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Re: Tim Schuetz;s (NAPA68) not so stock 1967 Nova!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TimG</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good to meet you in Chicago, Tim. I loved the '68 Camaro. It was even better in person. </div></div>
Likewise Tim! Keep me in mind for an L79! |
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That is a lot of cylinder head to try and tame down, and I would hate to not continue that valvtrain. Not clear on the bronze dizzy gear statement, we're you having problems?
Going back to the 5 speed makes sense, rather than cutting the seat. You can add a Hurst looking shifter and few will notice. My ego would struggle changing a car you describe so flattering as setting the high water mark for speed in your stable. Wish you all the luck you need on the next phase of the project.HW38E |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is a lot of cylinder head to try and tame down, and I would hate to not continue that valvtrain. Not clear on the bronze dizzy gear statement, we're you having problems?
Going back to the 5 speed makes sense, rather than cutting the seat. You can add a Hurst looking shifter and few will notice. My ego would struggle changing a car you describe so flattering as setting the high water mark for speed in your stable. Wish you all the luck you need on the next phase of the project.HW38E </div></div> You are right Paul as far as the heads are concerned. My feeling, given the size of the engine, that should cover a fair amount. I have a cam in mind for this................but we are going back to the engine builder ultimately. The bronze gear..............cannot get more than a summer out of it with a fair amount of debris in the oil, time to move on. FWIW, yeah............my ego has a hard time taming this down. Again, the car is stupid fast and draws a crowd damn near every where we go. The car is just silly fun [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img] |
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Nice to see an update. Love this car!
Low-12s? Geez... That will be no problem at all!! My '65 Chevy II has a mild 355 (9.6:1 CR, vortec heads, 217 @ .050" cam, performer manifold, q-jet), a M20, and 3.36 gears. I've had it at the track exactly ONE time with this combination. It was only my second time drag racing with a stick. With a soft launch (bog), and a Terrible 60 ft time (2.0), it ran 12.9x @ 108 mph. No powershifting. 11s should come easy for you!! |
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Not sure I understand the "lot of head to tame down" comment. It's 422 ci. How does that runner CSA compare to a L72 427 rectangular port head? I'll bet it's still a much smaller port to feed the same size engine. If you cam it right, I don't see why you couldn't have a civil engine with those large ports. If it was a 327, that might be a different story. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]
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65 or 75cc chambers? I dont think the heads will be the issue as you can make them work with the right cam. Did you get a wear pattern on the gear during install? Also I assume you are running a cam button.. Couple other things.. When you pull the cam look at the gear. Does it have any burrs or sharp edges? That'll eat one up too. Also have you tried a slip collar distributor? Just curious if the block and/or intake stack up could be off and causing the gear failure.. Just throwing out ideas.. Its a really sweet ride and looks amazing. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]
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Re: Tim Schuetz;s (NAPA68) not so stock 1967 Nova!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: novadude</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure I understand the "lot of head to tame down" comment. It's 422 ci. How does that runner CSA compare to a L72 427 rectangular port head? I'll bet it's still a much smaller port to feed the same size engine. If you cam it right, I don't see why you couldn't have a civil engine with those large ports. If it was a 327, that might be a different story. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img] </div></div>
If the question you are asking is the CC's of the intake port, they are 227's. I believe the L72 840 heads to be in the high 200's if not higher. Certainly, there is more to the puzzle from SBC to BBC (i.e. valve angles) The size of the engine should help quite a bit as well as the weight of the car. |
Re: Tim Schuetz;s (NAPA68) not so stock 1967 Nova!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">65 or 75cc chambers? I dont think the heads will be the issue as you can make them work with the right cam. Did you get a wear pattern on the gear during install? Also I assume you are running a cam button.. Couple other things.. When you pull the cam look at the gear. Does it have any burrs or sharp edges? That'll eat one up too. Also have you tried a slip collar distributor? Just curious if the block and/or intake stack up could be off and causing the gear failure.. Just throwing out ideas.. Its a really sweet ride and looks amazing. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] </div></div>
I cannot remember the size of the chambers Darrell. I'd have to look it up. The compression measured out to a calculated 10.6:1. The pattern on the gear is good. It has a button in the timing cover and the "walk" was measured when it was built. It looks like there are more options that I did not know about (cam cores and distributor gears) when I wrote that reply. I can get a better core from Comp that will work with a melonized distributor gear. That should solve everything. The wear on the bronze gear is normal from what I am told. I just hate seeing all of that crap float in the oil. |
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Thanks for the kind words guys. I am enjoying myself working on this car again.
