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I believe that each office had a supply of plates to work with

"back east" you used to be able to tell what county the plates were issued from based on the prefix letters. I assume each office was given a large supply of plates to issue from and there must have been some sort of "regional" issuing office that serviced all the dealers in their "territory" that is why you will see some plates with a "later" letter prefix that may have been issued before and earlier prefix

best guess here

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Actually, the Golden State made a feeble attempt at the same county identification scheme as back east in the 70's when the 7-digit numbering sequence for standard issue (non-personalized) plates was introduced. Plates that had sequences starting with "1" were for Sacramento County residents, "2" were for LA county, "3" were for Orange County, "4" were for San Diego County, etc. I'm not sure what happened, but it was dropped a few years back.

I had "XJZ 951" a (late '68) '69 RS/SS from Gledhill Chevrolet, and "YZN 712" an April '69 Z from Selman Chevrolet. My November '68 '69 RS/SS has blue tags.

JB

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My 68 Z28 is from Selman Chevrolet and was a 02E car with VNK--- on the original black plates I still have.

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California Black Plates

OK, so here is where we are at with this so far :

VNK 123 ... March/April 1968

XFM 863 ... 12A build 12/19/68 SOLD, 124379L511946
XJZ 951 ... Late 1968
XMG 755 ... 10C VN built, sold 11/30/68
XOL 721 ... 09A 124379L500xxx
XON 123 ... May 2, 1968
XRK 691 ... OJ 1969 Camaro
XTY 659 ... 12-06-1968 Sold, 124379L510865


YOW 597 ... 12/23/68, 124379Lxxxx
YXB 405 ... 4/4/69
YZN 712 ... 4/xx/69

ZQY 367 ... 9/15/69
ZVX 549 ... 10/9/69
ZZA 219 ... 5/01/70 (?)

Need more submissions to add to the list here...

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Mine was from 07/69.....

ZVM 073

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YMP 718 124379L500578

YAB 739 124379L503396

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YZU --- 04B built, sold 6-6-69

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This may get long...

Lets see where it all goes...

updated:

VNK 123 ... March/April 1968

XFM 863 ... 12A build 12/19/68 SOLD, 124379L511946
XJZ 951 ... Late 1968
XMG 755 ... 10C VN built, sold 11/30/68
XOL 721 ... 09A 124379L500xxx
XON 123 ... May 2, 1968
XRK 691 ... OJ 1969 Camaro
XTY 659 ... 12-06-1968 Sold, 124379L510865


YAB 739 ... 124379L503396
YMP 718 ... 124379L500578
YOW 597 ... 12/23/68, 124379Lxxxx
YXB 405 ... 4/4/69
YZN 712 ... 4/xx/69
YZU 123 ... 04B built, sold 6-6-69

ZQY 367 ... 9/15/69
ZVM 073 ... 7/xx/69
ZVX 549 ... 10/9/69

ZZA 219 ... 5/01/70 (?)

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So with ZAA 000 , where do we feel this ALPHA began?

Note, I gotta think that somewhere in here any affect to our GM cars may reflect the strike out here in Van Nuys.

I forgot the dates where that strike lasted that year...

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Short of contacting someone who worked at DMV(or Folsom https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif) involved with dissemination,it's going to be very hard to establish a definitive timeline with these.

1968 was the first year CA DMV began using random access computer for processing basic registration documentation.

Also unless you have a definitive first date of sale, assigning an alpha to a build date/VIN won't really be conclusive as some were titled the day they rolled off the truck- and others sat on lots for months. Purely speculation, but i would say there weren't any W 69 MY's, and no Z suffix cars sold in calendar year 68. X and Y were shuffled up- look at that very early 09A car Charlie listed(one of the first off) and the other 09A listed and they are both Y&X respectively. If I had to guess Charlies car sold later than the other 09A example. Then throw the regional series deal into the mix along with a sprinkling of early release blue base and it's muddies it further.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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A general timeline is only what we can gather.

With ALPHAS moving in and out of the timeline, we can only hope to generate possible Black Plate assignment possibilities to promote those who wish to assign AVAILABLE California Black Plates to Titles and Cars.

Lets keep this an open submission and hope to gather possible selections for further use.

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This is my third week of November 1967 built 68 car. It may be possible that a VZ plate was issued very early in 68 but likely as stated above W for 68.

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Here's a couple more:

VYV 007 124678L314967 11D body date (68 SS 396 Camaro Conv)

YIP 023 124379L511982 12A body date (69 Z/28)

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03C ZUZ 433 124379L527246

04C YZU 128 124379L529646

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Remember, this is just to approach possible lineage.
Not to be exact, of course.


