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Did anyone else catch the COPO Vin comment by the other on stage guy with the little camera ?
He said something like....You can go to the "COPO Connection" , they have ALL the Vin's for all the COPO's built... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Mike

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who owned the 3 in a row re-bodied car's in question here?

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I WAS WATCHING LAST NIGHT AND I AGREE THEY SURE DID GIE THIS CAR ALOT MORE TIME ON THE BLOCK THAN OTHER CARS. THE CAR SEEM TO STALL MORE THAN ONCE AND THEY KEEP ON PUMBING THE CAR.

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Gary Holub owned the rebodied cars. He is usually very up front about what he has that is a rebody. He disclosed two of them very clearly but the ZL1 he was not as clear but the sale price reflected that most probably knew.

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The current listing on the BJ website does disclose the ZL-1 as "Rebodied"

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I think the cars that came after the Zl-1 may have been affected by the bidding and comments during the ZL-1 auction. I think that the folks from Barrett Jackson may have hurt themselves by allowing these cars in thier auction...My feeling is that a person wanting to buy a Boss 429 Mustang wont want to pay more than the value of a ZL-1!! ( Just an example)Unfortunately, the whole world saw what we all saw but they do not have a clue about the real story on any of these cars.......the ZL-1 is a benchmark car for values...

....also, just to clear up my comments about Reggie and the ownership of this/these cars....I know this was discussed in another thread here some time before the auction...but, please correct me if I am wrong...the three cars..one being the Duece..the other being the green Yenko Camaro, and the third being the ZL-1 were all owned by Gary Holub..and all are supposedly/apparently? rebodied at some point early in thier lifes...and apparently the owner is very open about the history of the cars...unfortunately, Barrett Jackson said some things about the cars that were not even close to reality..and the buyer probably had no clue...also I believe that Reggie had owned this same ZL-1 at some point prior...maybe Im wrong about that...many people have questioned me about who owned the ZL-1..and the other cars...Im just going by what Ive read here and other sites lately..I have no personal knowledge...again, please correct me if I am wrong...hope that clears it up..

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Gary Holub owned the rebodied cars. He is usually very up front about what he has that is a rebody. He disclosed two of them very clearly but the ZL1 he was not as clear but the sale price reflected that most probably knew.

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my problem is the remarks Barrett Jackson made about the 'history' of the ZL-1...besides the whole fiasco of the auction itself.......I missed the Green Yenko auction...what did that sell for? ..but the Deuce was very clear that it was rebodied..although the 'ax' story was pretty weak... jmo

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What's with that blond headed wood pecker looking idiot that bids but never buys?

[/ QUOTE ] you took the words right out of my mouth.... his visor makes him look like a visble plant to me..

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I think he was using the visor to hold his mullett back. Did he eventually buy anything or was he just sucking up TV time?

I think this is the second year that I don't recall seeing the big time buyer who always wore the Univerity of Tennessee cap. Is he out of the market? He seemed like a pretty shrewd buyer who knew what he wanted rather than just sit in the front row and bid on everything that crossed the block because he could.

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...and yes Reggie was prior owner of ZL-1...here is a link showing advertising as such at the auction https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYRWSKl6doA

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Wasn't the green Yenko bid to $325 at Mecum and did not meet reserve? I think the waters were tested at Mecum and it was felt that it might go higher at Barrett-Jackson. Woulda, coulda, shoulda!!!

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I think this is the second year that I don't recall seeing the big time buyer who always wore the Univerity of Tennessee cap. Is he out of the market? He seemed like a pretty shrewd buyer who knew what he wanted rather than just sit in the front row and bid on everything that crossed the block because he could.

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or the clown in the Ferrari hat or the guy in the white t-shirt that they tried to stick with the Motorama $4 million dollar bus or any of the guys from that B-J scam TV show (with the exception of the guy with the shaved head)..all I watched was a couple of hours on Sat night but it`s like the circus came to town, and Speed put it on TV.

