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No need to send me the magazine, we have it, as our DY '69 Yenko is on page 60 and our matching 2010 is on page 79.

As per the article, if you read the whole article you will see where the author Huw Evans contradicts himself in regards to the engine having solid or hydro lifters. I do not know Mr. Evans, but same as you, I would suggest he do his homework before writing about Yenko Camaros. As I re-read the magazine, and then your previous posts, I see you have been using this magazine for most, if not all of your reference material. Big mistake, as the article on the Yenko and the ZL-1 are a comedy of errors.

As happens more times then not, magazines seem to only get part of the information correct, so I rarely use them as reference, just for enjoyment.


As per facts, in front of me are a couple of very good reference books I would suggest you check out, one the COPO Connection by Ed Cunneen, that lists in detail how GM built the 1969 Yenko Camaro, taken from actual GM records, and the bible for high performance Chevrolet parts, including engines, Chevrolet By the Numbers by Alvin Colvin.

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Xplantdad, thanks for the reply, nice pictures not the same car. the one they drove did not have black roof,Was unrestored,except for new paint. and was an auto and the owner was driving it.check out the mag . camaro milestones, all on the diff. 69's camaros. on those pictures you sent what about the red paint on the intake manifold, doesnt go with the restore. thanks Bob krueger

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Are you saying there should not be overspray (orange) on the intake of a restored car? Hum...

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Tom, liked the pictures not the articules.used none of there info. even called editor on errors, Just said they stated the same info that I have seen other places. there is an ad from yenko chev. on this site about 67 427 auto trans. camaros, 410 hp. I know you can find it faster than I can. Its from 1967. Bob krueger.

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tom, I found the mystery ads from yenko chev.On the auto trans 427, hydro lifter 410HP. camaros. They on this SITE, under,( dealer specific discussion) yenko chev. there are 4 full page ads from the late 60s,advertizing, the new yenko camaro, avaiable with a auto trans, hydro lifters, and 410 HP. they were posted by tom clary on 5/4/04. in this universe. Thanks BOB KRUEGER. please reply.

Re: 68 Yenko clone
 

<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">FWIW</span></span>, Volume 12, Number 9, September 1973 Popular Hot Rodding magazine.

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FWIW II...

Assembly line photo of some &quot;W&quot; engines at the assembly plant....courtesy of LIFE magazine. It shows that Chevy painted most everything including the exhaust manifolds.



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From first hand accounts of people who worked in these plants...there was a &quot;mask&quot; of sorts that was haphazardly placed over the aluminum intake area on the big blocks while the engines were sprayed...so over spray did indeed get onto the intake and heater bypass hoses. After all, Chevrolet was in the business of building cars...not restoring them [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

Plus, there are many documented examples of low mileage unrestored cars that still have the over spray on these areas!

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Re: 68 Yenko clone
 

Pretty neat pic Bruce. Never saw that before.Looks like they only missed hose ends of water pump ,thermostat housing and water pump pulley flange face on these. By pass hose looks to be installed after paint too. Odd.

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Bob, no mystery, I never questioned that in '67 a Yenko Camaro was available with a hydro lifter 427. I do question much of the other info you posted though.

First of all, you state in one of your posts that in '68 the 427 was factory installed, (Camaro Milestones mentioned this)), to date, no concrete eveidence has ever turned up to prove that even one such Camaro was built. Though Yenko and posibly other dealers got some COPOs in '68, they were the Yenko Sportscar (roadrace) Package, not double COPOs as in '69, which received a larger engine.

As per '69s, there is so much mis-information I am not for sure where to start, excpet to say...Please put down that magazine you are using for reference.

Does this sound familiar?


&quot;....When the cars arrived at the dealership on West Pike Street as L-34-optioned Camaros, Yenko and his small team began transformation. Out came the 396 engines, and in went a Corvette 427ci L72 V-8, rated at 435 HP...&quot; Page 22 Camaro Milestones. I could go on, but.. I think everyone gets the picture.

In closing, I realize on other sites, magazines, etc one can sound important and get folks to buy into what they are saying, but on here one best know what they are talking about before posting.

BTW, I would be very careful in how you approach offering advice on the restoration of these cars, as you think this thread has been harsh thus far, many more sharks in that end of the pool.

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Guys,
Can I get a show of hands as to the following statement from my previous post, remember 1968 Yenko only not 67 or 69 Is this true???

I found this article about the #8021 and it states from the current owner &quot;For 1968 the 9737 COPO comaro was only available to Don Yenko and in fact Yenko was considered the manufacturer for these 68 Yenko Camaro's. However this #9737 COPO package was added in 1968 as per Don Yenko's request to RPO L78 SS Camaro's that were equipped with the 396/375hp big blocks.
The COPO #9737 designation added for 1968 cooling, suspension and brake upgrades along with a 140mph speedometer, heavy duty springs, larger anti roll bar, M21 tranny and a 4.10 posi rear diff. These 9737 COPO's 1968 camaro's were delivered from Chevrolet to Cannonsburg with RPO (regular production order) L78 396/375 hp engines. Yenko's mechanics then removed the L78 396 engine and installed a L72 short block. The original L78 heads and aluminum intake and carb were then installed on the L72 short block.&quot; end quote. author unknown, but pulled from the Las Vegas Clasic cars website.

Cheers: Chris H
ps: does anyone have a Yenko add from 1968

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How about this ZLX Camaro Bob?
Former Kevin Suydam car

....and speaking of answering questions, when are you going to answer mine?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS427</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So did you call Bill and check with him per our discussion and what was his reply? </div></div>

You told me and I quote, &quot;you get me a copy of the Yenko Deuce VINs and I will get you a copy of Dana's Kline Chevrolet invoice&quot;. I think you had the VIN's within a couple of hours and we are still waiting to get our copy. You were worried that people were going to take your copies and search out cars. As I told you on the phone, I don't give a rats ass about the other cars ONLY Dana's. Now you are telling me that you have to ok it with &quot;Bill&quot; who is your partner not only on the paperwork but also the supposed Yenko Camaro you own. Hard to believe that for a supposed $8000 purchase price that you would need a partner especially since you say you &quot;don't need the money&quot; and would not even accept my offer to pay you for the pictures that you have of your original car. By the way, those pictures were first in your possession, then at your dad's and last time I talked to you, they were at Bill's &quot;way up north&quot; as was the car.

You also bragged about your photographic memory though you have contradicted yourself on numerous occassions with me on the phone. Also, how well do you really know Steve Kline? You did not even know he lived in Bloomington, MN when Chad mentioned it. As far as you locating this latest 68 Yenko, Vince had researched ALL the 68's back in 1984 when it was still possible and could NOT locate the car even though as YOU said it was still in the hands of the original owners family.

I am not trying to drag you through the mud Bob but when I do as I was requested and then am given all kinds of excuses as to why I can't get a copy now, that just pisses me off to NO end. Hence the bait and switch comment I made earlier (which) by the way, you called and asked me to retract from this thread as it made you look bad........ It is people like that who destroy this hobby.

At this point I think you need to make good on our agreement or just quietly fade away as you are quickly losing your credibility. With the advent of the internet Bob, this world has become a VERY small place and ones stories are VERY easy to qualify as are addresses, people and phone numbers just to name a few.
Rick

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Hey Bob...

Looks like you've been called out. The hole you're digging is getting deeper.

And tick-tock. I'm still waiting for <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">r</span>eal</span> documentation from you proving me (and now, a host of others who answered) wrong on the ZLX. And how about the L36 passenger car engine use in Medium Duty truck question? Since you have so many GM connections, that should be easy for you to cough up. Oh. Wikepedia et al doesn't count. We deserve real info, not hearsay.

Wayne Scraba

Re: 68 Yenko clone
 

This is one of the reasons why I became a Street Rodder who likes selling Chevy musclecar parts.

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Wayne,

Can a you and a couple of guy's you trust please verify my last post with regards to the 70 cars sent to Yenko in 1968 and what was done to them it would be much appreciated.

Regards: Chris H.

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Hey Chris...

I am certainly not the expert you seek here. I'll defer you to others. I'm just one of the guys who fondly remembered when Motion built and sold ZLX engines way back when... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img]

Take care man...

Wayne

BTW: You have a PM

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Ok, let's recap what we've learned from this thread:
<ul style="list-style-type: disc">[*]in 1969 the automatic Yenko Camaros got the exact same *solid lifter* engine as the 4-speed cars (L72 427/425hp)...verifiable by original Chevrolet paperwork[*]the ZL-X was available over the parts counter, as well complete from some high-performance dealers/engine builders[*]RARELY should believe everything you read in a magazine[/list]Now, how about we return this thread *back* to it's original topic, auschris001 and his '68 clone...

Re: 68 Yenko clone
 

Thanks Rob,

Still need someone to agree on the 1968 Yenko post and the paint.
(from my previous post)

I found this article about the #8021 and it states from the current owner

&quot;For 1968 the 9737 COPO comaro was only available to Don Yenko and in fact Yenko was considered the manufacturer for these 68 Yenko Camaro's. However this #9737 COPO package was added in 1968 as per Don Yenko's request to RPO L78 SS Camaro's that were equipped with the 396/375hp big blocks.
The COPO #9737 designation added for 1968 cooling, suspension and brake upgrades along with a 140mph speedometer, heavy duty springs, larger anti roll bar, M21 tranny and a 4.10 posi rear diff. These 9737 COPO's 1968 camaro's were delivered from Chevrolet to Cannonsburg with RPO (regular production order) L78 396/375 hp engines. Yenko's mechanics then removed the L78 396 engine and installed a L72 short block. The original L78 heads and aluminum intake and carb were then installed on the L72 short block.&quot; end quote. author unknown, but pulled from the Las Vegas Clasic cars website.

