Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L78racer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">better seal that car up to keep the mice out. maybe put some type of repellent in there too. plenty of home brew ideas to keep the visitors out.. </div></div>

I am open to suggestions....

I was going to use one or two of the electronic mice repellent systems.....

Ryan

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AWESOME JOB!

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Please be careful with that engine on the furniture dolly. Those cheep wheels have been know to fail under less weight, esp after time. One shove and the whole thing is on the ground....Blocks don't bounce.

BIG

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Good point I will add wood on the sides so it can't fall over.

Ryan

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Get yourself an cradle......you will need one when you transport the engine to the engine builder.
YOU CAN PROBABLY FIND ONE CHEAPER THAN THIS ONE.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/aaf-al...=MobileSwitchNo

Dan

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Good idea.

I may need two as I may take both engines to the engine builder (may need some of each engine)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L78racer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">better seal that car up to keep the mice out. maybe put some type of repellent in there too. plenty of home brew ideas to keep the visitors out.. </div></div>

I am open to suggestions....

I was going to use one or two of the electronic mice repellent systems.....

Ryan</div></div>

Moth balls -- keeps em out!

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Dryer sheets work well and smell great to keep the mice and others out

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I will add these two items to the car body, and look at a more serious anti-rodent effort in future.

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

seal up the firewall/floor holes, make it difficult for the little buggers to get in the body

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300deluxeL79</div><div class="ubbcode-body">seal up the firewall/floor holes, make it difficult for the little buggers to get in the body </div></div>

Will do!!

Ryan

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....also a mean hungry cat!

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: earntaz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">....also a mean hungry cat! </div></div>

I AM LEAVING THIS ONE ALONE......NOT GOING THERE.

Dan

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Very mature.....are you feeling ok?

:-)

Ryan

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My M20 is being restored by Fellow sYc alumni Nick Morocco:-)

Nick picked up the Trans at MCACN and sent a few pictures as he starts inspecting it.

&quot;Ryan,

I started the disassembly of your Muncie and wanted to share some pictures with you. This may take a couple of emails to send them all so there may be some additional emails.

There are a couple of issues you will see in the pictures. They are:

· The tail shaft has been welded on where the drive shaft yoke goes in. Looks like a rear U-joint may have broken causing the drive shaft to whip around. If that is the case, you may see some signs of that on your floor boards. The other possibility could be the drive shaft is too long causing the yoke to be pushed too far as the suspension flexes. Please chek for this at final assembly. You need about ¾ to 1 inch travel from where the yoke is bottomed into the trans and the rear U-joint needs pulled into the differential yoke.

· 4th gear shows a lot of synchro teeth wear as does 1st gear. First gear could be attributed to clutch adjustment and 4th gear to driver. 2nd and 3rd look surprisingly better that 1st and 4th. Go figure.

· The side cover “inside” arms are the weakest arms ever made. You can see that in the pictures. Just a small connection point from there are forks attach on the inside and the outside arms attach. The outside threads are also 5/16 studs which is also a weak point.

We have a few options we can talk about before assembly.

Nick Morocco&quot;

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I have been looking into clutch linkage:-) Olds guys say GH is correct:-)

Have a bracket coming for the brake distribution block as mine was moved on top of the frame for header clearance.

Ryan

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Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

The bracket is an easy find, but first check with Al Stager. He may have the bracket?.....You are fortunate to have the correct Z-bar and adjuster.....as originals are very difficult to find.

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Good point I will check if Al has any loose items floating around:-)

An Olds guy offered the bracket for free, just shipping cost:-) (So many people have jumped in to help me out!!!!)

I really appreciate all the support!!!

Ryan

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BTW....your box of parts arrived yesterday [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif[/img]

Dan

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Yeah Oldsmobile parts!!!!

Thanks

Ryan

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Merry Christmas!!!

Put together the rack of bins to keep me organized and got the electric heater out in preparation for snow on the horizon:-)

Thanks Family!!!

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Nick and I had a fun transmission chat today:-)

He said the tail stock is ok to use as is but he will look for a replacement. (I don't know who did the welding so probably best to go for a better piece)

Nick will price a new gear set minus the reverse gear as he said it is mint, he will also look for just the worn gears and we will see what is best. (he just used a new set of gears and they are impressive:-)

Nick will look for replacement shifter &quot;thingys&quot; so the M20 has all the same stuff as my M22.