Updated :
California Black Plates

VNK 123 ... March/April 1968
VXE 716 ... 10/xx/67
VYV 007 ... 11/xx/67

XFM 863 ... 12A build 12/19/68 SOLD, 124379L511946
XJZ 951 ... Late 1968
XMG 755 ... 10C VN built, sold 11/30/68
XOL 721 ... 09A 124379L500xxx
XON 123 ... May 2, 1968
XRK 691 ... OJ 1969 Camaro
XTY 659 ... 12-06-1968 Sold, 124379L510865

YAB 739 ... 11D 124379L503396
YIP 023 ... 12A 124379L511982
YMP 718 ... 124379L500578
YOW 597 ... 12/23/68, 124379Lxxxx
YXB 405 ... 4/4/69
YZN 712 ... 4/xx/69
YZU 123 ... 04B built, sold 6-6-69
YZU 128 ... 04C 124379L529646

ZQY 367 ... 9/15/69
ZUZ 433 ... 03C 124379L527246
ZVM 073 ... 7/xx/69
ZVX 549 ... 10/9/69
ZZA 219 ... 5/01/70 (?)

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Here's the earliest LA built 69 Camaro I've had... don't know when it was originally sold.

YIA 052 124379L500471 08E body date

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Based on the list including only date of sale cars you can fine tune the chronology.



XFM 863 ... 12A build 12/19/68 SOLD, 124379L511946

XMG 755 ... 10C VN built, sold 11/30/68
XON 123 ... May 2, 1968
XTY 659 ... 12-06-1968 Sold, 124379L510865


YOW 597 ... 12/23/68, 124379Lxxxx
YXB 405 ... 4/4/69
YZN 712 ... 4/xx/69
* YZU 123 ... 04B built, sold 6-6-69

* From this very late Y suffix you could guesstimate the Z intro was July..




ZQY 367 ... 9/15/69

ZVM 073 ... 7/xx/69
ZVX 549 ... 10/9/69
* ZZA 219 ... 5/01/70 (?)

* This last one is very near the end run,but with Joe's Nova being ZVM and sold 7/69, 5/70 seems out of order- unless it was a plate issued from a branch for a lost or stolen replacement.. local offices held older stock for months later. Whether or not DMV went all the way to ZZZ 999 with blues already well into circulation is open for debate. I know when the state did the wholesale switch from yellow to black in 62 i'm fairly certain there weren't any Z suffix yellow base issued- they stopped at Y. JMHO

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* This last one is very near the end run,but with Joe's Nova being ZVM and sold 7/69, 5/70 seems out of order- unless it was a plate issued from a branch for a lost or stolen replacement.

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Hey Mark, I listed when I took possession of the car. I actually ordered it in May of '69. Does that make a difference?? I can go find the actual registration cards if I have to!! Don't want to mess this whole thing up with mis-information.
Joe C.

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Hi Joe, your good- only counts when the dealer put those temp paper tags on her;)
Personally I think as long as you have the correct year reg tag for your car, they are so clueless as to sequence you could walk in to 75% of branch offices and assign a pair of ABC 123 series plates on a 69 and they would not know the diff. We are far more passionate than them and all Arnie cares is that the program generates revenue!

Of course it floods the shows with black plates,but white base reflectorized are just wrong on these. At least we both have the satisfaction of knowing ours are original to the car!
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Here's the earliest LA built 69 Camaro I've had... don't know when it was originally sold.

YIA 052 124379L500471 08E body date

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Updated :

California Black Plates

VNK 123 ... March/April 1968
VXE 716 ... 10/xx/67
VYV 007 ... 11/xx/67
XFM 863 ... 12A build 12/19/68 SOLD, 124379L511946
XJZ 951 ... Late 1968
XMG 755 ... 10C VN built, sold 11/30/68
XOL 721 ... 09A 124379L500xxx
XON 123 ... May 2, 1968
XRK 691 ... OJ 1969 Camaro
XTY 659 ... 12-06-1968 Sold, 124379L510865


YAB 739 ... 11D 124379L503396
YIA 052 ... 08E 124379L500471
YIP 023 ... 12A 124379L511982
YMP 718 ... 124379L500578
YOW 597 ... 12/23/68, 124379Lxxxx
YXB 405 ... 4/4/69
YZN 712 ... 4/xx/69
YZU 123 ... 04B built, sold 6-6-69
YZU 128 ... 04C 124379L529646



ZQY 367 ... 9/15/69
ZUZ 433 ... 03C 124379L527246
ZVM 073 ... 7/xx/69
ZVX 549 ... 10/9/69
ZZA 219 ... 5/01/70 (?)

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Based on the list including only date of sale cars you can fine tune the chronology?


