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It's not just HP, rarity, cool options, etc.... We as a group just think that the COPO pipeline being used for performance options & dealer skunkworks are cool enough to devote a site to it - and a show, and drag race, and memorabilia....
An LT1 in a Deuce combination is no different than an L72 in a Camaro - both combo's were available in other cars, but they were special for the Nova and Camaro. These combo's don't have to beat other RPO combo's to 'earn' a place in the SuperCar world... Silly as they seem to some, the big spoiler COPO is 'in' - if for no other reason than to add to the debate! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif Sorry, LM1's get kicked to the curb. |
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It's not just HP, rarity, cool options, etc.... We as a group just think that the COPO pipeline being used for performance options & dealer skunkworks are cool enough to devote a site to it - and a show, and drag race, and memorabilia.... An LT1 in a Deuce combination is no different than an L72 in a Camaro - both combo's were available in other cars, but they were special for the Nova and Camaro. These combo's don't have to beat other RPO combo's to 'earn' a place in the SuperCar world... Silly as they seem to some, the big spoiler COPO is 'in' - if for no other reason than to add to the debate! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif Sorry, LM1's get kicked to the curb. [/ QUOTE ] OK, how about a certified LM1 with dog dish wheels ? |
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Sorry, I had to fly to Columbus, OH to rebuild some servers.
Ahhhhh, OK. I'll be here till sat. Any cool tracks out this way? Rich Whose "certified" LM1 is home! |
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Then how about a 1967 COPO Pace Car. The special paint must have reduced the wind resistance/drag, thus enhancing performance.
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Once again... nothing to do with what a supercar is or isn't. The 435hp vette in the original question would beat a deuce too, but it's still not a supercar by definition. Sorry. [/ QUOTE ] Depends on the rear ratio. Alot of those 435hp vettes had 308 rears. They'd run 150 + https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif but not that fast in the qtr. A friend of mine bought one thinking he was gonna blow us all away. (This was in late 70)I ran him with my L78 nova and beat him by almost a car length. After we passed the qtr mile mark, he blew by and just kept goin. 3 weeks later, he got drunk, and wrecked it. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif |
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If you are in Columbus then just go east on rt 70 to National Trail Raceway - I think it's exit 126, where they sell 110 octane at the pump.
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Once again... nothing to do with what a supercar is or isn't. The 435hp vette in the original question would beat a deuce too, but it's still not a supercar by definition. Sorry. [/ QUOTE ] Depends on the rear ratio. Alot of those 435hp vettes had 308 rears. They'd run 150 + https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif but not that fast in the qtr. A friend of mine bought one thinking he was gonna blow us all away. (This was in late 70)I ran him with my L78 nova and beat him by almost a car length. After we passed the qtr mile mark, he blew by and just kept goin. 3 weeks later, he got drunk, and wrecked it. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif [/ QUOTE ] Going back to the original question, I wouldn't include the 435hp vettes only because of their production #'s. One think they are not is rare. Personally, the Yenko Deuce I would define as border line "Supercar" muscle car. To me you have to have big torque or horsepower #'s. They make up for that in low production #'s, dealer prepped car with great cosmetics to duke it out. This is only my perspective. Patrick |
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".....border line "Supercar" muscle car..... "
Folks keep trying to combine the 'Supercar' with HP/torque stuff. This site allows the 'Supercar' status to stand behind performance oriented COPO's and dealer modified stuff - it can be a stinger corvair, a yenko vega or a ZL1 Camaro. The mainstream will forever debate the definition of 'muscle car' by attempting to put 'power' numbers around it. However, I think the best def. was simple: "a powerful engine in a light body". A '69 Z does not have high HP or Torque, but few would argue that it's a 'muscle car'. The LM1 however.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif |
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Where I was going with the above statement is that my stock deuce, was faster than my stock L78 nova, so the big block high torque to validate a muscle car theory can't dismiss power to weight ratio.
It's not just my experience alone. Talk to Moses Long, Earl, and Linda Roof, and the gentleman who originally owned Tommy K's deuce. All original owners who ran the streets and had the amazingly same experiences. None of us were scared of much out there. |
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If you are in Columbus then just go east on rt 70 to National Trail Raceway - I think it's exit 126, where they sell 110 octane at the pump. [/ QUOTE ] Cool, if I get out of this data center early enough, I'll head out that way. Marlin, you own both a LT1 deuce and a L78 Nova, what's your take? Rich |
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".....border line "Supercar" muscle car..... " Folks keep trying to combine the 'Supercar' with HP/torque stuff. This site allows the 'Supercar' status to stand behind performance oriented COPO's and dealer modified stuff - it can be a stinger corvair, a yenko vega or a ZL1 Camaro. The mainstream will forever debate the definition of 'muscle car' by attempting to put 'power' numbers around it. However, I think the best def. was simple: "a powerful engine in a light body". A '69 Z does not have high HP or Torque, but few would argue that it's a 'muscle car'. The LM1 however.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif [/ QUOTE ] With all due respect. I'm using my own definition of a "Supercar". Not this sites (which I understand and respect). If you want "Supercar" status. I believe high torque, high horsepower is a must to start. That's just me. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif Of course a Z is a muscle car. Just not a "Supercar". Patrick |
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Rich, I sent you a pm.
