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Ok what do you think the final sell will be I can not belive peolpe are wasteing a lot of money

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I did not go back down there today; I watched it unfold on line. The on-line part ended a little while ago but I"m sure it's still going on because there were starters, generators, exhaust menifolds, headers, a few more "W" blocks, boxes full of hardware, etc there yesterday with lot numbers on them that weren't listed on line.
The rare '64 SS sold for $23,000 (plus 15% + 6% Pa sales tax). Considering the cost to restore it properly, I think that was still an ok buy. Of course, it had no title either (or keys according to the auction co.) They were referring everyone to a title washing company in Alabama which would give you paperwork that would supposedly get you a good title in any other state. I don't know how it would all play out in the future. Sounds like there would still be a risk of losing your car at some point if it was ever discovered as stolen in the past. I know the police were there Thurs. checking VINs on all the cars.
Most of the prices I saw were typical of what the item would bring on ebay, although there were bargains on the less desirable items. 3-spd transmissions were selling for $10-$30. ea.
One item that always boggles my mind is a 2x4 alum 409 intake. For years I've had the belief that that manifold has to be the most plentiful surviving 409 part on the planet. OF all the motors that got blown up, I figure no one would throw away a factory alum dual quad intake; there're just too cool to throw away! Everyday, there are at least 3-4 of them on ebay and they all sell around $300. Well there were 6 of them at this auction and they sold between $350-$450ea.! Kind of reminds me of college when there was an unspoken contest to see who had the highest stack of beer cans against their dorm wall....... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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I did not go back - only because there was nothing I was really interested in. I don't think it was a big rip-off though. Most of the cars did not bring much more then scrap money and the people buying the parts were obviously satisfied to pay the amounts they paid.
There were bargains to be had, 498" crate motors between $300 / $1000, $75 for a slightly burnt 409 dual quad aircleaner, etc, etc.
Hell, I would pay $100 for that Hilborn set up just to stick it in my garage!
Had that '61 Bubble top been a 4-speed, I might have been interested in that - I don't think it was a bad deal for what it was, not for what it was supposed to be.
It would be a cool car to take out and whomp on once in a while!

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Well, I bought three cars, lot 1011, 1018 and 1030. All of the parts were being sold too rich for my blood. $675 for the Hilborn, $325 for a low horse tach, 7$50 for a 82 Camaro borg warner trans, $475 for a burnt up dual quad air cleaner missing a hold down bracket.....

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OW!! - E-bay did not update all the starting prices to the actual closing bids - there weren't as many bargains as I thought. I still like that '61 though!
Good luck with your purchases - 1011 had a lot of stuff-are you going to bring them back or??

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1011 is a parts car, roof is rusty, frame is rusty, etc, no title so its getting parted. 1018 is a very solid 64 with a posi and stick pedals, and 1030 is a 62 wagon, super rusty with a posi. the 64 is the only one I think I am going to not part. I can't believe they didn't update the auctions...

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They were referring everyone to a title washing company in Alabama
ARE YOU KIDDING ME That is the most illegal thing I have ever heard you buy a car with out a title and they tell to get a title wash man talking about getting hosed what happen after you paid
The 23.000 and find out later that the thing was stolen I am so surprised that they even let the guy do this I really thought that not one car would sell with out the title Hell you could get pulled over towing it home and if you do not have a title guess what you just might lose it right there. In the state of Pa it is very illegal to sell a car with out a title
Hell junk yard can not take a car with out a title
As the old say has it there is a sucker born every minute get a title wash ARE YOU KIDDING ME
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In the end it looks like Mr Robinson made some money https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

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I dont get it I went on to see what was sold and how much
HELL I JUNKED better cars WITH and title than what was sold here https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gifas I said before there is a sucker born every Minute https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

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Norm,
I'm not familiar with Alabama, but next door in Georgia they don't use titles. Walk into Georgia with a bill of sale (which the auction provides) and a VIN and they will issue you a registration for a car. That's all Georgia provides. Now take the same registration with VIN and bill of sale to another state and that state will issue you a clear title. Since that's all Georgia provides, the other states honor that and thus you have a title.
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Verne I have always felt that was not an ethical thing to do I do know the pa state police does
Not really except this and to me title washing is a big no no I am mostly amazed
That any cars has been sold I have been told many many times that you can not legally sell a car in pa with out a title but he got away with it
Now why were all the cars there with no titles and keys that should have set off the red flags but I guess people did not get it any way it all done now

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I sell and buy project cars without titles all the time. I have used Broadway title for about 50 cars so far and NO problems over the past 15 years.
Norm, you are telling me if some dead beat loses the title to a 69 Camaro Z/28 sitting in his back yard, I don't have the right to go to broadway and get a clear title for it?
The auctioneer had a piece of paper from the PA state police saying they came down and checked all the vin numbers and they were all clean.

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Though the PA State Police may have run a current stolen check on the VINs that in no way means there wasn't a theft issue well into the past. Normally the "stolen" status stays on the law enforcement records for about 10 years, then gets purged. The period may be less depending on the statute of limitations for the theft. Otherwise every car that was ever stolen in the past 100 years would still be on the records and the data storage issues would be beyond comprehension. Imagine going to your local police station and asking them for the theft report on a car stolen in 1962. Think they still have it?

This is one of the things that NICB (National Insurance Crime Bureau) does: they can do off-line searches for old theft reports through their insurance claims records - records that are archived, not purged. So the end result is that there still may be issues well into the future for a prospective buyer from a ill-reputed seller.

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Record checks can't be that hard - remember this story from 2 years ago?


Stolen Corvette found after 37 years
A Corvette sports car stolen when it was brand new in New York 37 years ago has been recovered in California and will be returned to its rightful owner, authorities said on Monday.

