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If two people had ZL1s for sale for 1 mil,one had the original motor, the other did not which one would you buy.

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If the car that didnt have the right motor was a red RS,id personally take the NOM car.But let me ask this, if a zl1 with the real motor was 1M, and a real car [equivalent condition,etc]with a CE was 500K, which one would YOU buy???[since its being stated that the motor is worth 1/2 the car]

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If that 500K car is Green,I'd personally take the 1M zL1.

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If the 500K car is Green,I'd personally take the 1M zL1.

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LOL! Always hatin' on the green cars!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

BTW: where do you want me to send the money for that Delco Analyzer packet? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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Without that original engine, then what makes the ZL-1 Camaro so desireable? It is just like another Camaro with TI, M22 & HD 4:10 axles, an iron block COPO would be just as valuable.

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I Agree. I'd rather have a proper "clone" with a real ZL1 driveline than a "ZL1" with a "Clone" driveline.

My 02.,
Rich

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If I'm building a clone the last thing I would put in it would be an original ZL1 motor. Personally if I built a clone it would be to have fun, and not worry about blowing up an engine. I would build it to hammer and incorporate some new technology. Why waste a valuable engine, and not be able to have thrash it....

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If I'm building a clone the last thing I would put in it would be an original ZL1 motor. Personally if I built a clone it would be to have fun, and not worry about blowing up an engine. I would build it to hammer and incorporate some new technology. Why waste a valuable engine, and not be able to have thrash it....


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Can't agree more... Not just engines, I don't get putting real parts on clones. Reproduction parts are perfect in this case. Especially the high dollar items. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif Would be nice if the real items got reunited with the cars they came from. But its all up to the current owners I guess... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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I think with a car like a ZL1, a lot has to do with timing...I suspect that certain cars without the original motor on a given day have sold for more than cars with the original motor...if you just gotta have a ZL1 NOOWWW...you have to pick one that is available now...with a Z28 or other more common RPO, there are always atleast a handful available at any given moment.With a Zl-1, your lucky if more than a couple go up for sale in any given year...I think that some cars sold in the recent past few years to collectors that just had to have one...lets face it, if you have a collection of the best Chevy musclecars and money is no object, your collection is not complete without a ZL-1...

And as far as Jim from Heartbeats car for 1.4 million, I'm sure the restoration is beautiful, but if I had 1.4 mil to buy a ZL1, I would solicit other owners of a more desirable color(and definitely a 4-speed) and I suspect you would have atleast a few owners willing to part with their cars for that kind of cash...1.4 mil sure would get my attention https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/drool.gif

just my .02

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Either car for the same price and you would take neither ?

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If they were both in the 1m range. Can't swing that kinda dough. Even if I could, I'd have to be bill gates silly rich before I'd spend 1mil on a car.

I guess in the end, after careful thought, I'd take a well done all around clone, one I could drive. I certinaly would not thrash a clone with a ZL1 motor in it. That is a good point, and one I thought of right after posting, hense, the follow up post.

Happy in my LM1 world!

Rich

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Without that original engine, then what makes the ZL-1 Camaro so desireable? It is just like another Camaro with TI, M22 & HD 4:10 axles, an iron block COPO would be just as valuable.

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I Agree. I'd rather have a proper "clone" with a real ZL1 driveline than a "ZL1" with a "Clone" driveline.

My 02.,
Rich

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If I'm building a clone the last thing I would put in it would be an original ZL1 motor. Personally if I built a clone it would be to have fun, and not worry about blowing up an engine. I would build it to hammer and incorporate some new technology. Why waste a valuable engine, and not be able to have thrash it....

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Good Point. I stand corrected in that one.

Not, of course, the LM1 stuff though https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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Rich

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Between seeing the " LM1 rocks" sign and the "what is the definition of a supercar"thread, Id now like to have my membership prorated and the unused portion refunded.

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Between seeing the " LM1 rocks" sign and the "what is the definition of a supercar"thread, Id now like to have my membership prorated and the unused portion refunded.

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LOL https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Warren...what you're referring to is the value added to a car because a specific engine option is known to have been originally shipped w/ that specific Vin...not the value of the original engine itself, loose and astray from the car...right?.



