Re: Motion Nova ???????
 

Thanks to Wayne from NNNOVA and Scott from Nova Resource got info on the Cowl Tag and Broad Cast sheet and the Chrome Custom badge on dash.

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Re: Motion Nova ???????
 

Charley, the pic won't go through.

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Email the picture to me and I will post....

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xplantdad</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Email the picture to me and I will post.... </div></div>

Re: Motion Nova ???????
 

Can't confirm or deny anything. But there are two black rubber burnout strips in front of his old house from last night, and the screws the new owner used to bolt the garage door shut are somehow broken off [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img] . The new owner was intent that the Nova now belonged to him. However, none of the paperwork (title, etc) was in the house.



I dont know Dan, but this pleases me.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pulnaway</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can't confirm or deny anything. But there are two black rubber burnout strips in front of his old house from last night, and the screws the new owner used to bolt the garage door shut are somehow broken off [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img] . The new owner was intent that the Nova now belonged to him. However, none of the paperwork (title, etc) was in the house.



I dont know Dan, but this pleases me.
I certainly hope. He got his car out of the garage ......
Best wishes to Dan..


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Here is letter I got from Fredy Calas best friend who raced with him all the time I have blocked out his address so I do not get him mad. I also have 2 notarized letters coming from the paint shop that had the car delivered to them from Motion Performance when he did not like the way it was done first will post them when I get them.

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And so it begins again! Hope the car is proven to be motion prepared.

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I know where that White Castle in Newark is...You gotta bring some big guns nowadays to hang out there. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/no.gif[/img]

(and yes I mean actual guns) [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img]

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How did he remember the color was called Sequoia Green ?

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Wow Motion parts list also cool stories, are there any period pics of the car?
Looking forward to what else you come up with also hope Wallace is the dealer result from the new NCRS service!
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~ Pete

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Here are the two hand sealed notarized letters from Dan Maglio who was related to the owner and was working at Battaglia Auto Body when the car was brought to them from Motion Performance by Richie Brown. One was done for Mike Conliff other for me. Blacked out addresses to protect them. One more notarized letter coming. Having trouble adding one from Mike too big.
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Here's the other one. Barry asked for my help... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

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Great research Barry - it is awkward though that the attesters are including the VIN of the car. How can anyone recall the VIN from 40+ years ago? Also, Dan says that it was a &quot;brand new vehicle&quot; - in January of 1969?

Don't get me wrong - I love the research &amp; believe that you are onto something here. Just need to try to explain the data as it is revealed.

Keep it up - fascinating!

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Him remembering the vin was the first thing that came to my mind!

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Also - the notary stamp. In PA they don't get to hand write in the year of expiration. Maybe different in other states?

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3rd owner that bought the car in Nov. 13, 1975 and was still titled in his name when I got the car.
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I can tell you for a fact that New York notary people writes in the expiration on the ones they do and the ones from New Jersey came in the mail that way also so they must be able to do the same.

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Remembering VINs as being suspicious?

I can recite all the VINs from all my Mopars from the past 40 years off the top of my head. (Yes, I have that Rain Man syndrome). So I think you are grasping when you fault a previous owner for remembering a VIN number from a memorable (to him) old car.

As for my anniversary date, or my wife's age or birthday????...well that's another topic. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img]

As for other people involved in the car's history, (painters, etc,) I wouldn't think there would be a problem with the requestor of the info giving the interviewee the VIN number just in case that person had some documentation or invoices to compare it to.

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(Bergy you say something about the car not being new in Jan. 1969) The car came into Wallace 1st week July then after Fredy got the car and got around to getting ready to have enough money to have Motion do Phase III on the car most likely could of been Oct.-Nov. then after not liking what they did to get it resolved and have it taken to Body shop to correct the issues the car would of been kept in the garage like as new when he bought it just as fresh a car by time it went there most likely. Talked to couple people who worked at Motion past couple days and that car is stuck in their minds they say because of the unusual color that 1968 was with the Green paint, light vinyl top and gold interior that was couple different shades of gold. The one worker Buddy Gromis said most likely he was the one that welded the Hurst shifter to have it fit the console right and put the one bolt in the tow tabs then welded them to the frame rails below the bumper in the front. I talked to him yesterday afternoon.

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wow most painters(by trade) i knew back in the day especially sniffin all those fumes could,nt remember there name by the end of the week.. After 45 yrs since he did the job and gotta be 70 yrs old he still remembers the car???(he must have gotten lucky in the back seat or something?)

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Anybody have any updates on how Dan is doing?

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I've talked to Barry on occasion and he seems like a straight up guy and I certainly mean no disrespect saying this but to be honest these letters seem suspicious to me. I find it almost impossible that all 3 people from different walks of life all MISSPELLED DISK BRAKES WITH A K and that a guy would remember things like correct paint names and vin numbers after 30 years but I guess never say never. I hope this car does prove to be what it supposedly said to be but I don't think these letters are helping the cause. They all seem to be coerced to say the least. All this talk about 427 towers and the term copo was never even used back in the day. I live right next to Cornwall Heights and I don't ever remember see that car race and I was THERE at all the street races back in the day. Again that don't mean it wasn't there. I'm just saying I don't remember such a rare car. I hope people aren't just trying to help Barry validate the car because I don't think they are helping at all. JMHO

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Picture of door jam with the yellow brush marks still on the original green paint and tags off the front heavy duty springs. Tow tabs on the frame of the car one bolt welded on. I can let anyone look at the letters that came in the mail from the different people folded in the different envelopes notarized they in my safe nothing phony about them.
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Those tow tabs to me seem to be NMW TB-24 ( 55-56 Chevy) adapted to a Nova.

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If Ronald Cook wrote that letter and sent it from croydon pa which is right down the street from me by the way then why is it notorized up in NY?? Why is the woman's signature shaky just like yours is? I can tell you that PA notary uses a stamp that presses the paper and is NOT a ink stamp with no signature. Also why does all the letters seem to have the SAME horrible hand writing addressing them to you. None of these guys have decent hand writing????. One guy can spell Seqoiua Green but can't spell disc brakes. Another guy remembers the vin number after 30 years and another guy remembers sanding down the paint and finding motion stripes. Everybody that owned it seems to know how rare of a car it was but NOT one took care of it and let it get into the horrible shape it's in.I can tell you most guys my age down here in Philly didn't even know what motion stripes looked like at that time. Hell, there was a couple copo chevelle and camaro running around and we did not call them copos.so I can't see why that guy would know all the correct terminology..I'm going to contact Ronald this weekend and talk to him in person to pick his brain about this car.I am removing myself from this conversation after this and I hope this does not turn out to be fake. But these letters to Me seem very suspicious. Something is not right here. I think your going to need better documents to change this car from a 7000 dollar car to a 100+ car to be honest.

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Barry - please don't feel like people are against you or against your car. This site is a great place to get feedback. I've run this gauntlet on a couple of occasions with cars in my collection, and afterward I've been a lot more knowledgeable for having stuck with the process. IMO - there's nothing wrong with interviewing people who have historical information about your car and writing down the details of the conversation yourself in letter form for their notarized signature. I do this myself and always tell the individual to make any corrections necessary (initial and date the corrections) before having it notarized. FYI, I've never gotten a notarized letter back that hasn't had a few corrections/modifications. Notably, Bob Shaffer (Ewing Chevrolet High Performance Manager in '69 model year)certified the options that he ordered on one of my COPOs and added many great comments &amp; details.
It looks like a lot of folks believe in your car. Also a lot of skeptics. For the car's sake - just keep going back through all of the comments and honestly ask yourself if you've adequately addressed the concerns. Just my 2 cents!

Re: Motion Nova ???????
 

Both Dan Maglio and Ollie Jensen who wrote those letters to me are older than me if you want to know about shaky hand writing.

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They may be old but look like they have amazing memories. Amazing!

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Gave GTO-Don R. Cooks address so he can go talk to him this weekend.

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Barry, did you write up the letters and have those people sign them &quot;in agreement?&quot; That would explain the in-depth terminology concerning options/ colors, etc. IMO. Not knocking you or the car as anyone would want to see a real Motion car surface of any kind, especially a Nova.

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The one from Mike Conliff he talked to the guy in depth from the paint shop and got everything that the guy knew about the car on the phone without putting words in his mouth and everything is on tape on the phone I have CD-R of the conversations and then he typed it up sent it to the painter and he kept it there and would not do anything with that one until I contacted him and talked with him the same way asking him what he knew about the car going back and back over what he knew and me taking notes and getting things down correct so that he would be ok with what I sent to him. Finally got what he liked and sent it to him and he called me one day said he took it to his bank got it notarized and he told me that he still had what Mike sent him there and he did not like the part where he had late 1968 in his and he crossed off the 8 in 1968 and put the 9 and Jan. there and he told me that he would send me that one notarized also. He crossed off one thing on mine where it said certain color vinyl top which he thought was a off white instead. The other letter that Ollie Jensen signed for me sent one to him after spending time on the phone with him and he got it in the mail and he called me and started remembering more about where they raced and other things then I sent him another one in the mail and he signed it then sent that to me. The 3rd owner did the same thing with me then sent it to me all done without me offering them anything in return.

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I think Joel R. is the key to all of this.

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I imagine Joel is going to want to see the other letters first. Good detective work. If I was a buyer I would rather see the buyer's statements in their own words but can understand the way you are going about it.


Jason

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think Joel R. is the key to all of this. </div></div> I don't know if Joel was doing any wrenching on the cars late 68-early-69 or was just hustling up work as the salesman but if he was involved inside the shop I'm sure he would of remembered the color combination of this nova and especially if it was the first 68, even if he does not have any vin documentation or work orders. I'm hoping it is real. I love the history and the search for knowledge of the rare cars.

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This is a quote from MikeC in a previous post on this thread. I was told this more than once as well over the years. Unfortunately it seems this car will never have Joel's blessing apparently, unless something drastically happens or appears.

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Ok here's my 2 cents worth, I did speak to Joel, he made it clear he had no interest in discussing the car or the person that owned it prior to me in any way shape or form. He also made it clear that everything he had heard prior to me calling on the car and what he had for records NO WAY tied the car to Motion performance. he further stated that he would NEVER be involved with anything concerning this car... BTW that information was given to Barry prior to him agreeing to purchase the car from me.

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I think Dan really made Joel not like him.

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When I spent time on the phone with Joel right after I bought the car he explained to me that he would not talk about this car as long as Dan was around because of all he went thru with Dan and how he had to get police involved because of what was going on. He never said that he did not know this car and I ran into other people who would not talk to me because of possibly what Dan said to them they would hang up on me because of that. So I just let them be and did not contact them again. Aso couple people that worked at Motion back then said they know certain things about the car but could not get involved because of their dealings with Joel now.

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Just for what it's worth regarding the notarized statements... the way that I do it is to take copious notes when talking to the individual. Then send them a letter with self addressed return envelope &amp; $$ for notary fee. On the correspondence I say &quot;this correspondence is to memorialize our conversation of (date). Please feel free to alter/change/add anything that you feel will make the document more accurate. Please do not include anything that you don't clearly recall about the car. When you have completed the changes(initial and date each one)and are prepared to attest to its accuracy - please sign the document in the presence of a notary and return it to me in the enclosed envelope&quot;.

I feel that it's kind of an unreasonable expectation to finish a conversation with a former owner (a conversation that could have been hours long), and then ask the individual to write everything discussed down. So, I do the work for them and then ask the former owner to review it, correct it, and sign it. The document always makes it clear that it was typed up by ME to memorialize our conversation. All hand written notes and attesting signature (of course) are from the former owner.

If the document(s) make it clear up front how they came into being - it doesn't raise more questions then it answers. Hopefully this helps.

Also, for what it's worth to everyone, it's a good idea to have statements like this in the car's file from every old owner. Some of these former owners are getting up there in years (like me). It's good to have their statements live on - for the car's sake.