I sent a Hurst Competition Plus shifter with the transmission but it is for a console car....maybe the offset piece which attaches to the handle can be replaced? Need to modify it a little to suit the original H shifter handle:-)

Nick noticed the transmission had been apart and not used as it wouldn't have worked anyways:-) the needle bearings were not in the right place. (I have to figure out where they were but he explained they were inside the race and they should be outside or visa versa)

Nick explained a few improvements he does to his Muncies from his years of drag racing his Yenko Chevelle:-) I think he said a 2 to 7 ratio of banana peels to saw dust added to the case reduces noise:-) Joke!!!!

I have only some Google and YouTube transmission experience so I am very happy Nick has offered to head up this portion of the restoration:-) I really respect experience!!!

I want to get my M22 freshened to see if any surprises are lurking......but have to put the rock crusher aside:-(

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

We talked clutches, pressure plates, pilot bushings, flywheels to but I have to pull the bell housing off to see what is in there?

Al sent an extra Diapgram and three finger style pressure plate (He really liked the &quot;kicker clutch&quot;:-)

Still lots to figure out:-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Ryan, I can't remember if your car came with a blowproof or stock bellhousing? If it didn't, and you're planning to go racing, get one that is appropriate. A lot of improvement has been made in the clutch area over the years compared to how those cars were raced back then. I had a bad experience with Center Force, but I'm sure others will speak highly of them. Do your homework and research and seek opinions before you pull the trigger on purchase and installation. Also, see what your trans. guy thinks about changing the 1st gear ratio. I think your M20 should have 2.52; if it doesn't, see if your guy can make sure that it does or maybe even something a bit steeper when he does the rebuild. That car is heavy and the lower (higher numerically) gear ratio will help get the mass moving.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Thanks Dave.

I am researching this item thoroughly, and want a really fun street clutch with the ability to drag race occasionally. So far 10 spline Hays Street/Strip is the one most recommended but 10.5 or 11 inch is still up in the air.

The stock bell housing is on the engine right now, but I agree that rotating mechanical mass is a hazard.

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...6-img_3614.jpg


I will get one for the PSMCDR drivetrain for sure. USED would be fine with me, I won't have to certify the car and there is not even a requirement to have the SFI approved scatter shield bell housing in pure stock.


&quot;Manual Transmissions

The transmission must be correct for year, make, model and engine of the car. 3-speed manuals may be upgraded to the correct 4-speed if originally available. Aftermarket H-pattern shifters are allowed if no modifications to the floorpan are necessary. Line locks are not allowed. Scattershields are okay. No conversions from column-shift to floor shift allowed unless available as a factory option. Aluminum flywheels are NOT allowed.&quot;

If anyone has a USED one similar to this one for sale at Summit send me a PM.

http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/la...ype/muncie-m-21

Ryan

PS: Noticed this rule that I might as well prepare for as well

From the PSMCDR Website.....&quot;Driveshaft safety loops are mandatory on all cars 13.99 and faster! I like the style that doesn't require holes to be drilled in the floor:-)

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Note from Nick.

&quot;Your trans has the 2.56 ratio.

Nick

Gear Tooth Count

Gear Cluster Ratio

First 36 17 2.56

Second 30 19 1.91

Third 27 22 1.48

Fourth 24 29 1.00

Should be very good on the street:-)

Ryan

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Item Year Month
Purchase and Documentation 2015 Feb
MCACN Barn Find Display 2015 Nov
Body removed from the frame 2015 Dec
Frame 2016 Jan
Suspension 2016 Feb
Steering 2016 Mar
Rear End 2016 Apr
Brakes 2016 May
Fuel System 2016 June
Engine 2016 Sept
Transmission 2016 Sept
Exhaust 2016 Oct
Body return to frame 2016 Oct
Wheel and Tire 2016 Nov
Battery 2016 Nov
Fluids 2017 Jan
Trim 2017 Feb
Interior 2017 March
Jack 2017 March
Certification 2017 April
Touch up scratches (Paint) 2017 April
Drive to Al Stager's place 2017 June
and take him out for ice-cream

This is my schedule.......I thought it would be cool to look back on it..........

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

What happened to July &amp; August 2016? What Vacation? Did you not explain to the family....there will be no vacation in 2016.
What happened to December 2016? What Christmas? Did you not explain to the family....there will be no Christmas in 2016....do they know you have a car to finish? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]

Just having fun [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

I hope you make ALL your goals.

Dan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

You picked up on that!!!

I had a full Grinch schedule dreamed up, it was a wonderful awful schedule:-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

Without the support of all my friends here on yenko.net and 2doorpost.com I would have never even considered buying my W-31 Post Car!!

At the end of this chassis restoration I will be a self proclaimed amateur, right now this is all 100% uncharted territory for me. I am car crazy for sure but have done very little work on cars

This is why sometimes (often) I post seemingly ridiculous details about things I am sure you all know very well..........but for example.........who would think a scattershield wouldn't fit with stock pipes, starter, brackets, etc, etc?

In my hobby as well as at work experience is key, and I appreciate everyone that jumps in and shares their experiences. (Obviously I can't follow everyone's path, I have to chose only one path for each item)

Big Thank You!!

Ryan

PS: Tonight or tomorrow I will visit Sam (W-Machine guy here in Ontario) to buy a few parts share some stories and take a few pictures of details on his survivor 1969 442 W-30, 4 speed, Holiday Coupe, Glade Green, Black top, gold/tan interior The clutch linkage, as mine is all &quot;funcky&quot;, and I also want to see if it has (boxed rear control arms, a sway bar,) and frame tie bars? (Inline tube sells them for $65.00 US/$87.00 CAD)

online.flipbuilder.com/wmmk/nfjp/

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I have a scattershield if you are interested. Came off my 65 F85 442, its on the right. Has the sandwich plate with it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...e/DSC_0926.jpg

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I know you have your eye set on a few engine builders, but I recommend you at least consider/talk to BTR Performance in Rochester, NY. I didn't realize how close you are to his shop, and Bill is definitely a top notch Olds engine builder, having raced Olds engines for many years. He's also typically backlogged, so if you wanted an engine done next September, should probably at least start calling around now to get in line somewhere.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Dude</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a scattershield if you are interested. Came off my 65 F85 442, its on the right. Has the sandwich plate with it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...e/DSC_0926.jpg </div></div>

Thanks for the offer, please PM a price but I feel it best to let this item sit for now and get the stock set up going before jumping into this Day 2 item.

If super reasonable of course I would buy it for future.

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 83hurstguy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know you have your eye set on a few engine builders, but I recommend you at least consider/talk to BTR Performance in Rochester, NY. I didn't realize how close you are to his shop, and Bill is definitely a top notch Olds engine builder, having raced Olds engines for many years. He's also typically backlogged, so if you wanted an engine done next September, should probably at least start calling around now to get in line somewhere. </div></div>

I have watched a few YouTube builds of his, and emailed, and talked to Bill and I feel he would be an excellent choice!! My street engine would be a piece of cake for them.

I am looking into many engine builders..... so many factors to consider.

All: Please feel free to recommend engine builders this is welcome information, I just don't want to be a douche and pick somebody last for the baseball team.

Ryan

I like that you read my schedule in detail to foresee some pretty tight timelines considering all the research and preparations needed. Luke, your enthusiasm is totally addictive!!! (Now I won't sleep tonight thinking about clearance specs, roller vs flat...........)

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Bought some more parts!!

Thanks Dean Franco!! (There are more parts in the box than I ordered, extra goodies......who does that???)

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Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

I would contact Dan Jensen and Pierce Racing for engine questions.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like that you read my schedule in detail to foresee some pretty tight timelines considering all the research and preparations needed. Luke, your enthusiasm is totally addictive!!! (Now I won't sleep tonight thinking about clearance specs, roller vs flat...........) </div></div>

Not sure about enthusiasm, I just live the nightmare, haha... 12 months into my engine build, and a few more to go... when I started, I figured worst case it would have been dyno'd in 2015. Not so much. (EDIT: should add that BTR isn't doing mine, I went more local so I could drop in from time to time)

Dean is a great guy. Goes above and beyond every time.

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JpMotorsports</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would contact Dan Jensen and Pierce Racing for engine questions. </div></div>

We have talked several times, he is like a celebrity to me!! (The PSMCDR guys are salt of the earth, with a few salty dogs in the mix:-)

Ryan

Re: Ryan Weaver's 1969 Olds Cutlass S W31 Club Coupe
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 83hurstguy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like that you read my schedule in detail to foresee some pretty tight timelines considering all the research and preparations needed. Luke, your enthusiasm is totally addictive!!! (Now I won't sleep tonight thinking about clearance specs, roller vs flat...........) </div></div>

Not sure about enthusiasm, I just live the nightmare, haha... 12 months into my engine build, and a few more to go... when I started, I figured worst case it would have been dyno'd in 2015. Not so much. (EDIT: should add that BTR isn't doing mine, I went more local so I could drop in from time to time) looking forward to that torque curve!!!

Dean is a great guy. Goes above and beyond every time.
Very helpful and I have now bought parts a few times of good quality:-)

Ryan

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