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Karen and I watched this "circus" and couldn't believe what we saw happening on national television https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/blush.gif When Jackson and company get tired of this gig, they should try running a 3 card monte game on a street corner some place....it would be a step up https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/mad.gif


wilma https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif


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Hey, kid...wanna buy a COPO..??

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my opinion is that re-bodied car's shouldn't be getting the Saturday Night Fever limelight... they certainly don't deserve that fiasco... i'm very disappointed in some things from an integrity standpoint.... the green car DID have a Reggie Jackson nameplate on the front bumper, and it definately appeared to me that he was bidding it up for someone... play back the tapes carefully, and you'll see what I mean..

on the other hand, the Gwynn limelight auction was a very sobering and tearjerk timeframe, what a ultra classy guy. What he and Rick Hendrick did was emotional, and from the solid value core of the heart strings..

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I missed what ever it was that Rick Hendrick did that was emotional but I laughed my ass off when he bought the 2010 Camaro and everyone thought it was the greatest gesture in the world. Lets see, Hendrick gets factory backed support from Chevrolet, Chevrolet dontates the 1st public 2010 Camaro to charity. Isnt that kind of like me giving you 1,000,000 bucks and you giving me half of it back? WOW, great gesture!

Something needs to be done about the announcers criticising the bidders for not spending high $. I dont know how many times Steve or Craig got on the mic to bitch about people not spending money. They sound like a bunch of whiney little brats.

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I'd like to know how the ZL-1 was represented to B-J and if anyone in their organization is aware of the true story surrounding the car. I am not sure how extensivly Steve Davis researches the cars they select for consignment. We sold a 70 GSX Stage 1 car last year and while on the block, they basically described the car to the audience exactly as we wrote the ad copy.

Mike Mancini

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Did the Preston & Lawrence Yenko do $270K? Nice oem paint car but not much in successful race history, national event wins, or world championship titles.

Jerry

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Just because a car was not successful on the track does not mean it does not hold value, and vice versa. I can name several examples of cars that were not very successful that sold for big dollars and other cars that won regional and even national events that sold for less. Racing success is only one of the many factors that determine a car's worth.


IMO, the P/L racecar is one of the most desirable Yenkos out there, regardless of whether it was successful on the track or not. I thought it would do better, heard from one collector who was unable to attend say he would have gone 350. Having to follow the other cars, and being from the Holub collection hurt it. Even the announcers were unsure in how to describe it.


In the long run I do not think the "circus" surronding the selling of these cars will hurt our hobby, but certaintly a black eye for "supercars", and worse yet, Holub, Reggie and B/J.

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So what was the deal with the black 69 COPO Camaro? It was consigned by Joe Amato, did he buy this car at last years auction? $97K seemed cheap.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Anyone know the story on this black COPO? what's the lot #?

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I'd like to know how the ZL-1 was represented to B-J and if anyone in their organization is aware of the true story surrounding the car. I am not sure how extensivly Steve Davis researches the cars they select for consignment. We sold a 70 GSX Stage 1 car last year and while on the block, they basically described the car to the audience exactly as we wrote the ad copy.

Mike Mancini

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On TV they said that there was a "last minute" change to the auction bill that disclosed that the three cars were rebodies. The announcers said that Sunglasses Steve fully explained that fact each time the three cars went across the block. (Of course, that explanation magically didn't make in on the air) I would like to hear from someone that was there if that was in fact what happened.

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I'd like to know how the ZL-1 was represented to B-J and if anyone in their organization is aware of the true story surrounding the car. I am not sure how extensivly Steve Davis researches the cars they select for consignment. We sold a 70 GSX Stage 1 car last year and while on the block, they basically described the car to the audience exactly as we wrote the ad copy.

Mike Mancini

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On TV they said that there was a "last minute" change to the auction bill that disclosed that the three cars were rebodies. The announcers said that Sunglasses Steve fully explained that fact each time the three cars went across the block. (Of course, that explanation magically didn't make in on the air) I would like to hear from someone that was there if that was in fact what happened.

