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So cloning a Grumpy race car, who's name is as much or more ICONIC then Yenko is OK, but a new Yenko, no?

And mis-leading? You honestly think musclecar enthusiasts are not going to know the differences between my 2010 Yenko and 1969 Yenko?

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I'm just hoping someone decides to get one with a vinyl top to match their '69. Would love to see that on a modern car. Wonder if the new model could "pull it off"??

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Tom,

I myself am a Yenko owner and cannot wait to see your 2010 Yenko Camaro leave some tire marks on the track. I can't imagine anyone not going crazy (in a good way) when you pull up to a car show with your two Yenkos. What a treat that will be to any spectator. I challenge anyone that would think a crowd of spectators would get insulted and feel cheated out from that experience. Isn't this what it is all about? Taking your car out, no matter what it is, and enjoying your time with your family and friends. I am missing something here. Just my opinion.

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Mr. Bradley you have said this three times. I think we GOT IT!!

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Thanks Kim, he was making my head hurt.

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Any price ideas on the new cars? I wish they made hide away headlight options on the rs 2010 camaro.

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Mine too!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Mr. Bradley you have said this three times. I think we GOT IT!!

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Thanks Kim, he was making my head hurt.

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Mr Shauger, Take 2 aspirin and call me in the morning https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif

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So cloning a Grumpy race car, who's name is as much or more ICONIC then Yenko is OK, but a new Yenko, no?

And mis-leading? You honestly think musclecar enthusiasts are not going to know the differences between my 2010 Yenko and 1969 Yenko?

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There are quite a few 1969 Camaro Yenko clones out there now https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif. A 2010 will never be a clone or a real yenko...At this point I'll let you experts debate the subject further. I don't want to PO Kim anymore..........

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One final comment. The term trade name and trade mark do not refer to the same license or property right and I have sometimes referred to them like they are the same(my bad).

For example Coca Cola has a logo which is protected by a trade mark. Coca Cola also has a trade name property right known as Coca Cola and does business under I assume another name Coca Cola Bottling or something like that which is also a property right. They also have an intellectual property right to their recipe for the cola.

I return you now to your regularly scheduled program.

Re: 2010 Yenko/SC Camaro
 

I can give two sh!ts about who owns the name "Yenko" and its making my head hurt, but one of these 2010 camaros named after a dead guy is like going to see Elvis in concert next week???? Yenko was awesome and a true car guy but using his name to sell cars is crazy and disrespectful. Just my two cents, carry on??? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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It can also be looked upon as a tribute to Don Yenko.

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I can give two sh!ts about who owns the name "Yenko" and its making my head hurt, but one of these 2010 camaros named after a dead guy is like going to see Elvis in concert next week???? Yenko was awesome and a true car guy but using his name to sell cars is crazy and disrespectful. Just my two cents, carry on??? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif "I`m all shookup" "Thank you, thank you very much"

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I think it is a great idea to build these new camaros up. I just don't know why we have to use the Yenko, Nickey, Baldwin etc. platform anymore. I think the people involved doing them should come up with their own version of a name. If it is not called a Yenko or whatever will it be less of a car? Call it The Stefano or The SCW camaro. Do you think you need the old names to market these new hot rods.....I don't. Is Berger Chevy going to call there new camaro a Yenko? How about Tom Henry? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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That's what I was thinking as well Sam.

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It can also be looked upon as a tribute to Don Yenko.

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Which is exactly what Dale Earnahrdt's Intimidator SS's were-a tribute to his good freind. Commissioned and partnered with GM,trademarked by him, and sold through his chevrolet dealership.

It's all good
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I can give two sh!ts about who owns the name "Yenko" and its making my head hurt, but one of these 2010 camaros named after a dead guy is like going to see Elvis in concert next week???? Yenko was awesome and a true car guy but using his name to sell cars is crazy and disrespectful. Just my two cents, carry on??? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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I AGREE.

