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i still cant believe the Talladega's and there sister cars Cyclone Spoilers still havent broke the bank. its just plain stupid!!!

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Yup, what he said...

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That 68 Chevelle ss 396/325HP car 4 speed, light blue sold at a good price of 60k.. I thought it was going to do more than that... I was shocked that the black, rag top, 69 Chevelle SS non numbers 396 with aftermarket intake and headers pulled the money it did...

Rich

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Just watched a non numbers matching AAR Cuda pull $90,000 plus the 10% buyers fee, that is $99,000 for a car without the original drivetrain! That seems to me to be pretty good also.

Don't know what the "BIG DOLLAR" cars will do yet. However, do you guys think some money is coming out of the stock market and into collectibles (again)?

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Prices seem to be pretty solid this year. That woman should have told the auctioneer yelling at her to bid $90,000 for the Black Chevelle SS convertible to F off. That would have really made me mad.

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Prices seem to be pretty solid this year. That woman should have told the auctioneer yelling at her to bid $90,000 for the Black Chevelle SS convertible to F off. That would have really made me mad.

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I was thinking the same thing. I would think you are under alot of pressure to make a quick decission on a car you want to buy. You don't need some jerk yelling in you ear bid 90,000. It was just wrong!!!!

Just my 2 cents

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That 1970 Nova L78 #'s matching GM of Canada car seemed to be a good buy at $50K. The automatic probably hurt the potential value on the car.

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The hammer looked like it was going to come down at around $38K...then it got a second wind. Looked like a nice car.

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I know nothing more than those cars were about the worst GM F-Bodies ever built; they are total crap, no performance, rattletraps with tacky decals. I don't care if it had 7K miles on it, whomever bought it either wanted their 20 seconds of fame, or won the Powerball.

Any early Turbo T/A or Formula is a candidate for worst car ever, and viable evidence of approximately when GM de-railed.

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Well, considering the 70-81 Trans Am's were FAR better cars, with more power, better handling, better build quality, and nicer interiors than 70-81 Z/28's, I guess that puts the 70-81 Camaros and Z/28's just beneath the AMC Pacers and Gremlins on the old hiearchy chart. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

The 80-81 Turbo T/A's were slow, very slow, but in 1980-1981 they were considered fast. The 210 hp rating on those cars was accurate, but without much torque, it's pretty hard to push a 4000 lb car with 301 cubes, even it it was helped by a turbo. Buick got it right a few years later....

The Turbo T/A only had to compete with the likes of 170 hp Camaros, Corvettes, Citations, and other rolling embarrasments like the infamous Hurst/Olds W-30, or the gelded AMX, or a host of other cars we'd all like to forget. Face it, everything pretty much sucked during those years.

But at least the 80-81 Turbo Trans Am's remained performance cars during this dismal era. They remained the best handling cars in America, they came with 4-wheel disc brakes, and are remembered for being one of the more beautiful cars from that time period. Probably half of the people that bought those cars didn't have a clue about all the research and work that went into creating an aerodynamic tour de force, with functional spoilers, extractors, and how the WS6 suspension was a source of jealously amongst the Chevrolet engineers. To most buyers, it just looked cool.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but considering the 80-81 Special Edition black/gold cars are going for $40K+ now, it shows that even though these cars, while slow in the 1/4 mile compared to 1960's standards, are now bringing prices equivalent to restored base 64-72 GTO's, 442's, GS's, and Chevelle SS's.

Different strokes....

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It is amazing how some things bid high and others that look like really nice, good, solid buy cars will not do a whole lot.. Like that 70 L78 Nova mentioned above.. For example just can't see how that does 50k and what I though was hideous looking that stretched out, customized gold T-Bird https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif did like 80k I think it was was.. Makes me sick, but I guess it is all in peoples tastes and what turns them on!! Definatley not for me!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Rich

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<~~~ interested to see what the SC/rambler will bring. they made a descent jump from 2 years ago to last year.

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I know nothing more than those cars were about the worst GM F-Bodies ever built; they are total crap, no performance, rattletraps with tacky decals. I don't care if it had 7K miles on it, whomever bought it either wanted their 20 seconds of fame, or won the Powerball.

Any early Turbo T/A or Formula is a candidate for worst car ever, and viable evidence of approximately when GM de-railed.

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Well, considering the 70-81 Trans Am's were FAR better cars, with more power, better handling, better build quality, and nicer interiors than 70-81 Z/28's, I guess that puts the 70-81 Camaros and Z/28's just beneath the AMC Pacers and Gremlins on the old hiearchy chart. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

The 80-81 Turbo T/A's were slow, very slow, but in 1980-1981 they were considered fast. The 210 hp rating on those cars was accurate, but without much torque, it's pretty hard to push a 4000 lb car with 301 cubes, even it it was helped by a turbo. Buick got it right a few years later....