YOW 597 ... 12/23/68, 124379Lxxxx
YXB 405 ... 4/4/69
YZN 712 ... 4/xx/69
* YZU 123 ... 04B built, sold 6-6-69

* From this very late Y suffix you could guesstimate the Z intro was July..




ZQY 367 ... 9/15/69

ZVM 073 ... 7/xx/69
ZVX 549 ... 10/9/69
* ZZA 219 ... 5/01/70 (?)

* This last one is very near the end run,but with Joe's Nova being ZVM and sold 7/69, 5/70 seems out of order- unless it was a plate issued from a branch for a lost or stolen replacement.. local offices held older stock for months later. Whether or not DMV went all the way to ZZZ 999 with blues already well into circulation is open for debate. I know when the state did the wholesale switch from yellow to black in 62 i'm fairly certain there weren't any Z suffix yellow base issued- they stopped at Y. JMHO

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"Based on the list including only date of sale cars you can fine tune the chronology?"

I am just using what is supplied here.

This is a start.

Dont try to be too exact here until more info can be submitted.

Many of us have been watching these plates for years.

I have several sets to use or sell that could suffice 1969 needs in the may on area.

While not knowing all criteria needed to establish more precise results,
this list should be added to to attempt to support some sort of use;
whether it be your original car or one you would like to come close with.

Many of us dreamt the day California would allow us to use our BLACK plates for such assignments.

So, now is the time and here we are.

Lets try to build more submissions here to create a better and more broad list to use."



"* This last one is very near the end run,but with Joe's Nova being ZVM and sold 7/69, 5/70 seems out of order- unless it was a plate issued from a branch for a lost or stolen replacement..
local offices held older stock for months later.
Whether or not DMV went all the way to ZZZ 999 with blues already well into circulation is open for debate.
I know when the state did the wholesale switch from yellow to black in 62 i'm fairly certain there weren't any Z suffix yellow base issued- they stopped at Y. JMHO"

I will tell you that that so far that a 5/70 is not acceptable for a Z plate.

My Camaro, as a 1969 March build, was a 000 AAA BLUE plate in early 1970.

So, dont concern yourself in thinking that this is an exact list.

Let this play out some over a short period of time so as more people can submit more info towards the list.
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* ZZA 219 ... 5/01/70 (?)

* This last one is very near the end run,but with Joe's Nova being ZVM and sold 7/69, 5/70 seems out of order- unless it was a plate issued from a branch for a lost or stolen replacement.. local offices held older stock for months later. Whether or not DMV went all the way to ZZZ 999 with blues already well into circulation is open for debate. I know when the state did the wholesale switch from yellow to black in 62 i'm fairly certain there weren't any Z suffix yellow base issued- they stopped at Y. JMHO

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In re: to my old plate ZZA 219 ( go back and read post #412923 - 07/28/09 on pg.5 )
From what I recall the DMV branch I went to seemed like a small neighbrhood operation ? Keep in mind this was not a new car issure, and I most definetly got it after the May 1 1970 date.
Could that plate have been sitting for some time on the shelf ?
Neat thread. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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That we can all guess is plausible...
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

How rural an area was this ?

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I would not call it rural, it was somewhere close by to Inglewood. Heck that was along time ago.

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I received my registration and 2010 tags for my reassigned black plates yesterday. I had the plates assigned at the Concord DMV on July 1st.

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I have read of 1 other person getting their tags, looks like we are on the way. Do you have standard month and year stickers? did you get a metal add-on tag extension?

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Yes, the registration came with the standard month & date stickers and two metal plates.


Dan

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I received my registration, decals, and metal plates in the mail today. My trip to DMV was on July 6th. I sure hope that there is a way to avoid using the metal tabs that were sent to me!!!

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I sure hope that there is a way to avoid using the metal tabs that were sent to me!!!

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Could you elaborate on this Metal Tabs suggestion???

I missed this part...sorry https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/blush.gif

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http://www.oldpl8s.com/tab-dmv.jpg On the the attached webpage, there is a photo of two aluminum tabs that DMV is sending out with the registration and stickers. They dont fit the corners of the plates, and will look pretty funky bolted on the car with the plates. I take it they dont want new registration stickers installed over the YOM registration sticker that we had to have to get the plates assigned in the first place??!!

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What do the instructions say to do on the tag wrappers?

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I fixed the link in the above post to go directly to the photo of the tabs. The registration stickers provided are the standard issue that have the instructions for installing them as usual directly to the plate. When my registration packet arrived to include the aluminum tabs, it was the first I'd seen or heard of them. No instructions provided....

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Finally got my stickers today. They did come with the 2 tab plates. I talked to the DMV directly about these. They said they are not meant for these License plates, only the old 50's plates that don't have the 2 wells. So don't use them.