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Tom,

I myself am a Yenko owner and cannot wait to see your 2010 Yenko Camaro leave some tire marks on the track. I can't imagine anyone not going crazy (in a good way) when you pull up to a car show with your two Yenkos. What a treat that will be to any spectator. I challenge anyone that would think a crowd of spectators would get insulted and feel cheated out from that experience. Isn't this what it is all about? Taking your car out, no matter what it is, and enjoying your time with your family and friends. I am missing something here. Just my opinion.

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I for one would not go crazy over a 69 Yenko, let alone a so called new Yenko. Many people would see the new car as a badge and sticker fake, with no history or pedigree. A car built on anothers fame.

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Are Political Threads any worse than this one??? Enough already......... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Nope, Lets do politics! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

Re: 2010 Yenko/SC Camaro
 

This is like pee-ing in the pacific to see the water level rise compared to the Storm brewing after old Carol Shelby's (NOS) ticker stops pumping blood!

Build it all 10 of them,,,, https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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It can also be looked upon as a tribute to Don Yenko.

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That would be fine if you did a tribute to Don and the Yenko Family and all the profit earned should go to charity instead of the pockets of people trying to sell cars with his name. Im done, carry on!!! Mark https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Re: 2010 Yenko/SC Camaro
 

Lets refocus this thread on its original intent, the car itself. What unique features, availability and pricing. Possibly a member has an idea for an option. If you are not interested that's fine but this threads intent was to enlighten those that may be interested in finding out more about the proposed 5th generation Yenko.

FWIW I am not in anyway involved in this project, but find the negativity of some of the post disturbing.

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Mark, You know what I have been thru with my car!! Hell my car is real!!! I don't get where your coming from. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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A portion of profits should go to the family for name sake. Also, what about all the yenko items? They should own the trademark. 2 cent, cousin of 50 cent. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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I don't think Shelby can die I think he will just keep installing reproduction body parts and live forever. He is already the longest living heart transplant survivor in history. His new CEO Amy Boylan hired an expert and cleaned up all his trade mark and trade name issue's. Those rights will pass to his assigns and there will be no problems if Ole Shel ever passes.

In regard to the 2010 Yenko it sounds to me like a great idea and will be a great tribute to Yenko and introduce a lot of young people to the original cars and their legacy.

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A portion of profits should go to the family for name sake. Also, what about all the yenko items? They should own the trademark. 2 cent, cousin of 50 cent. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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The sYc would like nothing better then to see a portion of any item sold that is related to Yenko built/sold cars, past and present, go to family members and/or a charity of their choice. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Mark, You know what I have been thru with my car!! Hell my car is real!!! I don't get where your coming from. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Kim I know you had trouble with your car but it was a REAL car not some made up sticker/mod package from a dealership that no longer exists. If someone has a 69 Yenko and wants to buy a 2010 and make it look like the other car then they have that right, but to build a new car and use an old name is like reinventing the wheel. Im just saying that you could build a kickasss car with all new performance & technology and give it its own identity. Lets get back to INOVATION AND NEW IDEAS and make something that no one else has ever thought of and build it dont live in the past and move into the future.

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Like I said before, I am all for the new camaro and the go fast mods. I just think a new name and a new future is in order for the camaro. The TC Special sounds good to me! let the all new car have its own identity from the rest! There is enough Yenko cars and stuff out there that no one will ever forget Don's legacy. Time for a new kid on the block and it might be you or Stef, Tom. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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I don't think Shelby can die I think he will just keep installing reproduction body parts and live forever. He is already the longest living heart transplant survivor in history. His new CEO Amy Boylan hired an expert and cleaned up all his trade mark and trade name issue's. Those rights will pass to his assigns and there will be no problems if Ole Shel ever passes.

In regard to the 2010 Yenko it sounds to me like a great idea and will be a great tribute to Yenko and introduce a lot of young people to the original cars and their legacy.