The Turbo T/A only had to compete with the likes of 170 hp Camaros, Corvettes, Citations, and other rolling embarrasments like the infamous Hurst/Olds W-30, or the gelded AMX, or a host of other cars we'd all like to forget. Face it, everything pretty much sucked during those years.

But at least the 80-81 Turbo Trans Am's remained performance cars during this dismal era. They remained the best handling cars in America, they came with 4-wheel disc brakes, and are remembered for being one of the more beautiful cars from that time period. Probably half of the people that bought those cars didn't have a clue about all the research and work that went into creating an aerodynamic tour de force, with functional spoilers, extractors, and how the WS6 suspension was a source of jealously amongst the Chevrolet engineers. To most buyers, it just looked cool.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but considering the 80-81 Special Edition black/gold cars are going for $40K+ now, it shows that even though these cars, while slow in the 1/4 mile compared to 1960's standards, are now bringing prices equivalent to restored base 64-72 GTO's, 442's, GS's, and Chevelle SS's.

Different strokes....

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Nice commentary - I enjoyed the story! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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The hammer looked like it was going to come down at around $38K...then it got a second wind. Looked like a nice car.

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Is it just me or has anyone noticed the increased block time these cars seem to be getting this year?I know the pace is slower the first few days but this must obviously be a fall-out over the Ramchargers fiasco last year.
If you look closely,the auctioneer holds the hammer up until Craig Jackson gives a slight nod.
I don't think anyone can complain about short-selling so far this year...

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Well, considering the 70-81 Trans Am's were FAR better cars, with more power, better handling, better build quality, and nicer interiors than 70-81 Z/28's, I guess that puts the 70-81 Camaros and Z/28's just beneath the AMC Pacers and Gremlins on the old hiearchy chart. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif


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I have owned 4 2nd gen Trans Ams and I agree that the 2nd gen T/A was a better handling car than the Camaro but the only people I can see prefering the valour interior are pimps and John Travolta whannabees. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif The turbo cars may have had more horsepower than the stock LM1 Camaros but everyone knew that all you needed were headers, a cam and an aluminium intake to get the car into mid to low 14's. We even kept the stock rear, crappy heads and Rochester on them.

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In a 1979 Issue of Car Craft, that I believe I still have around, they took a bare bones (no p/w, no t-tops, no a/c etc) 79 Trans Am WS6 400 4 speed car with a 3.42 posi, and I believe they got it to go high 13's stone stock! If thats not badass for 1979 standards, I don't know what is!

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I have owned 4 2nd gen Trans Ams and I agree that the 2nd gen T/A was a better handling car than the Camaro but the only people I can see prefering the valour interior are pimps and John Travolta whannabees. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif The turbo cars may have had more horsepower than the stock LM1 Camaros but everyone knew that all you needed were headers, a cam and an aluminium intake to get the car into mid to low 14's. We even kept the stock rear, crappy heads and Rochester on them.

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Uhmmm....yeah....I guess modifying a Z/28 with headers, cam, and intake, and leaving a Turbo Trans Am dead stock, is fair. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

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I'm not sure we're ever going to see Talladegas and Spoiler II's catch fire. They're unique and cool, to be sure, but I think FoMoCo's decision to build them in big, homogenous batches limits their overall appeal. ALL the Spoiler II's are 351/FMX auto cars, which is certainly not an awe-inspiring drivetrain. The Talladegas do better with their standard 428CJ, an awesome engine for sure, but all are column shift C6 autos. That swoopy body, then you open the door to that mundane bench seat interior.

I know they don't all have to be purple 4 speeds, but there's simply not enough variety to make it interesting. With Spoiler II's you really only get to search out blue stripes or red (Dan Gurney or Cale Yarborough editions, respectively). You get a couple of color choices with Talladegas (burgandy, dk blue, white), but that's about it.

Imagine if all of the Charger Daytonas were white 383/autos with red or blue tail stripes. Or if all the Superbirds were column shifted 440-4bbls with 14x6 Magnum 500s in White, medium blue, and maroon. That market certainly wouldn't be as much fun.

Conversely, imagine a world where there's a few Talladegas finished in Calypso Coral or Competition Yellow, fitted with buckets/consoles and 428SCJ/4spd drivetrains. Or maybe a special run of 50 Boss 429 powered Spoiler II's (some of which aren't white!). That market suddenly gets a lot more interesting.

I don't think you can call it a "Ford" thing anymore, not with these '70/'71 429CJ cars suddenly bringing 6 figures. There aren't many secrets left out there. The people pay for what they want....

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The hammer looked like it was going to come down at around $38K...then it got a second wind. Looked like a nice car.

