Re: Survivors - Where is the line drawn?
 

It will always be a matter of individual OPINION until there is a universal hobby recognized definition. Good luck with that. The only thing you can do is make a comparision with a given car with a given clubs criteria for a survivor class if they have one. Otherwise the whole thing is a never ending debate based on what two or more people THINK.

Re: Survivors - Where is the line drawn?
 

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Just visit Chris P and Joe D's garage and you will quickly learn the standard for the definition of "survivor"

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Orlando, you are right about that. I love a great restored car but after seeing the cars that Chris and Joe has, there is something extra special about a car that survivied that era intact and unmolested.

Re: Survivors - Where is the line drawn?
 

That's for sure!

Re: Survivors - Where is the line drawn?
 

Not sure where you draw the line on survivor, but if your talking time capsule Charlies canyon copper 70Z is the yardstick to which others should be measured.

You need to have plant installed RT44's to make time capsule though

Re: Survivors - Where is the line drawn?
 

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I have been a Survivor Judge at Bloomington Gold almost since its inception. Their guidlines are that the majority (over 50%) of at least 3 of the 4 catagories (exterior, interior, chassis, engine compartment) must remain preserved intact, unrestored, and unaltered. And that the majority of the finishes and condition of at least 3 of those 4 sections be good enough to be used as a model for an authentic restoration. Yes, that means that a car with a replacement engine can still be a "Survivor". Wether you agree with these guidelines or not, they are the only ones that are recognised. Personally I'd like to see them tightened up a notch or 2.

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I think that is what Bloomington Gold did by starting the Benchmark award. My 1967 Lynndale Blue roadster went Survivor & Gold along with Tim Mckeon's 1968 blue roadster, and Herm Rosemann's 1967 Yellow 396 coupe in 1990.

When David Burroughs and his staff saw that a car could do both at the same time, they created that award for the sole purpose of honoring an un-restored car doing 95% or better in a restored class.

I remember after we were given the awards at the 1991 show, Bloomington Gold paid a team of professional photographers to take pictures of the cars. I think they took 125 pictures of my car, and gave me copies of every one. The purpose was to rewrite the rules on what was deemed as assembled by the factory. I remember they took 25 pictures of just the door jambs, weather striping and glue alone.

In 1993 they invited all of the Benchmark cars (14 I believe, 10 showed up) back to the show for a photo shoot to produce a Benchmark calender. I still have the framed photo they gave each owner. The calender was never printed.

Bill Pankiw

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Looks like there is no absolute definition...and a lot of different opinions. One thing's for sure...All the survivors are waaay cool, no matter what their form of repair or disrepair. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

Thanks for all the replys (even though I don't know any more now than I did before https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif)

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Re: Survivors - Where is the line drawn?
 

Correction.....


Herm Rosemann's 1965 Yellow 396 coupe.

Sorry for the typo.

Bill Pankiw