Re: 1969 Douglas Yenkos
 

Dave,
Maybe we should call it "ohhhhh one of those cars" as you so eloquently stated when we spoke about the Daytona Yellow one I had for sale a few moons ago.

I am glad to see that you were to sharp for my missreprentations [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] Happy now!

Re: 1969 Douglas Yenkos
 

I think you guys misread my post or I worded it poorly. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif[/img] I'm saying that if the Douglas Yenkos are 9737 cars, then they really are identical to the Canonsburg Yenkos. If the Douglas cars don't have the 9737, then I would say they need to be identified differently than the Canonsburg Yenkos. The other dealers that ordered the 9737 COPOs had no intention of selling them as a Yenko so obviously they wouldn't and couldn't be considered a Yenko. I promise this is my last $.02 on this thread. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Re: 1969 Douglas Yenkos
 

Marlin,
If we are to ignore all the substantial info. we have and just start to fabricate information to increase a post count ,which it seems you are happy to do, then I choose to no longer participate.

What evidence do you have to Support your claims and what portion of it is in writing ?Who do you have to corroborate your fictitious statements.

Don't resort to belittle the thread and make this something that it is not.

They are,were and always will be Douglass Yenkos no more and no less.

For someone who prides himself as a Super Car histrorian you could have at least learned to spell the Douglass name correctly.

Or better yet lets just stick our heads in the sand and say that it never even took place and lets take the cars and restore them to what should have been in your opinion and not what was.

Re: 1969 Douglas Yenkos
 

Jeff H, they are still not identical to the Canonsburg Yenkos because they were not ordered with the same options and some were colors that Yenko did not use when he ordered them himself.

Re: 1969 Douglas Yenkos
 

The shipper document found was likely the "Shipper Copy" of the window sticker that would have had all the RPO's and COPO #'s shown but not the prices. I have seen these before. I think Ed C. shows one in his COPO Connection book and there is one in Jerry MacNeish's book as well. They are the next best thing after an original window sticker.

Re: 1969 Douglas Yenkos
 

OK, now I'm making myself a liar because I'm adding another post to this thread. JoeC, I mean identical in the performance options, not necessarily the color or other options. Not all Canonsburg Yenkos are identical in options as is evidenced in that photo of the cars in the lot. Some have vinyl roofs and the yellow one has the endura bumper so I (my opinion) don't think you can say all Canonsburg Yenkos are identical. My point about the 9737 option is a strong case for identifying all the Yenkos together and I was curious what other members thought of this theory so all input is welcomed. I've learned a lot with this thread and I sure hope others have too. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

Re: 1969 Douglas Yenkos
 

Wow, I finally stopped by to read this post. 12 pages of comments on a Yenko Stinger couldn't be ignored. Two hours later, I must admit I found the whole thing to be quite informative and entertaining.

I'm going to come down on the side of considering the $400-converted Douglas cars "true". If they were still $50K cars I'd consider their values equivalent. Now that we're talking six figures, it gets blurry. At those lofty prices, you get into issues of perception and owner's egos.

Looking at the cars from a business perspective, the converting-at-the-selling-dealer model makes perfect sense. Given the simple nature of the '69 "conversion" of stripes and emblems, its a huge waste of time and money to ship cars from Detroit to Cannonsburg, then back out across the country. Shipping has never been free, and the more loading and handling that occurs only increases the risk of damage. The only reason Don Yenko had to keep cars in his pipeline was to keep himself in the middle, and to ensure that he was compensated for his role in developing and promoting these great cars. If he could have trusted his supercar network to not go around him, but instead order and outfit cars to his specifications and pay him a proper royalty, I don't see why this model wouldn't have worked just fine everywhere. But without control of the COPO ordering process, this obviously wasn't a viable solution for him.

Describing Yenko as a manufacturer is fine with me when talking in the context of '65-'67. I don't think anyone could have had an easy time being a "manufacturer" with the heightened restrictions of '68-on. Shelby threw in the towel on Cobra production, and established makers of European cars like Austin-Healy's and the like couldn't economically retool them to meet '68 specs. Yenko ran into that with several of his early '70's engine conversion projects, as stated earlier. The '69 Camaros and '70 Deuces were GM cars that he orchestrated, but didn't manufacture, per se.

I was really tuned up for the idea of a Douglas Yenko in other colors with good options. Then Stefano writes that they all had 711 standard interiors [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif[/img] . How could you take the opportunity order up a '69 Camaro for max appeal and leave the taxicab seats and door panels?

I applaud eveyone in keeping the discussion (mostly) positive. If you take this too far, it'll be like the Corvette hobby. It happened to the Mopar guys (They went from greasy baseball hats and "Big Johnson" T-shirts to guys wearing Dockers asking me if the glass is date coded correctly...)

Re: 1969 Douglas Yenkos
 

Stefano,
If you are going to reduce this discussion to 'post-count', then I'm out of it [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif[/img]

I can assure you this, you will never convince me that the cars Douglas (sp) Chev. sold as Yenko's are truly Yenko SportsCars. I base my position on the paperwork trail from an order form from Yenko to GM, GM's assigned QLL order #, an MSO to Yenko Chev. and then a delivery schedule that dealer transfered the cars to a participating dealer.

Sorry about my spelling, that was a cheap shot!

Re: 1969 Douglas Yenkos
 

Stefano; You state that it is "fact" that no other sYc dealer existed in the state of Illinois while Douglass was a Yenko dealer. I am curious as to from "when to when" this was the case, as the "official" list of sYc dealers changed quite often Tom

Re: 1969 Douglas Yenkos
 

Yenko was also installing SW Tachs and Hurst Duel Gate shifters on certain cars. Not sure if Douglas did.
Yenko used this statement on his official letters
"THE LEADING U.S. PRODUCER OF HI-PERFORMANCE CHEVROLET BASED VEHICLES"
Now you can say it is a "self appointed" manufacturer title but he was recognized as by the organizations I previously mentioned. That is documented.
I have tried to keep my posts clean but the Mecum ad really bothers me. It is supposed to be changed but has not. I still have not figured out who they are referring to as the "C.O.P.O Yenko Registry" that calls it a "true Yenko". I emailed Mecum but as yet received no reply.