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Is it just me or has anyone noticed the increased block time these cars seem to be getting this year?I know the pace is slower the first few days but this must obviously be a fall-out over the Ramchargers fiasco last year.
If you look closely,the auctioneer holds the hammer up until Craig Jackson gives a slight nod.
I don't think anyone can complain about short-selling so far this year...

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Yes I have observed the same thing. Seems like the Auctioneers are wringing every last $ out of the cars, and that is a good thing. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Tom, I agree. However, I don't think limiting the Talledega's and Spoiler II's to a few color choices is what's holding them back. I think it's their drivetrain, coupled with the fact that they weren't very well known as boulevard brawlers back in the day.

If limited color choices was a factor, I would think that a 70 Stage 1 Buick would be more valuable than a 70 GSX, and an 87 T-Type Buick would be more sought after than an 87 Grand National.

I think it's just that collectors have largely ignored the aero cars, outside of the famous winged wonders from Chrylser.

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I thought the prices for the first couple of nights seemed off. Some of the cars I thought would bring good money didnt. I couldnt believe the turbo t/a brought that much money.

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110k for a non RS 71Z28..up from here?
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Mark,what was the mileage on that Z?

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my friend has a low milege 72z-28 survior if any one wants info im me

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I think that one had 17K original miles. WOW https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif on that price still.

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At 4;01 on Speed Tv the one, and only +++ Lilliard +++ show's up on big screen at the BJ show at the $71,000 H-Boy auction, I thought sure he was going to get it, but no sale...Hope you had a great time in talking the // other guy // to spend his money, and not your's " Wisely "....Kasey .. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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Reported to be 16k original,looked like a repaint with wrong color grill still very nice though.I could see that price for a 70 Copo RS in Hugger but a NOM 71? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Mark,

Did that car come from the Chev Connection in Oregon? (The same seller with the Benchmark Chevelle now with stripes?)I think it had a replacement block. I would sell my 69 at that price. Oh well I guess the BJ effect is not dead this year.

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Hey Myles,

Not sure about that one..nice to see that LS6 pull 140k though! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Breakfast sunday?

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Yes, that $140K was nice. Now I regret selling mine, you should be happy. Now get to work on that one. I would be happy to meet for Breakfast on Sunday. Just let me know. It is not the last Sunday of the month.

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I like the fact that a green 70 Boss 302 without a shaker did $105k. Mine is yellow with a shaker.I got it back last weekend. I owned it in 2001 and i got lucky to get it back, i can't say that for some others.

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I think that one had 17K original miles. WOW https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif on that price still.

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18K miles...wrong steering wheel,shift knob,front grille...and a NOM engine to boot! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

WOW https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif

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72 z28 can be seen at carrollstauto.com thanks jeff

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72 z28 can be seen at carrollstauto.com thanks jeff

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Strike while the iron's hot eh?

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Will someone please steer me toward the alledged FACTS on this 71 Z that sold for $100K !!!!!!!!!!

,,,,,,and if Mark Y was seller, how can ANY PART of the car be trusted as "born with" ??????????

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I think they had stated that the engine was not original to the car despite the low mileage.

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Z28

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...n_DSCF0572.jpg

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I think this is the car. The shot was taken by Bruce on Monday. All of Chev Connections have the same plates. Not sure if this is Mark Y.

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that is the car,dig that grille.

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That 72/73 Grill is OUTRAGEOUS on a 71 Camaro. I'd also like to look at many of the other low milage, original parts on this car, such as wheels, center caps, trim rings, shifter knob, tailpipes etc etc...........

I recognize those custon wheel ramps as being Mark Y's.

Interested to see what documentation was secured to show evidence of only 17,000+ miles,or was that 117,000??????

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Sellers are laughing all the way to the bank on that 71 Z, the 5 spoke mags were shinier than my Grandma's wig, poor guy with the Sebring Yellow 70 W30 442 only pulled $50k? seemed like a nice car and that clapped out 70 SCR Cyclone "1 of 3" pulls over $100k.? Clone prices seem way down and prices in general seem all over the place

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How about lot #1017,the '70 Dodge Dart Custom w/the 800hp hemi,guy supposedly had $200K in it,it went for $51K... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif

$150K for that '54 Darrin-Kaiser convertible had to be a universe-record.

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Did the car in the picture sell for 100K !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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How about lot #1017,the '70 Dodge Dart Custom w/the 800hp hemi,guy supposedly had $200K in it,it went for $51K... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif

$150K for that '54 Darrin-Kaiser convertible had to be a universe-record.

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Was the Kaiser Darrin a pale green? If so...it was owned by one of the regulars at Pavillions....and the car was drop dead gorgeous! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif