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Looking forward to some clarity w/ what comes next especially hoping this or any car is the real #48 hidden behind this whole mess!
This car going to auction before the facts are in seems to suggest less of what we may hope as again if all was positive wouldn't presenting it here first significantly benefit car and value? If this or any car included original body/cowl stampings/Vin tag but trim tag lost to time, considering the values of any ZL1's of late why not just toss any fake trim tag and step proudly forward? Best of luck to all! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Which ZL1 ? </div></div>
Maybe it is ZL1 48.5.... I hope to attend the auction to catch the action. Ryan </div></div> I have it figured out...The BJ Auction is selling the ZEEL1 #48 and the Canadian auction is selling the ZEDL1 #48 |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1969L78Nova</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Which ZL1 ? </div></div>
Maybe it is ZL1 48.5.... I hope to attend the auction to catch the action. Ryan </div></div> I have it figured out...The BJ Auction is selling the ZEEL1 #48 and the Canadian auction is selling the ZEDL1 #48 </div></div> Ha ha, LOL, :-) eh! Ryan |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BJCHEV396</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ZL1 #48 will be sold November 2nd,no reserve,at the Toronto Fall Classic Car Auction.For more info www.ccpauctions.com </div></div>
I couldn't access a list of cars to be auctioned. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BJCHEV396</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ZL1 #48 will be sold November 2nd,no reserve,at the Toronto Fall Classic Car Auction.For more info www.ccpauctions.com </div></div>
I couldn't access a list of cars to be auctioned. </div></div> The list is not available yet on their web site, however the car was part of the CC Auction advertising in the Toronto Star published on Sept 14. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carleen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.camaros.org/images/pages/...S_firewall.gif
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...de%20small.jpg </div></div> Both of these Camaros appear to have had AM radios. |
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Also advertised in the Sept.16th. issue of OLD AUTOS as ZL1 #48.www.oldautos.ca
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If you go to that OLD AUTOS site and click on "sample pages", the article on this car comes up. To be sold at "no reserve".
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Click to article...
http://www.oldautos.ca/SamplePages.aspx Click to auction site, no vehicle listings yet? http://www.ccpauctions.com/event.php?EventID=87 Here's a few terms/details from the Auction site below, the mentioned announcements could be interesting? Again I'm hoping the car and facts presented are all positive! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete ================================================== ======================= <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">Accuracy</span> Although every effort is made to ensure the accuracy of the information contained on this website, such information is provided by the seller and may not be verified by Collector Car Productions prior to the time of sale.<span style="font-weight: bold"> Any additional information or corrections known at the sale time will be announced by the auctioneer.</span> Please note that although every effort is made to provide complete and accurate information regarding each lot offered, buyers are advised to rely upon their own inspections as all sales are made on an "as is, where is basis". Collector Car Productions accepts no responsibility for the condition of any items offered. <span style="font-weight: bold">Terms & Conditions</span> Please ensure that you have read and understood these terms and conditions prior to bidding at this or any other Collector Car Productions, Inc. sale. 1. All sales are final. No bidder may retract a bid made during the sale for any reason. 2. Payment of ten percent (10%) of the purchase price (minimum $1,000) is due immediately upon the auctioneer’s declaration of sale. The balance is due in full on or before 3:00 pm of the next business day following the auction sale. All payments must be in the form of cash or certified funds unless other arrangements have been approved in advance. The buyer hereby acknowledges that the seller has entered into an agreement by which entitlement to certain fees in the event the vehicle consigned is sold within 30 days following the auctions conclusion. The buyer hereby acknowledges that should he purchase or acquire for money or other goods any vehicle consigned to the auction, the buyer is liable to pay the buyer's fee to Collector Car Productions. 3. All sales are “as is” and “where is”. Bidder is responsible for inspections and verification of condition, authenticity, and completeness of any vehicle purchased. No warranties or representations of any type whatsoever are made by Collector Car Productions, Inc. Statements printed in catalogs, brochures, signs, window cards and verbal statements made by auctioneers or auction staff are representations made by the seller and Collector Car Productions, Inc. has no obligation to verify or authenticate any such claims or representations.<span style="font-weight: bold"> Any announcements made at the time of sale supercede any earlier printed information.</span> 4. Buyer is responsible for all risk of loss or damage immediately upon purchase of the vehicle or item. All vehicles or items purchased must be removed from the auction site at the buyer’s expense immediately following the sale. If not removed by the end of the day following the sale, Collector Car Productions, Inc. will remove the vehicle or item with all costs of moving and storage to be paid by the buyer. 5. Final bid price does not include buyer’s premium or applicable taxes on each lot purchased. Buyer is responsible to pay all city, state or other taxes due for which the buyer does not qualify as exempt. Proof of exemption is buyer’s responsibility. 6. Buyer's premiums are as follows. A ten percent (10%) commission will be added to the final bid of each automotive lot purchased. A fifteen percent (15%) commission will be added to the final bid of each lot of memorabilia purchased. <span style="font-weight: bold">7. All terms of sale posted on the auction premises, printed in sale brochures or forms, publicly announced or otherwise published are incorporated herein by reference.</span></span> |
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Who else is coming to this auction?