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Hum... wonder if the dude who ended up with the ZL-1 got the memo? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Re: Barrett Jackson COPO Camaro
 

Chuck, I remember a rumor floating around Bremerton Raceway about 20-25 yeaars ago that Jim Bruns was running that body and the trim tag had been sold for $25k. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif At the time the car was red and one of the fastest and most consistent. Again I said "RUMOR". https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif Jim

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If you think the ZL1 auction was pathetic to watch on TV talk about watching it in person. That was a dead stale mate at 200k when Reggie bid it up to the 300k area. Spanky was about to put the hammer down and Craig interferred saying "hold on!" as the car was still considered a "deal." Again I see a trend of buyers becoming more educated. 50% market value deduction for a rebody. Yenko Nova for 70k, the ZL1 for 300k. I like how the seller tried to sweeten the deal by including Yenko items. The one car that wasn't a rebody - the yellow car- brought market value for a Yenko Camaro/M40. I see no value in the rebody cars what so ever. Especially without the original components, you're paying a premium for what, the vin number? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

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I think we can all officially agree that the B-J circus show has "jumped the shark."*

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark

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LOST my reply, while copying below pics........ARGH!!!!!!!!!

Interested to read why this community refers to a created, mfg, cloned #27 ZL-1 69 Camaro as a rebodied Camaro.

#27 that everyone saw on T.V. Saturday night has only ONE born with assy line part, the VIN TAG. Each and every other part on that car was imported from another 69 Camaro or bought new (N.O.S.).

There must be other rebodied projects where some/much of the born with sheetmetal, trim powertrain, trim tag was transfered to another body shell.

Where do YOU draw the line on what is defined as rebodied and where do you start using the defintion of deceit and recreation ??????????

Most of the sheetmetal and trim of the #27 ZL-1 remains in Wash State to this day....my below multi colored car is now solid red. Not sure who owns car now, but people like Jim Bruns, and Dave Barcelon surely must.





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Re: Barrett Jackson COPO Camaro
 

I find it interesting that the silver deuce brought 100k. If a rebody is 50% less, then does that mean deuces are worth 200k? I'm not sure if deuce owners should be outraged, or happy. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

I believe the P/L car should have gone through 1st. It had the solid pedigree. I too though it should have brought more.

Open question: How do you sell a car like the silver deuce for example,in a highly public forum, that is openly called a rebody. Where pictures exist, that show hidden vins have been welded/changed in the car, and not draw the attention of any state, or federal DOT enforcement people?
If changing vins to the extent that has happened here is a federal offense, where are the feds? And if you register, or title this car in your state, have you also not committed fraud?
If Howie's standin on the street corner sellin weed and the cop say's "what are you sellin", and Howie says "fine grade tobaco mixed with alfalfa, even though it's weed, well, that's one thing. But if he says, I'm sellin weed, I bet he gets arrested. What's the difference? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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So the story goes like this... George Washington had an axe and he broke the handle...so he pulled out the little metal wedge from the top of the handle and removed the remaining piece of the handle...in the mean time he sent the axe head out to be sharpened but the guy sharpening the axe head ruined it by grinding it too much...so good old George, not thinking nothing about the future of his axe, went and found a used axe head that was already sharpened and bought a new handle and went and used that old " original wedge" to put it all back together again....so is it still the original axe???? I live in a historic town in Penna. very near where George once roamed...if I find this exact axe...what is it worth??

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Speed Commentator (Mike Joy) comments really got me....

"A rebody is kind of like George Washington's AX, it just got another handle-but is it still Geroge Washington's AX??"
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That was the craziest thing I heard til the voices in my head asked me; "If Mike Joy needed a colonostomy, could he still be called an axehole?"

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I posted this on TC, but it applies to this thread too...

If you use that same "George Washington's axe" arguement, you should be able to use this analogy...

I am sure that most people have seen an episode or two of "Antiques Roadshow" or at least heard about someone that had a highly desireable piece of funiture or antique and when they brought it to an appraiser, they had either cleaned it up too much or sanded and refinished it. The appraiser always says that "in its original condition, it would have brought 'X' money, but since you cleaned/refinished it, it has been DEVALUED to 'X' money."

The same should apply to the cars (legal issues aside) if they are trying to make the comparison. A rebody should never be worth close to the price of the original article.

