Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Are you using someone local for coating, meaning southern Ontario?

Kevin

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Ryan, seriously the club wouldn't mind if you brought the car down!! I would love to see it... I saw it at MCACN..

Rich

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: quik9r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you using someone local for coating, meaning southern Ontario?

Kevin </div></div>

I am still deciding on a supplier, I visited Aegis in Guelph and they are capable and the pricing is similar to my budget. Any suggestions are welcome!!!!

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr. Chevy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ryan, seriously the club wouldn't mind if you brought the car down!! I would love to see it... I saw it at MCACN..

Rich </div></div>

NOCCC

Northern Ohio Chevelle Cutlass Club:-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Great progress. Keep it up. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great progress. Keep it up. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] </div></div>

Thanks for the positive comments!!!

I will work on removal of ball joints and control arm bushings this weekend:-)

I am realizing more each day that a bit more equipment is needed, a parts washer is high on the list........

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: quik9r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you using someone local for coating, meaning southern Ontario?

Kevin </div></div>

I am still deciding on a supplier, I visited Aegis in Guelph and they are capable and the pricing is similar to my budget. Any suggestions are welcome!!!!

Ryan </div></div>

quik9r and I had a great chat tonight (super nice guy) I now have several leads on local Coaters to follow up on:-)

Many thanks for the call, I can't stress enough, I am hoping to attain amateur status with this chassis restoration a conversation like this is so helpful to me as I &quot;google know&quot; coatings........... Now I have some shared experience to build on:-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Has anyone used body filler on a part or frame that is pitted to make them smooth before powder coating or does everyone use JB Weld or Alvin Lab Metal or ???

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

So far I have been told no filler under Powder coat as the baking process will be an issue.

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

So whats your plan? Your frame will look exactly like it does now if you powdercoat it. If you paint it you can fill in the pitting, but that will involve a ton of work. If it was me Id find a nice rust free frame from out west.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Dude</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So whats your plan? Your frame will look exactly like it does now if you powdercoat it. If you paint it you can fill in the pitting, but that will involve a ton of work. If it was me Id find a nice rust free frame from out west. </div></div>

This is the decision I am pondering and researching.........I very much want to use the original frame, I want to keep the car original as much as possible, but a southern frame would be a perfect starting point to blast and powder coat......

I appreciate the feedback, I am making plans to visit another powder coater locally and will bring a control arm as an example.

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I'd say take your time, finish the metal on the original frame. Time is on your side. No frames are perfect and you can do that amount of body work yourself (with the lad). A good paint can be used when you have it nice and smooth. You don't plan to powder coat the body do you? Of course not, so with what I hear you plan to do with the car, I'd say refinish, block, prime, block, prime, ..........and when your satisfied paint it. Then you can say it is the ORIGINAL FRAME AND YOU AND YOUR SON DID IT! Spend that powder coat money on some go-fast parts.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Duly noted, Dave: you have confidence in a guy who has fixed hundreds of paint robots and never painted anything with a gun:-)

I really appreciate the help guys!!!

Steve Minore called me to check in, also Dan Vasic and I had a good chat to help me keep my bearings:-)

The original frame is the only frame, the soul of this old car is staying in tact even if it's not perfect. (I have a reasonable tolerance for imperfection)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

It sounds like you are going are going to keep the original frame, so Id check the integrity of the metal from the axle kickup to the rear and the kickout behind the front tires. Before going any futher Id check to see how thin the metal is in those area. In reality pitting is where the metal is thin and the worse the pitting the thinner the metal.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Dude</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It sounds like you are going are going to keep the original frame, so Id check the integrity of the metal from the axle kickup to the rear and the kickout behind the front tires. Before going any futher Id check to see how thin the metal is in those area. In reality pitting is where the metal is thin and the worse the pitting the thinner the metal. </div></div>

Will do.

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Awesome work, Ryan. Between all the work on the car, photo documentation, and posting it all on this site, it seems to me like you would have no time to do anything else (such as work, sleep, eat, etc) [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/laugh.gif[/img]

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Pritchard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Awesome work, Ryan. Between all the work on the car, photo documentation, and posting it all on this site, it seems to me like you would have no time to do anything else (such as work, sleep, eat, etc) [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/laugh.gif[/img] </div></div>

Hi Bill: I also work, sleep, and eat too much:-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Got a little time in the garage today:-)

Bought a pneumatic chisel, cut the rivets off the upper ball joints.

Made a terrible sketch to make a puller to press the bushings out of the control arms.

Ryan

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Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Had a great chat with another 69 Olds guy last night.

Chris Thibert, he owns the Brown, gold, green 69 W-32 Convertible:-)

He has a non finned brake drum to add to the restoration, I want to get it blasted and powdercoated now as a spare:-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

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Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Sketches? whatever it takes ... that's the kind of stuff you refer back to when the project is done and say to yourself &quot;WOW -- we made it!&quot; TAZ

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Are you replacing the ball joints or saving them? Nothing wrong with sketches.. Hell I use AutoCAD all the time when I fab something up just to make sure I have no interference issues.. Keep up the great work! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Thanks guys!!