Any ZL1 experts? Ryan |
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Pictures are now posted on the auction site, trim tag & hidden vins.
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Well it appears he has now gotten a trim tag made to reflect a different body #. Old body # supplied was 222042. We asked for a pic of it but it was never produced. Now they disclose a repo trim tag is on it but it now appears to have 44 body #. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...1-dsc05656.jpg
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...13_r003_24.jpg |
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222044?
Try again. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: William</div><div class="ubbcode-body">222044?
Try again. </div></div> http://www.ccpauctions.com/images/lo...13_r003_38.jpg |
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Hope they tighten up that steering coupler!
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Is that repop goop on the repop tag...nice... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smirk.gif[/img]
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Auction listings, nice line up also cool '66 2'Dr wagon! http://www.ccpauctions.com/lot-list.php?EventID=87 Subject car... http://www.ccpauctions.com/lot-detai...amp;EventID=87 ZL1 #48 VIN 124379N618902 4-Spd. Lemans Blue ------------------------------- Right or wrong # on a repop Trim Tag admittedly or not means little as again if this was genuinely car #48 w/ just TT gone astray, why not skip any tag foolishness and stand proudly forward? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete ================================================== ======================= |
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with one is the real car and if you bought this car are the feds going to be at your door
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Depending on where you live it'll be the feds or the RCMP.
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Just curious guys...the trim tag is a reproduction? so what does that mean for the car? Is it no longer valid as a COPO? I know the removing of any tag makes a car suspect, but what does it mean to you all? Like I said...just curious.
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It is not just the wrong tag that is the problem. As Mark pointed out in another thread there was clearly a non ZL1 body with this vin. Supposedly pics of that same car. The owner was aware of the thread and declined to clear the mess up. I personally assume it is not one of the orig ZL1's. Seeing it selling at no reserve at a auction in Canada also makes me wonder.
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I was hoping to go see the auction but other family plans have trumped the auction trip.
The second car with the same Vin is an issue. No reserve is brave. At a Canadian auction eh! Ryan |
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Car #42 seemed to get a pass!! as per William indicating that some cowls and firewalls were cut up in the day.
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You gotta wonder? get on a plane and go figure it out in person! Comment from afar and rely on someone with an ax to grind at Carstar in Elora. Bill Rudow?? ya right
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This should have always been about the car in question, but somehow it seems to always become about attacking people who have passed on the facts as known regarding this Camaro.
