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Absolutely not. They dont really care about how the seller feels. I do see them placing all sold cars in a security controlled lot with no access by anyone but the buyer after his paperwork is finished. I bet that will be something new added this year.

Re: Barrett-Jackson lawsuit over the Ramcharger Cu
 

As speculated the entire matter is finished. Steve Davis added his .02cents in the press release. I feel much better now. I wonder if he was wearing his shades during the press release.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/media...lStatement.asp

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From an article on this subject in this morning's 'Arizona Republic' newspaper.....

"The terms of the financial settlement were not disclosed."

My guess is that B-J offered the judge a few bucks for his perceived shortfall, he made his mea culpa, and everyone moves on.

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I Hope they didn't give him a "Penny"........They did "Nothing" wrong.........

Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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From an article on this subject in this morning's 'Arizona Republic' newspaper.....

"The terms of the financial settlement were not disclosed."

My guess is that B-J offered the judge a few bucks for his perceived shortfall, he made his mea culpa, and everyone moves on.

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I Hope they didn't give him a "Penny"........They did "Nothing" wrong.........

Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Exactly. It's a frickin no reserve auction. It's a big corporate business that probably has lost some of its personal appeal, but that is corporate America. Have you called Sprint lately.

If you sell or buy at these no reserve auctions no whiners allowed. Like Bill Gates sais "Life isn't fair, get used to it."

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If you bring a big dollar car to BJ, just ask in writing that you want to be guaranteed a certain amount of run time in the contract.

Re: Barrett-Jackson lawsuit over the Ramcharger Cu
 

The contract is very clear that there is no run time guarantee...

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Probably alot more phone bidders and foreign money at this years auction.

Re: Barrett-Jackson lawsuit over the Ramcharger Cu
 

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The contract is very clear that there is no run time guarantee...



[/ QUOTE ] Im sure they like others will need to start catering to sellers again in the very near future.

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Probably alot more phone bidders and foreign money at this years auction.

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Probably Canadians, https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif the way the Canadian dollar is at the moment compared to the US dollar.

Re: Barrett-Jackson lawsuit over the Ramcharger Cu
 

The way I see it people know there is NO reserve so they don’t have to go to B/j to sell cars The way to get though MR Jackson is no one goes there to sell there cars with out a reserve might take a few years but when less and less people go there then he might not be so bull headed It has been discuss a lot a local car cubs and shows that I have been to this past year .Most of the people that once went there will not this year and what is the story of Steve Davis ??
Every were I went this past summer I hear this guys name it seemed that he ticked off way to many people with last year circus Mr. Jackson would be wise not to even have this guy there But in the end it up to the people if they do not like the way they are running the business then you do not have to go there. If it was that bad last year then the best thing to do instead of
crying about it is just don’t go The best way to get some one to under stand is in the pocket Sure there will be people going this year but might not as many as last year and maybe less in 09 .To me that make the biggest statement. Lawsuits are messy and take to long By less people get involved the less money made and that will wake them up and clean it up
Me I am not going to waste my time watching it on Tv
The bottom line is there is no reserve this is a know fact so if you do not like it DON’T GO. Depending on B/j to work the cars to get the money you want is very dangerous and not the smartest thing to do

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The bottom line is there is no reserve

[/ QUOTE ] The "no reserve" is a incorrect term. If i bring a COPO there and say on the contract ill buy it back up to 200K, then the reserve is 200K,you as a bidder just dont know it. So in effect it isnt a no reserve auction.Then again it insures that the auction house receives boith seller and buyer commision on both ends whether a car actually trades hands or not . Its like bidding on an item on ebay with no reserve ,and then at the last second the sellers preset bid gos in effect. How the term no reserve gets used is beyond me.

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As far as I know there is no place to tell the auction house you will buy it back. I think in fact they state that the seller cannot buy it back. That does not prevent a seller from having a friend that is a registered bidder buy it back for him but you better have friends that really trust each other.

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"and then at the last second the sellers preset bid gos in effect" https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Chuck, the seller bids on his own item under a different name to meet his (no)reserve? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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The bottom line is there is no reserve

[/ QUOTE ] The "no reserve" is a incorrect term. If i bring a COPO there and say on the contract ill buy it back up to 200K, then the reserve is 200K,you as a bidder just dont know it. So in effect it isnt a no reserve auction.Then again it insures that the auction house receives boith seller and buyer commision on both ends whether a car actually trades hands or not . Its like bidding on an item on ebay with no reserve ,and then at the last second the sellers preset bid gos in effect. How the term no reserve gets used is beyond me.

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Charlie, Why do you hear about people getting upset because they had to pay the sellers and the buyers premium just to get thier title back?? Weve all heard about the Crossram car from OK, that the seller had to cough up 20K plus just to have them release his car back to him, is that a false story?????? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

Re: Barrett-Jackson lawsuit over the Ramcharger Cu
 

InI think in prior years to las year you could buy your car back. Last year they said no. I remember Andy Wolf wanting to buy his 68 Yenko back and they said no. He didn't think about having a friend there to buy it back for him. Ifyou don't want to let your car go under a certain amount then you should take it to a reserve auction. If you do buy your own car back and the hammer drops before they realize you are the owner I think all they can do is charge you both the buyer and seller fee. At 16% on a 100K car you only net 84K after you buy it back so you hadbetter really think about weather you think you can do better than 84K before you buy it back. You also have to have some consideration for the buyer that reads the catalog that says no reserve, flys across country only to have the guy buy his own car back.