Tim |
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You cannot compare runner cc's from different engine families, as port lengths are different. The engine response to CSA (cross sectional area) changes. It doesn't really care about cc's. cc's are just a convenient way to compare CSA changes, since the cylinder head intake port length is relatively fixed for a given engine family.
My point was that the cross sectional area of the BBC L72 head is HUGE compared to even a large aftermarket SBC head. No reason why a 422 SBC with a 227 cc head can't be as "civil" as a L72 427 BBC with even larger ports. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif[/img] |
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Tim, this car should get into the very low 10's w/ a pair of slicks on.
Looks great Mike |
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I'm working on the Nova this morning, getting ready to get the motor out...............and I'm about as far as I can go as I wait for someone to help me lift it out.
Not much I can do so, in lieu of getting into the beer, I'll post some pics................. http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/...pstdqffckw.jpg http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/...psrtc2b0xp.jpg http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/...psekrbojab.jpg |
Re: Tim Schuetz;s (NAPA68) not so stock 1967 Nova!
Parts have started to roll in. The hydraulic clutch set up, I frankly was never happy with. It always seeped brake fluid, and did not allow me to adjust the clutch as it wore (I probably have been a bit rough on the clutch [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img])
I found this set up the mounts the slave like they do in the 1st and 2nd gen F bodies, should be much stronger than what I have mounted to the firewall. http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7znubr4w.jpg I also found this slave set up. Rather than the slave in the bell housing, this mounts to 2 of the bell housing bolts...............and then utilizes a conventional fork and thus, adjustable. http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/...psu7e9txxl.jpg I am going move away from a fixed proportioning valve, and install an adjustable for the rear brakes. This will allow me to clean up the plumbing as well. These 1st and 2nd gen Nova's are difficult to get full throttle out of. This Lokar pedal in a nice clean install and will solve any operational issues. http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/...psbwakd3dp.jpg |
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Had to do cable pedal too.
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I found my victim here this morning......................Actually, Tracey helps me with this rather often.
She was actually glued to the Fezell cars (I DVR'ed the Saturday coverage) http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/...pspblpjwdj.jpg http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/...pswfbftdg8.jpg And were out! http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8dkjvk8y.jpg |
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Looks cool and you are having fun too.
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Very cool Tim, so was she really diggin' it that much. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]...carry on.
Mike |
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I have always loves your Nova [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]
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Pretty classy helper you have there mister .............
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So where are you headed Tim, I mean with the reconfiguration. What parts are you keeping and what is coming out?
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where did you get the engine tilter on the manifold? The one I have is light enough I dont like it
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m22mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Very cool Tim, so was she really diggin' it that much. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]...carry on.
Mike </div></div> LOL!. She was quite entertained.................with Mecum. Helping me.................well ya know! She admits that she lost count on how many times I have had this car apart in the 13 years I've owned it. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kwhizz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pretty classy helper you have there mister ............. </div></div>
Agreed. Somedays................not sure what she sees in me! |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So where are you headed Tim, I mean with the reconfiguration. What parts are you keeping and what is coming out? </div></div>
The engine is headed to the engine builder tomorrow. We spoke today. I would think the duration would get pulled down to around 240 degrees and open up the lobe center to around 110 degrees. We also spoke of possibly going to a dual plane manifold. The M22, Ramrod, and most other things will stay. Just want some more manners. I felt if I landed around 520-530hp with this many inches it should have much better manners yet still be a pretty stout combination. I'll try to keep the carb (950cfm) , although later on I would entertain switching to fuel injection. Before I send the headers out to be coated, I'll weld in some O2 bungs. The engine builder told me to expect about a month's time. I suppose I'll spend the money to dyno it again to see where we are at with power, torque, and A/F ratios. I gave some thought to redirecting to a true Day 2 theme. I have a lot of money invested in the parts that are here and they work very well. The car has tubular front control arms, rack & pinion, CE Slide a Links, Ford 9", etc.,etc. It would be more than I care to spend to make the car more authentic. Tim |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Billohio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">where did you get the engine tilter on the manifold? The one I have is light enough I dont like it </div></div>
This is the first time I used it Bill. I would highly recommend! |
Re: Tim Schuetz;s (NAPA68) not so stock 1967 Nova!