Once again, the Camaro in question's owner supplied pictures of an LA built '69 Camaro body that had the serial number ZL1# 48 stamped into it. The owner further supplied and posted on this site pictures of another example of a body with ZL1 # 48 stamped into it, perhaps the final version that is currently going to auction, who knows for sure. One Camaro with the serial numbers for ZL1 # 48 and no trim tag that was painted lemans blue by Bill had june '69 sheet-metal dates. The Camaro owner also supplied a 1981 Georgia bill of sale document with the incorrect vin number, Canadian import document reflecting the same incorrect vin # with what appears to be the same handwriting for the Camaro (Chev Camaro) and the vin. The Camaro in question is built with no original drivetrain and a repro trim tag with the BDY # of another ZL1. The story is that this 1969 Camaro was purchased in 1981 for $ 100 in Georgia and transported back to Canada, stored until 2006 when it was first registered and found to be, low and behold, ZL1 # 48 with the correct vin! Not one 1969 Camaro body but at least 2 the owner has shown pictures of have the correct ZL1 # 48 serial number, how can this be? They must be reproducing! It must be a ZL1 breeding ground! Maybe they will show up in bunches now, all hatching on the same day! Oh wait, that has already happened before! It would be great if an inspection could prove we have ZL1 # 48, but there is nothing to prove that; no real history, no real parts, no real trim tag. What if anything surrounding this Camaro is the original ZL1 # 48 other than a highly improbable story? Lets leave the personal attacks off the thread. Provide something that supports that the car is real. It certainly looks otherwise based on what the owner has supplied regarding his '69 Camaro. |
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The personal attacks started the day the "pictures" were posted as fact from your side. How is it that everything you state is fact and all other is bullshit. Again your pictures are from... with proof and dates from... facts dates documents. Go see the car for yourself and come back report on the car. The owner would be more than happy to talk with you face to face.
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The pictures that were posted were supplied by the Camaro owner and the additional pictures were posted by the Camaro owner himself on this site. Are you saying that the pictures supplied by the Camaro owner are not real, not factual? Were these pictures with a Camaro vin # 48 body made up by the owner and not real? Did someone else make up the pictures? If these pictures supplied by the owner in both cases were not factual then why would he possibly try to discredit his own car with 2 examples of vin stamped bodies in pictures? I have only presented what the owner has supplied on his own car. Was that wrong to expose the facts or should we just rely on BS? Maybe we should just focus on the evidence the owner has supplied, which has been done many times already. These are the only facts we have. I don't think the Camaro body will prove anything otherwise at this point.
Yes, lets all get together and have a beer and re-minis about the good old days, that would be a blast. |
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no resewrve so i assume it sold?? How much??? just curious??
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: camaromb</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> They must be reproducing! It must be a ZL1 breeding ground! Maybe they will show up in bunches now, all hatching on the same day! Oh wait, that has already happened before!
</div></div> Maybe some time in the near future all 69 will be accounted for. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img] James |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: iluv69s</div><div class="ubbcode-body">no resewrve so i assume it sold?? How much??? just curious?? </div></div>We'll know next weekend.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BJCHEV396</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: iluv69s</div><div class="ubbcode-body">no resewrve so i assume it sold?? How much??? just curious?? </div></div>We'll know next weekend. </div></div>
OHH... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img] Thanks |
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.. please correct me if I am wrong on the details, I am going by memory here...
The BJ/ Reggie car sold for 260k if I recall. That was 'supposedly' nothing but an original VIN attached to another body, etc. more recently an admitted 'rebody' sold for 450k I believe. No-nonsense cars seem to sell for North of 600k This car??? I wonder if someone is going to take a chance ?? It is a shame if the car is the real car and the owner did not do more to prove it here. It is more of a shame lf it is not the real car, and somoene pays more than clone value for it. Actually, if it is not the real car. it is totally illegal and only worth its value in parts. I wonder if the new owner will take the effort to prove the cars dates and numbers either way. and if it is not real, what if the real car shows up??? just saying..?? there are apparently now atleast 2 cars with these numbers... I hope it is real and another one is saved !!!! what day is the car being sold??? |
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I figure most people know the car sold for 162K.I think the new owner made a good investment.Unless you find another ZL1 in a barn,the only way you are going to get a deal on one of these cars is to stick your neck out on a deal like this.Real or not this car will sell in the future and the seller will make big money.The only way I could see this not happening is if another #48 car shows up and is proven without doubt that it is the real one.
As far as the current situation,I think the owner just gave up and decided to blow the car out.Maybe he decided to stop posting because things were snow balling and just getting worse.He did well on this deal and so did the buyer.Hopefully in the mean time the car will be prove real and the next owner will also do well.Jusy my .02. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZiggyL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I figure most people know the car sold for 162K.I think the new owner made a good investment.Unless you find another ZL1 in a barn,the only way you are going to get a deal on one of these cars is to stick your neck out on a deal like this.Real or not this car will sell in the future and the seller will make big money.The only way I could see this not happening is if another #48 car shows up and is proven without doubt that it is the real one.
As far as the current situation,I think the owner just gave up and decided to blow the car out.Maybe he decided to stop posting because things were snow balling and just getting worse.He did well on this deal and so did the buyer.Hopefully in the mean time the car will be prove real and the next owner will also do well.Jusy my .02. </div></div> now my .02 you are correct that if buyer bought this car to resell, this is probably a good investment...maybe a great investment...assuming the buyer/future seller has no conscience. But, I suspect that the buyer had no clue about the issues associated with this car. I would be very nervous if I were the seller because apparently atleast one other car has the same VIN numbers as this one...but I assume if the seller did own both cars at one point, the 'first' number 48 is no longer around. And if the buyer is made aware of the issues with the car now and turns out to prove these issues true...then what for the seller? I dont believe we are done hearing about this car. After this sale, I am waiting for the 5 Canadian ZL-1s that were all registered the same day to come up for auction soon !!! Still hopeful the buyer hit a jackpot !!!!! And another real car is saved !!! |
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If seller owned both cars, why were the wrong trim tag numbers shown? A lot of mystery here. If I was the buyer and didn't know about this info, I would be wondering why it was such a deal.
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The seller never was able to figure out the real body number for ZL1 # 48.
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Keep in mind too that it's not impossible the buyer and seller could be the same person/group?
Not specific to this car and situation but faceless phone bidders can sometimes be shill bidders and/or sellers buying their own cars when final bids in are too low. Obviously shill bids are illegal and unfair too but surprisingly it's not uncommon at major auctions, nothing wrong with anyone buying their own car back though especially considering the current trend of no reserve auctions. Being we haven't seen enough here to be conclusively certain of anything regarding this car being referred to as ZL1 #48, we can't really call it anything other than suspect for now can we? Again it's too bad the seller didn't present all facts/details here first as if all was just it most likely would've sold for waaaay more? Considering recent values of any reputed ZL1's including some w/ murky details, has having cars lost in a haze of rebodies and hokey tags/paperwork/history simply become accepted now...even fashionable? Does being the first to exibit a car to match a ZL1 identity somehow make anyone the keeper of that identity regardless of right/wrong or their example containing even one single component of the original car? If buyers are willing to pay big $ for a collection of parts and a claimed ZL1 identity it won't be surprising to see a few more appear before the dust settles and 'available identities' are all used up? What's interesting is of the few identities left 'up for grabs' some still have legal owners/insurance co's that can lay claim to a car bearing that identity so affixing #'s to a collection of parts and restoration costs is a risky venture that could quickly backfire? Back to the regular show! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Billohio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If seller owned both cars, why were the wrong trim tag numbers shown? A lot of mystery here. If I was the buyer and didn't know about this info, I would be wondering why it was such a deal. </div></div>
Correct me if I am wrong... photos were posted here by a member of a body that was apparently at a body shop to be restored. This body had incorrect dates and body piercings to be the real ZL-1 in question. A friend of owner came on and stated that the car in the photos was not the real ZL-1 that his friend owned and posted photos of another body and a 3 x 5 card with the body number off the cowl tag from his friend's car written. This body number was incorrect for the ZL-1 in question. Now the car at the auction has an admitted fake cowl tag with yet another incorrect body number for ZL-1 number 48. I guess my question is, who owned the car at the body shop??? ... and thank God the body numbers are secret and not in order !!! |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PeteLeathersac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does being the first to exibit a car to match a ZL1 identity somehow make anyone the keeper of that identity regardless of right/wrong or their example containing even one single component of the original car?
If buyers are willing to pay big $ for a collection of parts and a claimed ZL1 identity it won't be surprising to see a few more appear before the dust settles and 'available identities' are all used up? ~ Pete </div></div> So does the 'owner' of the 5 Canadian ZL-1s that were registered the same day have any value if he just sold the title? The so-called rights?? This could get uglier... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif[/img] |
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This:
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...vin_zl1_48.jpg Certainly didn't come from this: https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...7-dsc05742.jpg |
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