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THE SAFETY CHAINS IN THESE PICTURES WON'T STOP CRAP FROM HAPPENING!

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Did he tow with load leveling sway bars on the hitch? They look like these.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...DSCN0299-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...DSCN0300-1.jpg

Second, did the airbags deploy in the truck?

-Dave

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You might as well attach the chains with PAPERCLIPS!

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Those are the typical chains that come with most trailers. I replaced them, when I got my new trailer a couple yrs ago. I bought heavy 7/16 chains and heavy hooks to attach to the truck. I always hook up the 12,000 lb load leveling bars too...... but if you have a panic stop and the trailer/truck jack knives like this one did, I bet it's all gonna come apart, no matter what kind of equipment is back there. The real answer is to SLOW DOWN, PAY ATTENTION,in case you do have a panic stop, and have a bunch of insurance on the truck, trailer and the car.

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Honestly I believe that trailer companies that use such substandard crap should be held fully liable. PERIOD!

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THE SAFETY CHAINS IN THESE PICTURES WON'T STOP CRAP FROM HAPPENING!

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Did he tow with load leveling sway bars on the hitch? They look like these.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...DSCN0299-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...DSCN0300-1.jpg

Second, did the airbags deploy in the truck?

-Dave

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I was more concerned with whether the trailer in the accident had those leveling sway bars. I know when towing a U-haul for example verses our enclosed 24ft, those sway bars make a huge difference.

However, now that you bring attention to the safety chains, I will look into replacing them with heavy duty chains. Although as previously mentioned, in the God forsaken event that tragedy does strike while you are towing, I don't know how much HD chains would help. I guess I just never want to find out. Moral of the story, drive safe, slow, and continuously check over the trailer, tow vehicle, and vehicle being towed while on the road.

-Dave

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Yes levelers will help the pullability (is that a word? NO lol) immensely... we use proof chains and attachments... the Reese would rip off the frame before the chains would break.

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Yes levelers will help the pullability (is that a word? NO lol) immensely... we use proof chains and attachments... the Reese would rip off the frame before the chains would break.

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Can you elaborate on what type of proof chains and attachments you use? Where did you get them? Details?

Thanks,
Dave

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THE SAFETY CHAINS IN THESE PICTURES WON'T STOP CRAP FROM HAPPENING!............However, now that you bring attention to the safety chains, I will look into replacing them with heavy duty chains.

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I had a hitch malfunction in a turn while towing a boat, one chain snapped and the other held. The tongue came around and slapped the left side of the truck. Fortunately low speeds and an empty road prevented disaster. HD chains the correct length and shackles NOT HOOKS, a smart step up for safety.

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Just some info on trailer balls in the 2 5/16 balls vally trailer hitches have balls that are rated from 6,000 lb to 30,000lb and the shank sizes go from 1 inch on 6,000lb to a shank of 1 1/4 on the 30,000lb ball. It is a very tragic thing that happened to this guy and am glad to hear he is ok. I know I changed my ball from a 10,000lb to the 30,000lb after I found out there was a higher rated ball just to be safe and the price was not much more and also installed chain with a rating of grade 80 for tow trucks .I would of thought the place that sold him the trailer and the new hitch would of gave him the right ball for the trailer but you never know .

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friend of mine just bought the 1969 camaro and its going to calif to be rebuilt by a retire bodyman in wallace calif

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friend of mine just bought the Camaro today and its going to Valley Springs Calif to be rebuilt

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camaro is headling for calif to get rebuilt

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Got it, it's off to California.

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Where is it going https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

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The car was totaled by Encompass insurance only 2 weeks ago, they paid 50,000.00 reqested the car and the ball to settle. it was the owners understanding it was going to the salvage pool, as he inquired about buying it back. it has a salvage title as the title had to be transferred in to Encompass's name and received by them before they issused the payment which they did.

Jim

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I wouldn't recomend either of the 2 grades/types of chain that have been mentioned in this thread.

"Proof Coil Chain": is very low quality and is better known as Grade 30 or Sysyem 3. The next chain up the the gradient is Grade 43 or System 4, this is the minimum grade desired for safety or tie-down. The best chain is the next grade up, Grade 70 or System 7,also known as Transport chain, with this chain the next smaller size has the same tensile strength as the next larger size of System 4. In other words, a 5/16" System 7 chain is equivalent to a 3/8" System 4, Grade 80 chain or System 8 is required by OSHA/MSA for overhead lifting, it works well in this application but is not suited for shock absorbtion or tie down use.

As far as Stainless Steel balls, you need to know what type stainless the ball is made from. Austenitic (300 series) stainlesss is very resistant to corrosion but can't be heat treated, it's tensile strenght is equivalent to a grade 2 cap screw. Martensitic (400 series) is less resistant to corrosion but can be heat treated. 400 series stainless cost less than 300 series. After heat treatment it is equivalent to a grade 5 bolt in tensile strength. There are other S/S available but you most likely won't see them available in these aplications.

Personally, I would stay away from "cast" balls and use only forged or those machined from a solid piece of steel and then heat treated.

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Laugh at me if you'd like, but I discovered something that surprised me about trailer towing not that long ago. I sold my last trailer years ago when I "officially quit" drag racing so now I rent them when needed. A little over a month ago, I had to go to the local U-Haul place to get a trailer because the normal outfit I used was totally booked. After I slid the drawbar into the receiver on my pickup truck, I greased the ball. The U-Haul guy looked at me like a deer caught in the headlights. When he finally recovered, his only comment was: "I've been renting trailers for more than ten years and I've never seen or heard of anyone greasing a ball". My response was pretty simple: "You never grew up on a farm with my (late) Father. He'd have had your ass for not doing it."

Now, I know a few of my old drag racing buds still grease trailer balls whenever they hook up the trailer. They couple and uncouple easier. They don't make a lot of racket when you tow and they never seize up (can you imagine something simple like a ball joint if it never saw grease?). My pal Alf Weibe likes to tell the story of how he got his butt chewed by his wife on one of her few trips to the track...wearing white slacks. She encountered the receiver on his unhooked-Suburban...and the rest is history. But I digress.

So are Alf, me and a few other guys I regularly hang out with the only ones who hate the squawking when you pull a trailer with a bone dry ball and hitch? Or am I (and a few other old farmers) missing something?

Putting my asbestos fire suit on now <g>.

Wayne Scraba

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My balls are greased! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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...guess that makes two of us<g>.....ha ha!

Wayne

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My balls are greased! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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I am constantly greasing my balls https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif
(.....and everything else connected to the seven gang Jac's) The Seventh fairway is bumpy and I hate squeaks!!

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Ha! I figured (hoped?) I wasn't alone...

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/laugh.gif

Wayne

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where is the car again? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

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" The best chain is the next grade up, Grade 70 or System 7,also known as Transport chain, with this chain the next smaller size has the same tensile
strength as the next larger size of System 4.

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So you're saying grade 7 would be a better chain to use on trailer coupling, that grade 8?
What would be the best dia chain in grade 7 to use on trailers?

Also, what about the hook? Wouldn't the hook be just as important? Also, the way the chain is attached to the trailer is important, I would think.

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Bill,

3/8" chain would plenty for safety chains. Yes the hook is equally important (they are graded as well), that's why the new term is system 7, referring to a match set of equal strength components. Grade 80 is not designed to absorb shock, so yes, system 7 is the best for towing applications. I use grade 8 bolts and nuts with thru-hardened washers to attach them to my trailers.

Hint: If your going to buy some system 7 chain and hooks, call your local heavy duty truck parts dealer and ask for transport tie downs in system 7. He should have them in 5/16" & 3/8" in either 20' or 25', You can buy a chain assembly with 2 hooks cheaper than you can buy the chain by the foot

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Thanks Howard. I was looking at a couple sites that sell tie downs, towing chains, etc....and you're right. It's cheeper to buy a grade 7 tow chain, than to buy chain by the foot. Thanks again!!

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the shipper will be picking up the camaro sometime this week and off it goes to Calif i will post picture of the camaro as it being rebuilt

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so you say the car will be going to California? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

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Where?

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All doubt is gone now about which state the car is heading to; https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gifI wasn't fully convinced until the fourth mention of California.

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LOL

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Is Valley Springs in Northern or Southern California? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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Jim does your friend has any picture of it befor it got wreck would like some i am the one that going to repair it . Been a auto bodyman for 50 year would real like some picture you can e-mail me at [email protected]

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it is in the Northern of Calif near Sacramento Calif

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The car was paid for Monday and the shipper is picking it up in the next two days and heading for calif to me where i can started to work on it i have fix lot more car worse then that

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Very cool!
Post some pics of its progress!

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I wonder how much the salvage title will affect the value of the repaired car when it goes up for sale?? Not to mention the extensive online documentation of the damage.

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SHIPPING WAS FAST SHIPPER PICK UP THE CAMARO FRIDAY AT 3:00 PM AND CAMARO ARRIVED IN BURSON CALIF AT 4:30PM MONDAY CHECK OIL AND WE JUMPED THE BATTERY AND IT STARTED RIGHT UP NOW THE WORK BEGUN FUN FUN https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

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any pics

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Hi i need right and left door for this 1969 camaro anyone have doors you can e-mail me at [email protected] with picture and price

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<span style="font-style: italic">...Spent my days with a woman unkind, Smoked my stuff and drank all my wine.
Made up my mind to make a new start, Going To California with an aching in my heart.... </span>