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Ken, It must have something to do with the venue & hype. It kills me that a rebodied Deuce can pull 100+ comm when my 1 of 50, COPO #9738 Nova, with original Gibb Chev documents, can't hit that mark. I think the buyers leave their brains at home https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

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RIGHT OUT THE BLOCKS B&L TRYED TO EXPALIN WHAT HAPPENED WITHT THE GREEN ZL/1 HIS EXPLAINTION WAS WHEN THE CAR WAS SO LOW THAT REGGIE SAID HE WOULD LIKE TO BID BUD IN ORDER TO DO SO HAD TO GO THE FLOOR TO BID. AND IN FACT REGGIE HAD OWNED THE CAR AT ONE TIME. TO ME IT SEEMS THE OTHER WAY AROUND LIKE THEY ASKED REGGIE TO GO DOWN AND HELP WITH THE BIDDING IN ORDER TO GET THE PRICE UP. LET NOT FORGET B&J MAKES MONEY ON EVERY CAR SOLD. SO IT IS BETTER FOR THEM IF THE CAR SELLS FOR MORE. I HAVE NO PORBLEM WITH A REBODIE AS LONG AS EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS UP. SO OF US WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO AFFORD A REAL ZL/1 AND THAT MIGHT BE THE CLOSEST WE EVER GET.

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I have only attended one auction with a friend who happened to be very knowledgeable with how auctions work. It was fun to go there with him, but I don't think I would attempt participating without some prior instruction.

In regards to this car, it appears to me that this car is well known for having "issues". And this isn't the first car with issues that has been discussed here, or known to be suspect.

For my clarity and learning,are there any solutions/options (aside from the buyer doing their due diligence) to prevent this type of thing happening on a regular basis?https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

Elon

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Hey guys, I just uploaded the auction of that Fathom Green ZL-1 for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiLf56NlDPc

Mike

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Mike,

i don't think the link works

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I CAN NOT GET THE LINK TO WORK

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Mike: the video is set to private status it looks like...

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Did the Preston & Lawrence Yenko do $270K? Nice oem paint car but not much in successful race history, national event wins, or world championship titles.

Jerry

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Are you implying this car is not/was not recognized as a famous Yenko sponsored race car? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif If so then you are making a rediculous statement. The Preston & Lawrence Yenko is one of the only photographed and documented Yenko Camaros in Yenko published advertising, and probably the second most famous Yenko race car next to Ed Hedrick's car. It is even pictured in the opening pages of the Yenko Parts Catalog. I would rank it in the top 5 most desireable Yenko Camaros on the planet, I doubt I'm alone in that thought. If it I'd say it was one of the better buys of the auction.

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Joey, if I am not mistaking, the original Ed Hendrick car has not been found yet right?

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You are correct. It's never been located.

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RIGHT OUT THE BLOCKS B&L TRYED TO EXPALIN WHAT HAPPENED WITHT THE GREEN ZL/1 HIS EXPLAINTION WAS WHEN THE CAR WAS SO LOW THAT REGGIE SAID HE WOULD LIKE TO BID BUD IN ORDER TO DO SO HAD TO GO THE FLOOR TO BID. AND IN FACT REGGIE HAD OWNED THE CAR AT ONE TIME.

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I saw that, and Mike Joy left out the part about Reggie withdrawing his final bid when it appeared he might actually be high bidder....pretty important piece of info, don't you think?

I did not see the original auction, so I'm assuming the accounting of it on this thread is true. If not true, I withdraw my criticism.

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Joey, if I am not mistaking, the original Ed Hendrick car has not been found yet right?

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Everyone, including Ed, has been looking for his old racecar, with no success. Unless restored, would be pretty easy ID, as Ed made some pretty drastic/obvious changes.

IMO, THE most desireable Yenko, not only because it was a Yenko sponsored racecar, but because class Ed is such a class guy. He is all the time emailing Rob racing tips. Really cool to get tips from someone who ran with the Grump.

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REALLY sorry about that. Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

Just changed it to "public", here ya go...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiLf56NlDPc

Mike