened the discussion for the other side of the story--so and replied to his post on page 7 at post 562096.

Again on page 7 at post 562115 Doug states a different story. I replied on page 7 at post 562136 to correct the record and add additional information.

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So if you would have had a chance to get the car would you have pulled the trigger??

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZL1#61</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So if you would have had a chance to get the car would you have pulled the trigger?? </div></div>

I do not know...I never got a price. Guy never called me back. After I looked at the car the first time for three hours on a lift -the car had a massive set of Calvert Racing Cal Tracs on it as well and a healthy 427 in it but the car was badged as a 396.

I do recall that he was asking me why I needed three additional hours to look at the car when I called him back on the phone and he questioned why I felt qualified or needed to make a determination? I recall telling him that I was a blue coat Gold Spinner Judge at Chevy Vettefest and a Member of the SYC Forum here.

This was over 10 years ago now. My how time flies...

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Are we still talking about the April L car or another one, I'm confused here-

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jannes_z-28</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are we still talking about the April L car or another one, I'm confused here- </div></div>

Jan,

Different car..see the first post on page 7 of this thread. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...opo_engine.jpg

Here is the black camaro's engine compartment just before I took it apart to restore it. Does anything in this picture look like he took any ones advice and changed anything to present it as a COPO car???

THIS is a dead horse as far as I am concerned and the last I will say or post about it.....