Replacing the ball joints.... They are now in the original parts that came off the car bin:-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Take a screw driver, pry out some of the bushing rubber. Take a torch, light the rubber on fire, wait a bit, take same screw driver and tear out the remaining rubber, crush the side of the metal sleeve with a chisel, sleeve will fall out. Repeat on next bushing.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Ryan, you chiseler.......
Inch by inch, anything's a cinch.
Keep it rollin' Ryan........lookin' good. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Dude</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take a screw driver, pry out some of the bushing rubber. Take a torch, light the rubber on fire, wait a bit, take same screw driver and tear out the remaining rubber, crush the side of the metal sleeve with a chisel, sleeve will fall out. Repeat on next bushing. </div></div>

Now that will set off the smoke alarms ... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif[/img]

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

There is a new technique:-)

Burn it:-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Google it. Easiest way to get them out without damaging the arms. The heat will separate the rubber from the shell. With a little effort you can push out the rubber and bolt sleeve leaving the shell. Crush shell, and it will drop out.

#6 If you don't believe me.
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Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Yea an arbor press is always handy to have although rarely used. I bought mine brand new for around $125 I think iv used it a hand full of times but my friends and family are always asking to use it. My first set of control arm bushing were burnt out then crush the casing as already suggested. Make sure to do it in the driveway that rubber really stinks. Lol

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I had a great Muscle car day yesterday:-)

Popped out a couple more bushings, just used a press with a cup under the control arm, two slices of pipe to prevent the arm from collapsing, and a turned down shaft to push out the bushings:-)

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I visited Teff-Line in Burlington they do dry media blasting (no sand) in huge blasting rooms, they also do liquid paint coatings, and dry coatings. They have nice big ovens for powder coating. I was impressed with the facility. It is not a show factory due to the dirtiness of the blasting area, but the rep had good knowledge and seemed to understand the results I am after. After I complete the final control arm bushing removal I will send pictures of the black items all side by side and all the grey items side by side so he can give an accurate price. I have a detailed list of items but I need to confirm with an Olds expert which parts should be black and which should be grey.

Then I stopped at Antique Chevrolet Parts and had a few items quoted. (I didn't even know this place had moved from Oakville to outside Cambridge)

Then I visited Dave (Northerforce) he donated trailing arms to my restoration project:-) Just to top off his Canadianism, he had AC Delco spark plug tools for myself and for Jamie:-) How cool is that?

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Then after that I called Nick Morocco on the way home to chat shifters, he has the trans wrapped up and we are close to deciding on the shifter, I think we will use one of his Hurst Competition Plus shifters to get going and &quot;see how it feels&quot; Kind of a Demo:-)

This got me thinking about pressure plates and clutches again, so I got out one of the pressure plates Al gave me, a Borg and Beck three finger style, I could barely press one of the fingers down by standing on it:-) Should be great in traffic:-) I have yet to remove the bellhousing off the extra engine to see what clutch, pressure plate, flywheel are inside:-) (Need to find out soon)

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Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

PS: My wife things I am addicted to this site, it says I have viewed my thread 321062 times.......... guess the proof is right there:-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Please no pictures of SNOW [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/no.gif[/img]

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Moving along nicely.
Great of friends to help you out with a few pieces.

Now get off this site before the wife catches you. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/whistle.gif[/img]

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

&quot;Popped out a couple more bushings, just used a press with a cup under the control arm, two slices of pipe to prevent the arm from collapsing, and a turned down shaft to push out the bushings:-)&quot;

This is the way I have always done it -- work good, go long way! TAZ [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I have clutch on the brain, I priced out a few and nearly choked.

So I though..... what did Al and his daughter put on the engine that they bought to get the car going again? I hadn't pulled the bell-housing off till tonight. BINGO!!

LuK LC1675 MX 1A18 16:57

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Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Good clutches aren't cheap but if you plan to race it spend the money and get one that will hold and last.. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif[/img]

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good clutches aren't cheap but if you plan to race it spend the money and get one that will hold and last.. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif[/img] </div></div>

I agree 100%

I would definitely send in your flywheel to your engine builder and have it resurfaced. Use all new hardware.

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

This clutch will be perfect for my goal of getting the. Ar back on the road in a very street friendly drivers in combo.

I will have the flywheel dressed during the engine rebuild, and all new fasteners for sure.

I think a bronze pilot bushing is better that the bearing I see in both cranks.

Need to check and restore the fork, and bell housing.

What a nice surprise:-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I would think the flywheel was resurfaced already, then never used, from what I see.
Probably just clean off the surface rust.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rixls6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would think the flywheel was resurfaced already, then never used, from what I see.
Probably just clean off the surface rust.</div></div>

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