If you want to go to National Trails, Click here: http://www.nationaltrailraceway.com/apcm...rack%20Schedule Have a great time either way. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif Andy |
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OK, I know I'll regret this but let's give it a try anyway. Confusing? It really has nothing to do with huge horsepower, or whether it's a BBC or SBC. It's more about Factory/Dealer built specialty cars here. [/ QUOTE ] https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/crazy.gif I knew I'd regret it! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif |
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Mr. LM1 - I've not driven my L78 Nova yet, I've got another 10 years to go on that one - when Benjamin turns 16! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif However, having driven L78's and my LT1..... I would have to hand it to the LT1. It's a completely different animal, especially when the RPM's are singing their song!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif
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It's a completely different animal, especially when the RPM's are singing their song!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif [/ QUOTE ] Sweet music. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif |
Re: Would a 435HP vette be considered a SUPERCAR?
SUPERCAR has an interesting definition, the ZL1 Camaro of which 69 were ordered through COPO which was not easily available to public is a SUPERCAR BUT the ZL1 Corvette which were easily available, ordered through RPO available to general public of which only 2 were made is not a SUPERCAR. I understand completely, I think.
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I can't believe this thread has gone on this long. Who really should care if that Vette should be considered a Supercar.?? If it was a BM Vette, then YES. "By definition"!! A stock L-78 Camaro or Chevelle, or any other "stock" RPO car does NOT fit the description. They are Musclecars. "Supercars" were dealer conversion hi-po cars, or COPO cars. That's it in my mind. NO gray area there for me.
I probably should have just kept my mouth shut, since I only own pre-historic musclecar stuff. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/blush.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gifVerne |
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Thank God for Verne! Only SB Supercar out there would be any dealer installed SB in a Vega. Motion, Scuncio, Harrell etc. And don't let me here any of you old timers say there is a comparison between a good running SB and a good running L78. I have been a SB man all my life and still am but comparing the 2......... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif
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I probably should have just kept my mouth shut, since I only own pre-historic musclecar stuff.
Verne With "Truck" Engines......LOL https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ouguysrock.gif |
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Sorry Ken, You are wrong! With boat anchors!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif But our buddy Pete the motor man has one 62 solidly in the mid nines and another 62 on the verge of a nine second run on a new motor. Both over 135 mph with 4 speeds. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif
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I got your "truck motor" Kwizzer... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif
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Then how about a 1967 COPO Pace Car. The special paint must have reduced the wind resistance/drag, thus enhancing performance. [/ QUOTE ] Too bad GM didn't understand how lucrative the "replica" market was back in 1967 maybe they would have built more? I guess the concept of offering something novel and unique caught on in later years https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif |
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I got your "truck motor" Kwizzer... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif [/ QUOTE ] What he said! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif |
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SUPERCAR has an interesting definition, the ZL1 Camaro of which 69 were ordered through COPO which was not easily available to public is a SUPERCAR BUT the ZL1 Corvette which were easily available, ordered through RPO available to general public of which only 2 were made is not a SUPERCAR. I understand completely, I think. [/ QUOTE ] ZL1 corvette = Supercar in my book! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif Patrick |
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Probably just retired from service last month. When you say Sissy sells shakes, does it sound like you're whistling??
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OK! A fire truck with a 409? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif
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Verne......
I'm on your side......would love a 409......even in a fire truck!!!!!!!! |
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Pretty cool fire truck...
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[/ QUOTE ] ZL1 corvette = Supercar in my book! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif Patrick [/ QUOTE ] The 1969 ZL1 Corvette is not a SUPERCAR by definition, its only another square port car that was available to the mass public that wasn't ordered through COPO. I hope this helps. |
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I think it's been made quite clear to those of us who don't have a supercar by this sites definition. |
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Imagine going to a show with your ZL1 corvette and trying to park in the section that is marked "supercars", only to be told youd have to park in the 1968 to 1972 corvette section because the last spot was taken by a 69 LM1 camaro paint delete car. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif
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Wow, that's a good one! |
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Imagine going to a show with your ZL1 corvette and trying to park in the section that is marked "supercars", only to be told youd have to park in the 1968 to 1972 corvette section because the last spot was taken by a 69 LM1 camaro paint delete car. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif [/ QUOTE ] I think the last spot would probably be for one of your rare supercamels. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/blush.gif |
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[ QUOTE ] Imagine going to a show with your ZL1 corvette and trying to park in the section that is marked "supercars", only to be told youd have to park in the 1968 to 1972 corvette section because the last spot was taken by a 69 LM1 camaro paint delete car. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif [/ QUOTE ] I think the last spot would probably be for one of your rare supercamels. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/blush.gif [/ QUOTE ] Didn't those rare supercamels come with the "double hump" heads?... |
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Let me follow this then would my 70 and 71 Impala 4 doors complete with their hand written COPO paperwork for Police job, one off color/int Red/Gold for the 70, 350 Hp engine, special gauges, HD cooling, and susp qualify? Then would the 71 with its blank paint Hd cooling special double pulley everything, HD wagon susp under a 4dr ,BB police Hd valvetrain and Nodular manifolds qualify as well. Always wanted to know where these fell into things. Just curious, https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif They can both hang with the Supercars on the Top End !!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif
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