Re: Sweet '70 L78 Nova on Ebay
 

Oh, Ok then I am the a$$hole.

You guys are going to be busy then "helping out all the uneducated buyers" as you call them since you are going to be critiqueing everything from 16K drivers to 150k supercars. It seems like it is always the same guys doing the bashing of the cars. If it makes you feel smart, an expert, or you feel that you are doing the world a service to point out all that is wrong with a 16K driver than have fun!

Re: Sweet '70 L78 Nova on Ebay
 

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Oh, Ok then I am the a$$hole.

You guys are going to be busy then "helping out all the uneducated buyers" as you call them since you are going to be critiqueing everything from 16K drivers to 150k supercars. It seems like it is always the same guys doing the bashing of the cars. If it makes you feel smart, an expert, or you feel that you are doing the world a service to point out all that is wrong with a 16K driver than have fun!

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I didn't see anyone calling you names - either directly or implied. Save the hostility. Two of us involved in the discussion also offered up our cars for your scrutiny. Have at it.


I agree.... it looks like it would be a fun driver. Personally, I'd pick THIS one first over the red one if I could choose between the two. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2437589291

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Re: Sweet '70 L78 Nova on Ebay
 

Good Morning Frank [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img],
I kinda looked at the car the same way you did--a driver with some drivetrain issues to be addressed.Some people pointed out what a correct Nova should/shouldn't have ,that's OK I'm not a Nova expert and it is up for sale and not just being shown as someones car so it's an education and fair game.I still think it was an up-front presentation for what it was,the seller dressed up the outside,which looks well done,but he still left in most of the modifications in his statement, that would alert someone with car knowledge to question them.Some people though ,Frank would look at this car thru (PERFECT) eyes and later on would be sadly dissappointed.Still looks like a car to play with.Anyway go to the lounge and have a bowl of Fruit-Loops-----Joe- [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

Re: Sweet '70 L78 Nova on Ebay
 

Take it easy there Frank! Nobody called anyone any names, it's just a car, and these discussions are warranted when a seller makes a claim - and presents paperwork to back it up. We've seen false claims made on cars costing a lot less than $16k - which is a lot more money than I've ever spent on any car!

Re: Sweet '70 L78 Nova on Ebay
 

He said AS$!!!!

Re: Sweet '70 L78 Nova on Ebay
 

Frank having a Bad Week ?

Re: Sweet '70 L78 Nova on Ebay
 

Someone must have pi$$ed in my Wheaties! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Charley and others I am sorry. I guess that I just have an opinion on this subject and shouldn't go off on a tirade about it like others have done on this site recently. I am just passionate about things I strongly believe in like this. Sorry for all the noise.

Re: Sweet '70 L78 Nova on Ebay
 

Frank, I understand your point on view on bashing, but in this instance, I don't think it's bashing. It's a case of people questioning the car because there are quite a few things that are incorrect and would lead someone to doubt the authenticity of it. I also agree that for the price, the car would be a great driver regardless of originality. If there weren't so many dishonest people out there trying to pass their cars off for something they aren't, we wouldn't need to question and nitpick as much.

Re: Sweet '70 L78 Nova on Ebay
 

I have been following this particular auction and have seriously considered buying this car. I have read the comments on the Nova Site board as well as here.The issue of "nit picking" as some call it is common to every board that I have ever seen. Someone asked recently why there were so many nasty posts on the NCRS website. The response was that the site was filled with a lot of angry old men who had just spent $70K restoring cars that were only worth $35K. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

On the one hand, I can agree with Frank in that sometimes the criticism seems relentless, and over the top. With due respect to Allen and the members of Steve's Nova site, I have often sat in front of the computer and watched some high quality machinery get dissected and wondered "Do these guys like anything? " [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

However, the same thing happens at car shows. The nicer the car, the more people seem intent on finding flaws. People have pointed out things which were incorrect in my cars and often they have done so for a variety of malicious reasons.But each time they did, I made note of what they pointed out. Sometimes they were wrong, but often they were right and each time helped me to improve my car just a bit more.