After a bit of brainstorming, this is a good candidate for the cam I am going to use.
http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/c...d=305&sb=2 |
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Also have been working on some little things. Naturally, there is no such thing as a bolt in. Just getting everything fitted for the clutch master. Had to grind on the mounting plate for the master as it hit the inner fender.
http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/...ps36htkjwb.jpg After some finessing, looks like the master is mounted correctly, and will provide the right geometry for the pedal ratio. Just have to tidy up some wiring. http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/...pspizq0hhm.jpg I hate the red on the master, so it needs to be black..............Nice masking paper eh? http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/...psetgtzasj.jpg |
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Back from the machine shop....................
New cam, new RPM intake, new attitude! http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/c...d=306&sb=2 The shaft rockers I have are a 1.6 ratio, so that will put the lift at or above .610" Gotta get working! |
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That is perdy Tim! Having it dynode maybe?????
Dave 67 Nova Boy |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 67 Nova Boy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is perdy Tim! Having it dynode maybe?????
Dave 67 Nova Boy </div></div> Decided not to. I'll save the $500. I'll hit the chassis dyno to dial it in. I'm told the 530 mark should be an honest number |
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I've kept hammering away at the Nova this weekend.
Scuffed and repainted the engine............ http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/...psvvbvcnhc.jpg http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/...pszfdwwbe8.jpg Installed the gauges in the radio delete panel http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/...pstdrxci8w.jpg Installed a different master cylinder, adjustable proportioning valve, and ran new brake lines..... http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/...pspjp5owfa.jpg Did the final install in the new clutch master and linkage......... http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/...pse97e2dyt.jpg Just gotta tidy up some wiring and wait for the headers and misc parts to comeback from the powdercoater. |
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Looks great, Tim!
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I agree, all looks good. The intake really looks sharpe! Can't wait to hear your driving impressions. Good Luck!5
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I am diggin' your masking paper Tim, old school.... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]
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Was just reading up on your recent changes to the car Tim. Just curious but what oil pump you were running? A lot of guys run high volume high pressure pumps and they are very hard on bronze distributor gears. I just ordered a new billet roller cam for a build I am doing right now and have been warned by a few friends to run a normal oil pump with standard volume and pressure. That alone is supposed to really help limit the wear on the bronze dist gear. I guess I'll know when I start changing the oil a few times. Motor is finished up this week and can't wait to run it. Gonna order up one of the Mac's Tilters.
Looks like your having fun anyways! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img] |
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Looks so cool.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NorCam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Was just reading up on your recent changes to the car Tim. Just curious but what oil pump you were running? A lot of guys run high volume high pressure pumps and they are very hard on bronze distributor gears. I just ordered a new billet roller cam for a build I am doing right now and have been warned by a few friends to run a normal oil pump with standard volume and pressure. That alone is supposed to really help limit the wear on the bronze dist gear. I guess I'll know when I start changing the oil a few times. Motor is finished up this week and can't wait to run it. Gonna order up one of the Mac's Tilters.
Looks like your having fun anyways! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img] </div></div> The new cam is on an iron core............no more bronze gears. I do have a high volume pump. It's just what the engine builder prefers for this type of application. I did speak about the whole pump versus gear discussion. In short, he asked me if I'd rather change a dizzy gear as opposed to a cam. No real good way around it. Certainly, big valve springs do not help matters......... We will see. Should have it running in a few weeks or sooner! |
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