The 1968 car, which vanished from Alan Poster's garage in the borough of Queens on January 22, 1969, was identified as stolen as it was being loaded on a container ship for Sweden last November, U.S. Department of Homeland Security spokesman Mike Fleming said.

The car had recently been purchased for $10,000 (5,680 pounds) by a man in Sweden who was unaware it had been stolen nearly four decades earlier, Fleming said. Since Poster's insurance at the time did not cover the Corvette's theft and he was never compensated, he is entitled to get it back.

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Norm He had titles to all those cars but they burned up in the fire he had at his place years ago. thats why there were no titles. State police were there checking all the vins before the sale went on. I think as long as the car is not stolen then why not retitle it.

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My dad's 55 Chevy was stolen on July 4th 1968 and we have all of the past documents to prove that it was stolen 40 years ago. I am going to pursue this car after reading this. What are the chances of getting it back if the vin is indeed found to be on record and the car is still alive???

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If your father was paid off by the insurance company for the theft claim, he no longer has any ownership interest in the car: the insurance company would own it in the unlikely event it was ever found.

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He paid $800 for it. He only had it for 3 months if that and I have no idea if my grandmother paid for it for him. I have no clue about the money issue or insurance. My grandmother is still alive and I am going to take her to the notary so we can do a vin search on the car.

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I used to meet up with a guy at Carlisle every year who was (then) an active cop outside Chicago and specialized in auto theft. He would locate a suspicious car then run the VIN through the NICB records. He found several that were stolen many years prior and in most cases was able to return them to the original owner. He said the most satisfying part of his job was when he tracked down the original owner and made the phone call to let him know his old car (now fully restored) was found and waiting for him to pick it up! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/laugh.gif

One story involved a '67 GTO that he snooped at the Mecum auction.

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If your father was paid off by the insurance company for the theft claim, he no longer has any ownership interest in the car: the insurance company would own it in the unlikely event it was ever found.

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But, if you have a "deductible" and were not reimbersed 100% in full, you still have a leg to stand on. Have a friend that happened on a stolen (in 1968) 67 Corvette being sold about 10 years ago. He dropped a dime to the police after researching the vin number and his lawyer had him buy the original insured owners position on the car. Then all he had to do was reimburse the insurance company for their expense. It wasn't cheap buying out the original owner, but he did get the car, and a clean title.

By the way, thief went to the grey bar motel for his stupidity. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

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sorry but I do not agree title wash or re-titleing to me is the same as re-bodying a car it just not a ethical thing to do to much grey in this
as far as there was a fire and the titles burned I do not buy it The more I am thinking about it the more I remember this guy that is why to me red flags went up a lot of things went on back in the late 60s and 70s any one who had a busness down there back then knows what I am talking about I will be talking to my state trooper about this title wash thing To me this is a big no no but in the end most of the stuff that sold was nothing more than junk any way

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Maybe I should find the Vin for my 69 Z28 that was stolen in Dec. 74, and see if someone has restored it for me. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Ever wonder why East Coasters are so skeptical? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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if the titles were burned up,you just file for a lost title with the DMV,that's no big deal at all.

this reminds me:

20 years ago a freind of mine in Georgia bought a 68 coronet r/t for $3000 with no title,and the scam was on.

3 weeks later the "original"owner came with the cops to his place and showed them a title with his name on it.

after all the money he put in the car,he ended up getting $700 from the original owner for all the work he put in it,and had to surrender the car.

this scam goes on all the time in "no title" states,and usually is successful.

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"Honest teacher, my dog ate my homework!"................ https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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if the titles were burned up,you just file for a lost title with the DMV,that's no big deal at all.

this reminds me:

20 years ago a freind of mine in Georgia bought a 68 coronet r/t for $3000 with no title,and the scam was on.

3 weeks later the "original"owner came with the cops to his place and showed them a title with his name on it.

after all the money he put in the car,he ended up getting $700 from the original owner for all the work he put in it,and had to surrender the car.

this scam goes on all the time in "no title" states,and usually is successful.

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Paranoid much? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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You mean to tell me that you couldn't any more than THREE of those junk cars with posi rears in them???? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

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Paranoid much? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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paranoid about what? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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yea JA Robinson ripped of my good bud back in 78. He had a 70 RA IV judge and he had the motor rebuilt by JAR. He exchanged the RA IV heads with 350 heads and took the manifolds too. He took him to court..


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Flyingn do you remember this guy from the late 60s and 70s
I do I will not be wasting my time with his B/s
and for any one that does go there BE VERY CAREFUL

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Paranoid much? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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paranoid about what? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gifjust because you are not paranoid it dosen't mean people aren't watching you! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

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You mean to tell me that you couldn't any more than THREE of those junk cars with posi rears in them???? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

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Only 5 of the cars that were outside had posis in them. I looked under every single car outside on Friday. One of the cars that I bought did not have a posi in it (# 1011), even though it was advertised as such and i knew it didn't. The other 3 went for too much money. The 62 with the grab bar and 4 speed, the 64 Impala convertible 4 speed, and the 64 Impala plain jane lot # 1017. I had hoped that there would be more but oh well. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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yea JA Robinson ripped of my good bud back in 78. He had a 70 RA IV judge and he had the motor rebuilt by JAR. He exchanged the RA IV heads with 350 heads and took the manifolds too. He took him to court..



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around 69-70 I bought a 67 GTX a guy rolled over had a good power train any way I paid for the car had the title went to get my tow truck came back to find Mr Roinson hooking up his tow truck to the GTX https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gifIt did become nasty and I called the cops I did get the car I had a bill of sell and the title
He was allways was doing this crap like this https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif