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New here but far from new to the Insurance Industry. First off if you report to your Co or not they have already or will be notified. DMV, NICB, etc all report losses especially of that amount. Makes no sense not to go through your own policy especially where you have the other Co admitting 100% fault which in NY is unheard of unless rear ended.

Your Co would have paid for the claim and went against the other Co for reinbursement. Being a collector car Ins Co? they would have guided you through the process a lot easier.

That car should have been inspected in a repair shop where an initial tear down fee would have been negotiated to determine real damages. With a hit like that to that type on unibody car I couldn't imagine the indirect damages that aren't being seen. There is more to just dollar amounts in regards to a vehicle being a total loss. How long will it take to repair? Will the repairs at that cost be safe? Are the parts needed readilly obtainable. Already you are seraching for parts?

What you paid for a car especially in an inflated market has nothing to do with the cars value especially to a third party carrier. They would find comparables which you get to examine and come up with a value at the time of loss.

How are you going to claim diminished value when the car has been painted before? Once it has been previously repaired what are you going to use as your basis for a claim? You are choosing the shop not the carrier? If it can't be fixed to pre loss condition it is a TOTAL LOSS.

Stop trying to go behind the scenes and just call your Co and be upfront you might be surprised what that gets you. Plus do you not think ins Co workers are car guys They do not come on these boards? Guarantee someone has seen your 8 page story.

Not trying to be the bad guy just trying to open your eyes a bit. I would have this thread erased and proceed in a different way.

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Why erase the thread?
The only reason I can come up with is to hide the fact that the vehicle was in an accident... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif
If not please elaborate.

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And I thought I was doing so well https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif

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Yes, Streetrace69, please elaborate on why this thread should be erased. in my opinion, i don't think anything needs to happen with this thread.

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I own a collision repair shop & who cares who reads these threads. We are all knowledgeable men who are discussing in an open forum our opinions on the repairs to be made. We hope all parties involved in researching & locating the proper parts to repair this vehicle are paid such as they deserve.We also hope he gets a job well done & know Insurance Co. or adjuster for that matter steers him differantly from any proper repairs owed for & possibly anything the shop might need to know about proper items, such as parts that might be specific to 70 Z only .... & so on.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Streetrace69...TimG, the owner of the car is in the insurance business and probably knows it better than anyone here except maybe Howie before 7:00pm.....

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Glad to here things are working out!

Love that car https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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And I thought I was doing so well https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif

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You certainly are Tim. You have plenty of people you can call on when you need help. Get her back together. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Streetrace69...TimG, the owner of the car is in the insurance business and probably knows it better than anyone here except maybe Howie before 7:00pm.....

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Thanks Charlie... now I have to clean the coffee off the monitor... ROTFLOL.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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Hey I use Norms thoughts on CHEERS about thinking after 7:00 pm. It has to do with Indians & Buffalos. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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Hey I use Norms thoughts on CHEERS about thinking after 7:00 pm. It has to do with Indians & Buffalos. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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"Well ya see Norm, it's like this... A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members.

"In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the lowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we all know, kills brain cells, but naturally it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers."


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THANK YOU......THANK YOU VERY MUCH https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Thanks guys, I think Charley should just trade me Z for Z. Maybe a little cash should go his way..........

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I've got four pictures of the tear down, can I forward the pictures for someone to post? I tried, but they're too big.
They pulled the area where passenger fender mounts and the door opens OK. No visible damage to the firewall.
The engine and transmission are being pulled next week and were looking for a sub frame. We may have a line on an original RS front.
Powder coat or paint the sub frame?

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Sure Tim, send them to me and I'll post them for you

[email protected]

I'm really sorry about your car...it's such a beauty!

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Thanks Randy, I appreciate your help.

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Here are Tim's pics....I'll be posting more for Tim as the repair progresses.....

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...roRepairs1.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...roRepairs2.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...roRepairs3.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...roRepairs4.jpg

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Well we have a nice sub frame for the car that will be cleaned up and painted. We also have a set of 1970 used fenders. They’re non Z28, so the holes need to be welded and new holes for the Z28 emblems need to be drilled. The fenders will be stripped and prepared for installation. We have a nice RS front end and grill, too.

The hood should be an easy find since there’s nothing special about a Z hood and they used the same hood for years. I’m still having a shop do the work since they have to tools and they can do any supplements that need to be submitted to the insurance company. I’ll photograph the progress when the sub frame comes off.

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On the hood issue, I don't know about the second gen Camaros but the second gen Firebirds definitely had different underhood bracing changes from 70 to 71, 72, etc, and up. Anybody out there have any advice on this?

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glad it's getting repaired... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Glad to hear the wheels are in motion Tim. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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Randy, hope you got my PM. It shows that it wasn't sent and I've been having trouble sending messages.

The subframe is ready to go on the car and all the parts are in hand. I should have some new photos when the subframe is put on the car.

Thanks for checking....... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif

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Any time you need pics posted Tim, just send them over and I'll make sure they get posted. Such a great car, it needs to be on the road again!


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I went to visit the Z28 today and I’m going to take tomorrow afternoon off to take pictures and do some cleaning as long as the sub frame assembly is separated.

The sub frame looks kind of cool sitting there with the engine and transmission in it. The shop has found a nice used RS front end and fenders. They had bought a used hood, but when it arrived, they were very disappointed and chose not to keep it. There was some unacceptable damage to this original hood.

The shop is tempted to order a reproduction hood and I’m wondering if any members have some input about using a reproduction hood. Is the fit and quality good?
Should I press him to find an original hood?

I’ll get some shots to Randy to post tomorrow.

Thanks.

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To me the last resort is a repop anything. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif JMO

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Tim,

You can get an original GM '70 hood for less than $150 (plus shipping). No reason to go reproduction at all.

Dan

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There are a couple of guys at www.nastyz28.com that always list sheet metal for sale in the classifieds. Do a search there for hoods. Pretty sure there is something there.

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This guy has a 70 hood.

http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showth...highlight=hood

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Thanks for the leads...... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/laugh.gif

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Here are Tim's recent pics of the car dis assembled and the new sub frame ready to be installed......

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...roSubframe.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ronewframe.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nginetrans.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ansmission.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...roTrans70W.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...oTrans70W2.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...maroTunnel.jpg

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Thanks for posting these pictures, Randy. I took pictures of the casting date and transmission tag, too.
The picture Randy posted is of a stencled 70W on the transmission. The tag has CW on it.
Has anyone seen the stenceled code on an M40 before? They are in perfect condition.

The picture with all the drips is of the transmission tunnel, I did no cleaning, it looks that good.

It’s interesting to note that the casting date of the block is D 14 70 and the engine was built the next day, April 15, 1970.

It was fun cleaning everything on Friday afternoon before the components are moved to the new sub frame. The VIN is clearly by the oil filter on this Norwwod car.

I’m happy with the work the shop is doing and we’re making efforts to make this repair as good as possible.

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The picture Randy posted is of a stencled 70W on the transmission. The tag has CW on it. Has anyone seen the stenceled code on an M40 before?

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They are in fact fairly common. I ssee them on most low mileage original cars when I tear them down. This is an exact stamp copied from an original on Mark Mitchell's Chevelle.

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n...n_IMG_3913.jpg

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I think the stamp on your trans would be 7CW, not 70W. Very cool!

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I bet you're glad you kept the car now, eh?

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Yes, the code is 7CW, not 70W. Thanks.

I am glad I kept the car, it's still a beauty.

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Everything is moved over to the new sub frame and the sub frame is bolted to the body. The shop is going to start the car Monday before all the sheet metal is bolted on to be sure everything functions properly. The old sub frame did take a hit, the motor and transmission mounts all broke. The engine and transmission are fine as the sub frame and sheet metal took the brunt of the hit. All of the suspension was moved to the new sub frame without breaking apart the original ball joints, I preferred they not risk damage to the original components. The front control arms, drag link, wheels, tires, and brakes were moved as a unit after compressing the springs. It was very bulky, but the best way to make the move. I’ll get more pictures of the car running with no sheet metal.

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I believe that Randy is going to post some pictures of the painted fenders and hood for the Z28. We were able find nice used, original parts including the RS endura bumper. The shop doing the repairs got the car running with no sheet metal to make sure that the engine and transmission worked well. I wasn’t there, but it must have been a sight seeing a Z28 going down the road with no fenders or hood. The inner fenders were not damaged and fortunately they were able to use these again.
The battery was damaged in the accident and I’m not a fan of the green Interstate battery that they put in the car.

I like the picture of the new hood with the old, crumpled hood and fenders in the background.

The work is progressing nicely, the assembaly should take place next week and the last item is replacement of the dated windshield. With any luck the Z28 should be done within a few weeks.

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After a brief hiatus [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif[/img] I can now post Tim's pics of the progress he is making....



Here is the car with the new sub frame installed and the engine back in...also the inner fenders are installed

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nerfender2.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nerfenders.jpg


new front fenders all painted and waiting to be installed. Note, Tim told me that all original parts were found and reconditioned for use so no repops were used at all.


http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...aroFenders.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...roFenders2.jpg


Here the new hood sits all painted and stripes already added waiting for installation....note the old hood leaning up against the wall....


http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...hoodoldnew.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...aronewhood.jpg



As work continues to progress I will post more as Tim sends more.