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The simple solution to ending ALL and ANY type of shill bidding at any public auctions on high dollar items ,cars or otherwise is to have the venue issue IRS sales/purchase reporting forms to buyers and sellers just like when land and property change hands. At that point buyyer and seller have too much to lose on a false sale.

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I Hope they didn't give him a "Penny"........They did "Nothing" wrong.........

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In a perfect world, I couldn't agree more, Ken. Unfortunately, in the real world, things don't always work that way. B-J needed to make this go away before this year's event got underway, and have any accusations (real or otherwise) made against them refuted. They got that, in spades.

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I don't want to unjustly accuse anyone of anything, but: if you watch BJ, R&S or even RM, on TV last year you'll see Charley at each and every Venue with a bidders pass around his neck.

I think he might just be a professional Jacker?????

It is not the mfg of the "gun" we should blame, but the guy who pulls the trigger, so to speak.

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Just watch the reruns https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

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Charlie, Why do you hear about people getting upset because they had to pay the sellers and the buyers premium just to get thier title back?? Weve all heard about the Crossram car from OK, that the seller had to cough up 20K plus just to have them release his car back to him, is that a false story?????? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

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I think the point of contention is the term no-reserve; and it is a valid term. At a reserve auction you pay nothing but a stiffer enrty fee; if the car does not sell take it home. In a no reserve if you ended up buying your car back directly or not, you are paying buyer AND sellers fee. What does this mean. You did not have a reserve and the car sells to the highest bidder. If that bidder is you, it cost you money that it does not cost in a reserve auction. The goal of no reserve is to let people know the car really is for sale and it is. In short , I see no problem with the term "no-reserve" as it is very diferent from a reserve auction.

My $.02

JOHN

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Ha !!! I think it is Bubbles.....

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I don't want to unjustly accuse anyone of anything, but: if you watch BJ, R&S or even RM, on TV last year you'll see Charley at each and every Venue with a bidders pass around his neck.

Quote...........Stefano


So........Are you saying that Charley is one of those "Lurker" https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gifguy's..........LOL

Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Ha !!! I think it is Bubbles.....

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Hummmmm!!!!!!! Jeff knows about "Bubbles"......

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gifKen https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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I don't want to unjustly accuse anyone of anything, but: if you watch BJ, R&S or even RM, on TV last year you'll see Charley at each and every Venue with a bidders pass around his neck.



[/ QUOTE ] Lillard is just trying to get in good with all of them them so they wont charge him full 480,000 commission when his supersnake sells. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Ha !!! I think it is Bubbles.....

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Hummmmm!!!!!!! Jeff knows about "Bubbles"......

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ffSucksToo.gif

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gifKen https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Yes...yes Jeff does https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Probably some back office deal made between the plaintiff and defendant "we'll give you what you wanted for the car and you recant your bashing of BJ" end of story

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Yes Jim - But don't foget about the ever popular NDA (non-disclosure
agreement) that must have been signed..... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif

Nuch

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Hey Charley, you don't have to answer if you don't want to but here you are a guy with a high profile car for sale, now what would be your opinion on why you would'nt take your car there in the fact that the other supersnake got 5.5 mill last year. Don't mean to put you on the spot but just curious what your opinion would be from a collectors point of view.

Re: Barrett-Jackson lawsuit over the Ramcharger Cuda
 

I don't have the nerve to sell at no reserve.....

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don't send it through b.j. ring up ron pratt?

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I would assume Ron has already heard about it, a man with that kind of collection surely has his ear in the right places

I would also think that with the internet play your car is getting you will get the word out to the appropiate people anyways. With that kind of a car those people know who has it.

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I dont think he will be the guy that rings the Bell for the highest sale this Year.. But we were saying that last year.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif
Not the way the Euros are https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif and this is what some of the Muscle owners will look like https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

Re: Barrett-Jackson lawsuit over the Ramcharger Cu
 

1966 Cobra Super Snake at B-J

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPES8hxU4dM

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well,if not pratt,how about williams,the guy that ran pratt up on the cobra last year?

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personally, I think they should do away with phone bidding..... seems shady to me.... if your not in front of the podium your not in the game... that includes the lazy a$$es hovering the bar in the back, get off your a$$ and get up front..

my .02

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Thats why its the Greatest auction on Planet Earth. Bids are coming from everywhere ! Should see the view from the SkyBox..

CRAZY !!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

We were sitting next to the guy from the Discovery Channel when he was using ALLEN as his bidder and the place was going CRAZY. I think Charlie was sitting there and their is nothing like it !!! The Frenzy over the million dollar cars is overwhelming. No Car Show or any other auction can give you this feeling.
You just dont feel it sitting on the couch https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/drool.gif