Cheers: Chris H
ps: does anyone have a Yenko add from 1968

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Dear Chris,
Contact User name (original owner) for he has sent me information. Real stuff! The guys on this site are not nice to
Bob but he is a nice guy. He sent me original brochures and sheets from Yenko (Real ones for free) He is under (Original owner) screen name. I would contact him for what your looking for. He has a large old collection of paperwork and is now giving it to people he likes for free. As you are doing a restore clone his pictures should be invaluble to you to make sure the car is correct. He will take care of you.

Kirk

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Can a mod please do an IP check. The curiousity is killing me.

Jason

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Lol, thanks Jason. I was wondering when someone was going to ask this.

One comes out of the woodwork every few yesrs. There was Mowtown Madman, then fasttoys, a few more that I forget.

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Ahhhh, good old Motown, he was in for the long haul.


Jason

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IP's check out OK.

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Don't be paranoid fellas !

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: southernyenko</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dear Chris,
Contact User name (original owner) for he has sent me information. Real stuff! The guys on this site are not nice to
Bob but he is a nice guy. He sent me original brochures and sheets from Yenko (Real ones for free) He is under (Original owner) screen name. I would contact him for what your looking for. He has a large old collection of paperwork and is now giving it to people he likes for free. As you are doing a restore clone his pictures should be invaluble to you to make sure the car is correct. He will take care of you.

Kirk </div></div>

Quacks like a duck!

Someone is trying to pull our chain...if not...where's the butt kiss avatar. Please!

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Geez...I remember when certain folks thought that Howard was one of those folks...when he put out a wish list for cars wanted.....

I remember posting some of Howards cool cars...and the rest is history!

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Bob and Bruce,
I think this situation is a little different. Bob indeed sounded like a nice guy and was very nice on the phone. However, after sending him the Deuce VIN list in exchange for the Kline Chevrolet invoice for Dana's Yenko and then hearing all kinds of excuses as to why I might never see it just does not sit well with me. I am about as honest as they come and expect the same in return. I gave him what he wanted and offered to pay for what I wanted in exchange and for Dana's car ONLY and as of yet have NOTHING. He told me that all the paperwork was at &quot;Bill's&quot; house in Northern Minnesota yet proceded to tell me what the invoice said about Dana's car and even read me the VIN number to confirm it. I have done nothing malicious on my end but have received nothing but total B/S in return. The sad fact is, I don't even have anything to gain in all these efforts other than to help Dana (who also spoke with Bob).

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Sorry to hear that, Rick. I honestly don't understand people. And the older I get, the less I seem to understand. In my book, your honesty and helpfulness being taken advantage of is not cool. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/no.gif[/img]

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people, no body was taken avantage of, rick knows why he has not recieved anything from me. talked to the person he is working, for, and explained the problem. the list I got from them, was deleted, never printed. recieved 3 other lists, from other people, do not need theres, talked to dana , owner of car ricks working on , told him the problem, also told him I would hold the paper workwork on his car for HIM. My reason for being on this site waS to give away all the yenko, chev. material I have saved over the years ,begining in 68. As my time is short. leaving today for northern. MN.AS the weather has been bad up there untill a few days ago. to CHRIS working on the 68 clone, will send you the original pictures, when I return, for free. I can either give away my info now, or people can probably buy it on e-bay later.There is now, and never has been, any bad intensions on my part. This is the last post I will give on the negative posts. Bob krueger.

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Why are you giving away paperwork if you are still restoring a 68 Yenko yourself? It is a nice gesture, but makes no sense.


Jason

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Rick, you know what I meant....hopefully...

I dont understand why Bob is doing what he's doing. You are one of the most honest people that i have ever met

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SuperNovaSS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why are you giving away paperwork if you are still restoring a 68 Yenko yourself? It is a nice gesture, but makes no sense.
Jason </div></div>

I'd like to know that too. And if you have all of this pertinent documentation in hand, why were you attempting to provide info on this board that contradicts what most here know to be correct? Case-in-point:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: original owner</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Gentlemen the camaros sold in 67 and 69 with the auto tran's, had hydro, lifters, There H,P. ratings were 1967 410 H.P. 1969 425 H.P. There are no hydro. lifters on L72 427 V8's. ...thank you Bob krueger. </div></div>

It would seem if you have all of pertinent data in hand, you would have been acutely aware of the fact there was no hydraulic lifter 427 1969 Yenko Camaro built.

And before I forget Bob: Where's the real documentation you have on the ZLX and the L36 Passenger Car engines used in Medium Duty Trucks?

Wayne Scraba

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Bruce, your cool and I did not take that the wrong way at all, same with (Bob) Belair. Just venting again. I have only had about 3 days off in the last three months and wasting time is one thing I take VERY seriously. If Bob can provide Dana with paperwork on his car so we can finally trace the one person that has not been found (the original owner) then all is forgotten. Bob also had many original photos of his 68 Yenko when he puchased it new and those would also be priceless to me. I did offer to pay him for copies of those.

I know Bob is being hounded by people wanting to use what he has to their monetary advantage and has received a LOT of calls from those kinds of people. Many of those are guys that claim &quot;they never come here anymore&quot;. I am NOT one of those people and don't want to be treated as such.

Ok, I have said enough on this subject and it is time to move on as I am again wasting time instead of working!
Rick