Re: 1970 COPO 4 Sale! Real, Cert by Jerry M #Match!
 

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Have any large/copo spoilers been found on anything other than a Z28 in 1970 (documented cars).

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Steve, I think there may be a COPO spoiler L78 car out west but I don't think it has any paperwork.

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If the COPO 9796 was for/because of scca racing, would it have been available on cars other than Z28's? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Phil, you still watching this thread? