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I have seen many protecto plates that looked like new over the years. As for the paperwork I'm told Mecum sent it off to be tested and it is supposed to be real.

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It would be interesting to hear where this paper work was stored for the last 45 years. I would guess, not the glovebox. m

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have seen many protector plates that looked like new over the years. As for the paperwork I'm told Mecum sent it off to be tested and it is supposed to be real. </div></div>

Unfortunately for me the ones I have seen have age to them. I am no expert. Just giving an opinion from experiences. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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i wonder if the past owners had all that paperwork. LOOKS PRETTY ***

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have seen many protector plates that looked like new over the years. As for the paperwork I'm told Mecum sent it off to be tested and it is supposed to be real. </div></div>


Unfortunately for me the ones I have seen have age to them. I am no expert. Just giving an opinion from experiences. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] </div></div>

There is a lab in Atlanta which tests paper. The Chemistry of the older paper from before the mid 80's is much different than that of today.

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My 69 L-78 Chevelle came from AL Lincoln. I have no dog in the fight, and I'm NOT posting a picture of my P-O-P here. For what it's worth, my '69 POP has a different ink pad stamp on the POP. Other than it's spelled the same, it is completely different, font - spacing etc. That is not to say they didn't have two stamps.

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NOS data plates and booklets have been for sale since the 80s. a guy in florida sells them. He sells items on ebay.

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&quot;There is a lab in Atlanta which tests paper. The Chemistry of the older paper from before the mid 80's is much different than that of today.&quot;............What if someone were to find old dealer invoices that were blank??

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the427king</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;There is a lab in Atlanta which tests paper. The Chemistry of the older paper from before the mid 80's is much different than that of today.&quot;............What if someone were to find old dealer invoices that were blank?? </div></div>

Then there would be no way to tell it(paper) from original. The same applies to any counterfeits done on time period correct substrates. (old master forgeries, ink removal from manuscripts etc)
The issue would come when another invoice from the same period appears and there are discrepancies.

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A quick websearch reveals the James Hurley who was the 16 year old who received the car new. It appears he is the mayor pro-tem of the city of Troy. Someone MUST have some photos of this car prior to restoration somewhere.
The description according to Super chevy leaves no doubt everyone knew it was special along with each and everything they did to the car. The ownership is so clean and the owners so proud the pictures exist.

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I think this car was featured in Super Chevy in the 80s before
the rip off artist's got so involved in the hobby! From what I remember
the mother purchased for her 16 yr old kid ,lucky brat!

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A 307 rear with a M22 would be a slug even with a L89.
I bet he got his butt worn out if he tried any stoplight to stoplight digs.

Re: Mecum Auction 68 L89 Camaro
 

So, here's what I gather from all the comments:

Block - concensus that it's a re-stamped block (not original).

Protectoplate Booklet and invoice - suspicious due to lack of aging/yellowing and frayed corners and another members information that his protectoplate from the same dealer has a different style ink stamp altogether.

Protectoplate Metal Card - Suspicious due to no ink residue, too shiny and no aging whatsoever including no oxidation.

This all said, so what do you all think now about &quot;this car is complete numbers matching drivetrain with original invoice and protectoplate&quot;?

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Reconstructed and Redocumented............one of many!!!

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I have no comment this car, but the Gibb royal plum L78 67 convert had a 308 gear I believe. The buyer wanted to run 150+ mph down the interstate if I remember correctly. Some of the interesting individuals back then wanted top end, not drag gears. Something about out running the cops.

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While very unusual, having the 3.08 rear gear doesn't preclude it from being a L89. I have seen several 3.08 geared original 1968 L78s.

No one can make a 100% accurate assessment about the car in question, based solely on the pictures and /or info provided thus far in this thread.

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This is what I found on this Camaro:7/27/68 Al Lincoln Buick Chevrolet applied for title original owner Mrs Leland Hurley Troy NC.
8/30/68 titled granted to Mrs Hurley on behalf of her son James he owns
2-1/2 yrs. 1/21/71 Hurley consigns to Essiks body shop Asheboro NC.
2/17/71 Jimmy Essiks decides to buy the Camaro,he is 2nd owner for 2-1/2 yrs.6/14/73 19 yr old Richard McCurry of Randleman NC purchased the camaro he is 3rd owner for 16-1/2 yrs.


2/19/90 Camaro is sold to Lloyds of Highpoint a dealer they are 4th owners.
3/21/90 car is sold to Todd Whittman of Charlotte NC he is 5th owner for next 6 plus yrs car is seldom driven. 6/14/96 Camaro is sold to Ron Anthony of Greensboro NC,he is sixth owner for 2 months.8/12/96 car is sold to Evan Collins of Santa Barbara California ,he is 7th owner for 10-1/2 yrs.
7/2006 he sells car to Roger and Carolynn Sortino of Washington State.
Collins had the car restored by Bel Air restorations in Buellton Calif.
Only other L89 68 convertible known is owned by Keith Laws of Ohio,green one with white top.Camaro seems to be well documented to me!
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Just from a lawyerly standpoint I would point out this: If for the sake of argument, the chain of ownership you post is absolutely correct, it may only document the chain of ownership of a 1968 Camaro and not necessarily a 1968 L89 Camaro. Correct me if I am wrong but I think that is the issue at hand?

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Agreed. We know who reputedly owned it. But the block and the docs are fakes.
What was the car originally? Proof of that?