~ Pete
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Yes, that correct, Pete.

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Hey L78.... you should keep in touch, but you should wait it out!!! I guess it depends on how old you are...but I bought the original motor from my ZL-1 many years before eventually purchasing the car...The owner of the car actually found me...and called and begged me to sell him the motor every couple months...we actually became friends and I actually went and saw the car years before he eventually decided to sell... I always joked that he was older than me and that i would buy the car from his son once he died...(thank God that didnt happen...I'd really feel like crap now)...anyway, as the saying goes...Good things come to those who wait. Good Luck!!! What kind of car is it anyway??

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It's an L78 convertible... of course!

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It's easy to get caught up in percentages. Pay an extra 1% for a new car, and we're looking at $ 250.00. Pay an extra 100% for a new suit, and we're looking at $250.00. Pay double for a new suit? "NO WAY, IT'S AN EXTRA $250!!" But pay 1% more for a new car, and we say, "Hey, it's $250."

Add 20% to the value of a Z/28 for original motor = $20,000

Add 20% to the value of a ZL-1 for original motor = $200,000

Who's going to pay $200,000 for a motor?

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Who's going to pay $200,000 for a motor?

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While the number of buyers willing to spend a mil or more on a collector car are few, I believe there are more potential buyers of a ZL1 with its original drivetrain for 1 million than the same car with a restoration engine for $800k. What I find interesting is the correlation between the perceived potential buyers vs. the widening price difference. If the prices were 300k apart I still believe there are more buyers for the original drivetrain car...at 400k you may have picked up enough buyers to swing the balance in the other direction. I'm not sure where the point of diminishing returns is....In the end it only matters what the current owner thinks but....they all get sold someday!

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I would pay more for a ZL1 with good history and options with non orig engine than I would pay for a boring one with orig engine.

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What a Funny topic !!

Tell everybody what price Jim was hit with and we ALL can get a laugh out of it !! I was told a couple of nights ago.
WOW !

Talking about a topic so close to me. I have for sale

69 ZL1 Camaro Fathom Green Original motor $600K
69 ZL1 Camaro GREAT COLOR! NOT the original motor $850K

Some of the Best ZL1's for sale with NO issues. Lets see when you find this kind of price's without issues.

The ZL1's Camaro's are the KING KONG for GM https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

Look at an Original Window sticker,look at the Price Tag https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif
Drive one and you will know why ! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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I would pay more for a ZL1 with good history and options with non orig engine than I would pay for a boring one with orig engine.

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I believe you just did that... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/blush.gif

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I have for sale

69 ZL1 Camaro Fathom Green Original motor $600K
69 ZL1 Camaro GREAT COLOR! NOT the original motor $850K

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Please let us know why the great color car (what is the color?) is $250000 more? thanks

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I believe the 850K car is a yellow 4 speed.

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What a Funny topic !!

Tell everybody what price Jim was hit with and we ALL can get a laugh out of it !! I was told a couple of nights ago.
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Yes, someone please do tell. PM is fine if you don't want to air it out https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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How 'bout an original motor car w/non-original great color v. non-original motor w/original great color? Which do you pick (and you can't pick Ditka)? I know what I'd take (whatever it is you guys are taking!!).

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NO BRAINER !! THe Original motor car is going in the paint booth.. LOL https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Forgot! 4 speed or auto

Comes down to it. If the car Pops out at you and it fits your Bill(pegigree?,color,options,money,etc)then the car will end up in your garage.Hey some people buy rebodies,guess what?
That fits their Bill !!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

I know it cost a LOT of money to build a serious clone now a days and trying to get your money back is real hard.
Look at the e-body converts!!!!!

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I know it cost a LOT of money to build a serious clone now a days and trying to get your money back is real hard.
Look at the e-body converts!!!!!

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Rich,I couldn't agree more.With the cost of restorations going up,and the value of clones going down,there are some nice tribute cars out there at great prices.I fell in love with this car,and bought it for WELL under what the man had in her(the driveline and components were nearly 40k alone)that equated to about a third of a real one of simlilar quality restoration.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...02864976750302

Yeah.. it's a fake,but i wanted something I could actually drive without cold sweats unlike some of my other real cars..out here every fifth car on the road is uninsured and powered by budweiser https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif

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Mark...I saw that car on Ebay...looks really cool! Congrats on the purchase.