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Of course Shebly won't have any problems....they are a publicly traded company since 2003. (NASDAQ: CSBI) Most don't ever realize he did this 6 years ago. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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This whole subject of new Yenkos is really a sensitive subject to a lot of people. Mr. Clary's comparism to Grumpy cars is without merit though because no one is building a fleet of "Grumpy" cars for sale. I DID think that the Indian motorcycle comparism earlier was interesting though. Now that was a company that didn't even exist anymore that was resurrected and the final product looked worthy of the Indian name. Does anybody remember public opinion when that was announced? I think it was excitement by motorcycle enthusiasts and very little negative. This has been done before, and really not very long ago, with Matt Murphy and his fleet of Dick Harrell 2002 Camaros and before that it was his ZL-1's. I thought those were well recieved. On on the other hand, I think we've all heard of Mr. Shelby's disdain and legal action against "Cobra" kit cars. If it was up to him, the only Cobras that would exist would be the ones that he manufactured. Heck, I'm sure that kit car Cobras VASTLY outnumber the real thing. It is a free country so people are allowed to build, buy, and drive whatever they want. If anybody doesn't like it, I guess they don't have to buy it or even acknowledge it at a car show. That's all from my end.

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Like I said before, I am all for the new camaro and the go fast mods. I just think a new name and a new future is in order for the camaro. The TC Special sounds good to me! let the all new car have its own identity from the rest! There is enough Yenko cars and stuff out there that no one will ever forget Don's legacy. Time for a new kid on the block and it might be you or Stef, Tom. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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Yeah what Sammy said!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Going public with his latest company didn't solve his long standing issues with the use and misuse of his trademark and other property rights. Anyone can take a private company public that doesn't resolve any intellectual property matters.

From my observations it wasn't until Amy Boylan came along with her previous experience at Mattel Inc. and the merchandising rights she learned about at mattel that Shelby
finally was able to stop all the companies using the Shelby name on memorabalia and the myriad of different products people were selling with his name and logo on it. She then focused on selling anything and everything with his name on it and generated huge sums of capital for him to build cars along with Ford's funds and input.

Because she knew the right law firm from her experience at Mattel she was able to stop the unauthorized use of the Shelby name and preserve it for whomever he designates the rights after he passes.

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Going public with his latest company didn't solve his long standing issues with the use and misuse of his trademark and other property rights. Anyone can take a private company public that doesn't resolve any intellectual property matters.

From my observations it wasn't until Amy Boylan came along with her previous experience at Mattel Inc. and the merchandising rights she learned about at mattel that Shelby
finally was able to stop all the companies using the Shelby name on memorabalia and the myriad of different products people were selling with his name and logo on it. She then focused on selling anything and everything with his name on it and generated huge sums of capital for him to build cars along with Ford's funds and input.

Because she knew the right law firm from her experience at Mattel she was able to stop the unauthorized use of the Shelby name and preserve it for whomever he designates the rights after he passes.

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Close, Shelby began the battle before Amy came aboard, although you are correct she has done alot for the company. Shelby regristered his trademark(s) ten or more years ago and regristered them to a "trust". The trust will survive long after he is gone. I do not know who the beneficary of the trust is, I would suspect the company, but it could be an heir who would recieve royalties. You just hit on the big difference between what Shelby did as a company verses Yenko. What none of us know is the Shelby trademark is considered an assest of the corporation

Re: 2010 Yenko/SC Camaro
 

I think Shelby's intellectual property issues started in the late 60s and he tried to resolve it with a several different law firms over the years none of which were very effective but like auto racing the team with the most money usually wins and not a lot was invested early on.

I thought Amy would be a disaster for Shelby not having an automotive background or being a "car guy" but they both seemed to realize how important the Shelby brand was and she soon cleaned up that decades old mess real quick and left the car building to the car guys and the results from a business and car performance stand point have been nothing short of amazing. The income form the Shelby memorablia has been incredible.

I think the key difference between Don Yenko and Shelby is that Shelby survived and that the Yenko heirs have never apparently tried to resolve the matter.

It looks like Joel Rosen may have finally gained some control over his intellectual property rights?