I guess the point that I'm making is I hate the nit picking. But I find it very useful.

On this car the Nit Pickers are right.The seller uses a number of bidder identities(just like the Alberta Yenko Cloner), and conducts private auctions which would make shill bidding easier. I have spoken to a past customer who has had some serious problems with his purchase. I have spoken to those who have inspected the car and while it may not have "undercarriage rust or repairs" there are other rust issues that are not mentioned in the ad. Now, you might ask, what do you expect for $16K? A while back I contacted another member of this board about the purchase of his Copo Camaro. He spent a great deal of time telling me specifically about how much rust the car had, and about things that would need attention. That was honest, and straightforward ,and that is what I expect. Not misrepresentation. It speaks volumes about the class and integrity of that member.

E-Bay is becoming a minefield for people trying to find an honest deal.I have a new word to describe what is happening. I call it "Tuttleization" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: Sweet '70 L78 Nova on Ebay
 

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On the one hand, I can agree with Frank in that sometimes the criticism seems relentless, and over the top. With due respect to Allen and the members of Steve's Nova site, I have often sat in front of the computer and watched some high quality machinery get dissected and wondered "Do these guys like anything? " [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

On this car the Nit Pickers are right.The seller uses a number of bidder identities(just like the Alberta Yenko Cloner), and conducts private auctions which would make shill bidding easier. I have spoken to a past customer who has had some serious problems with his purchase. I have spoken to those who have inspected the car and while it may not have "undercarriage rust or repairs" there are other rust issues that are not mentioned in the ad. Now, you might ask, what do you expect for $16K? A while back I contacted another member of this board about the purchase of his Copo Camaro. He spent a great deal of time telling me specifically about how much rust the car had, and about things that would need attention. That was honest, and straightforward ,and that is what I expect. Not misrepresentation. It speaks volumes about the class and integrity of that member.

E-Bay is becoming a minefield for people trying to find an honest deal.I have a new word to describe what is happening. I call it "Tuttleization" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]



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Marc,
Thanks for your input, and it is nice to hear from someone who has investigated this one further.

I've done a little thinking about the situation and your question of "do these guys like anything?". I realize someone who has followed our posts on Steve's site probably do notice the dissections of various cars that come up. However, what may not be obvious is what starts the commentary.

In some cases, a neat car surfaces and we say "wow, great car!", and that's the end of it. Generally, the long threads are the result of the SELLER's statements, not the car's appearance. I like all the cars.... it's the seller's statements that prompt more attention.

The ol' "it's a real SS / COPO / Yenko / 396 / 454 / LS6 / L34 / L78 / whatever" are what prompts the scrutiny. It happens all the time here and there and everywhere. Because of the rarity of those special cars and the emotions and excitement they generate, it's a natural question to ask "is it real?".

As soon as a supposedly real car pops up, and the first glance results in finding things that don't add up, closer inspections follow and the comments tend to fly.

I like all Novas (and especially 68-72)...... I don't care whether they are six cylinders, or small V-8's, or SS's, or big blocks. Take a 6-cyl. and convert it to a big block for a sweet cruiser.... more power to you! Dress up your plain exterior with SS emblems because you like them...... more power to you! Call it a clone or a street-rod or whatever..... great! Say it's a factory SS or real Yenko when it appears to not be one, and some folks like myself tend to get a bit nit-picky and dig for more details.

In summing up that long-winded statement..... it's not the cars that are the problems.... it's the seller and how they represent them. A seller who appears to be deceitful, or makes inaccurate statements..... they subject themselves to more negative attention.

Look at this one that we are talking about..... two auctions back to back, same seller, different selling names, car was quickly modified from a rod to a stock appearing one, and things look fishy. What do you do or think?