So....you gonna drive it out here to Pavillions? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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Mark...I saw that car on Ebay...looks really cool! Congrats on the purchase.

So....you gonna drive it out here to Pavillions? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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Bruce,thanks man..thinking more like Bob's Big boy Toulca lake!.Phoenix is long way with 4:10's https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

I am looking forward to next years pilgrimage to Mecca(Scottsdale) in Jan-had blast meeting all you guys this year.We just need Denis to make that awesome Chili again! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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That is...if we can get that "Denis" dude back from Lake Tahoe...he's relaxing and living the "good life" up there https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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He's got the rotation figured out..being from No Ontario i'm sure when it turns white up there he'll be southbound to the valley of the sun https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif

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Mark...I'm not so sure. He LOVES to snowboard and doesn't have to go far to do it! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

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Eh!!!!!!!!!!

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LOL https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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It's an L78 convertible... of course!

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Love those L-78 rags. As for the original engine vs non discussion, I'd like the original engine everytime if it's an all other things being equal situation which it seldom is. My hemicuda rag won SS eliminator at the '73 US Nats as well as 26 other eliminator victories that year. It has none of its original drivetrain as is the case with most serious race cars. I wouldn't trade even for one with all original mechanicals. To me it comes down to the particular car. It's probably a good thing we don't all think the same or we might all be chasing the dozen or so perfect cars.

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It's an L78 convertible... of course!

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Love those L-78 rags. As for the original engine vs non discussion, I'd like the original engine everytime if it's an all other things being equal situation which it seldom is. My hemicuda rag won SS eliminator at the '73 US Nats as well as 26 other eliminator victories that year. It has none of its original drivetrain as is the case with most serious race cars. I wouldn't trade even for one with all original mechanicals. To me it comes down to the particular car. It's probably a good thing we don't all think the same or we might all be chasing the dozen or so perfect cars.

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That LS6 rag of yours ain't too shabby either! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Thanks Bruce. Come to think of it, that car doesn't have its original engine either. It runs pretty good though.

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Make him a very fair offer on the car. He might then at least start thinking about what he could do with the money.

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Charlie, I've been increasing my offers since 1991! Last Christmas I offered him the chance to buy the motor on a shotgun basis. I figured the motor was worth about 20% of the overall value (if motor is worth 20% of a restored car... 20% may be low based on a car needing a total restoration). To keep him honest, I asked him to make me an offer for the motor - both of us knowing that his price dictated his value of the car. If his offer was fair - I'd sell the motor. If he low-balled me, I would then be able to buy the car for the other 80% of the value. He led me to believe that he was going to call back and give me his offer... but a couple days later his wife called and claimed to want to buy the motor for him as an anniversary present without him knowing. The fact that he hasn't called back since tells me he put her up to it. Six months later she called back - again trying to buy it for their anniversary... how many anniversaries do some people have? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

I really had good intentions to work a fair deal with him (either buying or selling)... now I'm thinking about building a clone of his car and dropping the motor in it.

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Hey Helmut,

I have an idea that has worked for me a few times...send someone else over to make an offer on the car. I tried to buy a 67 RS-SS for atleast 10 years from the original owners and they would never sell...maybe I insulted them the first time by offering 1000 dollars for thier car...but when I sent my brother there to make an offer, they sold him the car for 1200 dollars...I had actually raised my offer to 1500 dollars at one point. Ya just never know.


ps... I'll be glad to go over and make an offer if you cut me in as a partner!!!hahaha https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

good luck!!!!

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Even better...Make her a offer for the car. Then SHE will start thinking of what they could do with the money.

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Even better...Make her a offer for the car. Then SHE will start thinking of what they could do with the money.

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Now, that's just evil!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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Already tried that... evidently she's hoping the car will be a future father and son project. So far, the son likes the imports more than muscle cars.

If it looked like the car was being restored... I'd gladly sell the motor to reunite it, but there's no sense in the motor just sitting beside the car collecting dust too!