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I have been reading all of the various opinions on this subject and would like to add my 2 cents. First I want to say that I appreciate all cars, including well done clones, and feel that there's room in the hobby for all as long as they aren't presented as the real deal.
Regarding the production of a 2010 Camaro Yenko; I tend to agree with the few who have posted that feel we should leave the original Yenko legacy as is and not try to represent these cars as Yenkos. If Don were alive and had a hand in the concept / construction of these cars I would feel differently of course.
What I would like to see would be a 2010 Motion Camaro; Mr. Rosen and Mr. Schorr are alive and well and a modern interpretation of a Motion Camaro from these two individuals would be welcomed with open arms by many I'm sure.
To Mr. Clary, I wish you luck in your new venture regardless of how I may feel about the concept. I can't afford one; not that it matters, and I'm sure I'll appreciate the car no matter what.

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Dave,
Joel introduced new Motion camaros a few years back at SEMA. I don't know how many sold but I think not many? Joel is not turning wrenches anymore and building cars and essentially licensed someone to build cars to his approval using his Motion brand name.

Not sure how a company Joel gives a license to use his Motion name is any different than Tom getting approval from the Yenko heirs to build a new Yenko? Which it seems to me is not much different than Stefano obtaining the license from the Stephani's to build new Nickey cars or Norm Kraus giving permission to Bill Sefton to build new Mr. Norm's cars. I realize some of those guys are still around to stamp their approval on the new cars but are they not still all tribute cars?

As far as I know Shelby is still the only guy going to his auto manufacturing facility which he still owns and operates and building and designing cars and directing how things are done? Shelby to some extent is still involved in the day to day stuff at Shelby Automobiles.

And of course the Berger family and Tasca familiy are still going strong and sound like they will be building some great cars just like back in the day. Tasca has been turning out fantastic modified Shelby's and Mustangs for a while now. A 2010 600HP Berger camaro would be really cool.

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Kim I know you had trouble with your car but it was a REAL car not some made up sticker/mod package from a dealership that no longer exists. If someone has a 69 Yenko and wants to buy a 2010 and make it look like the other car then they have that right, but to build a new car and use an old name is like reinventing the wheel. Im just saying that you could build a kickasss car with all new performance & technology and give it its own identity. Lets get back to INOVATION AND NEW IDEAS and make something that no one else has ever thought of and build it dont live in the past and move into the future.

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Sooo, what changed your mind in 3 years? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

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The Badest Berger Car Yet!!!

I just received my Sept. issue of GM High-Tech Performance and it has a KICKASSS article about Berger's 2002 DH Wide Body Camaro. It not only made the cover but it has twelve pages to back up this Last New Muscle Car... The orange one on the cover belongs to Val Harrell and it is an awesome machine... I was told by Dick Jacques of Berger to list this article and let the public know that there are still two of these killer cars available... Dick can be reached at 616-293-1850 Here are some pictures:

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Rob a lot of things have changed my mind over the last 3 years. I am a new father of twin boys that just turned 4 months, a new respect for old race cars, and looking forward to new technology for street/strip cars. I wish you all the luck in your new endevors but I think its a bad idea to bring a name from the past to sell cars. This has been done too many times by Chevrolet with the LS6, LS7, LT1, etc. I think if your going to make a new car give it a new name to let it stand out on its own. From what I have seen that Nickey Chicago has for sale it doesn't look that difficult to make a badasss car so give it a new bad asss name. Its just my two cents, like I told you at Jim's wake "Life is too short to worry about the small things". Hopefully we can talk next weekend at the show, I look forward to hear how your suburban is doing. Mark

Re: 2010 Yenko/SC Camaro
 

I agree, why not create a new Legacy? Back in the day these guys were not well known and were selling cars based on the performance, not so much the name.
Fast Forward 40 years and now those names sell the cars. I am sure the Yenko name will certainly help you sell more units than an unknown name. But the fact remains, it is not produced by Yenko, so it honestly a Yenko?
Good luck with it. Do you have any renderings?

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I don't see anybody jumping on the NEW Dodge Hurst. George Hurst is a dead guy too!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif We have something else to do besides this B S . https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

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Last time I checked Hurst was still in business. These cars are modified by Hurst not someone just someone want to capitalize on the Hurst name.
James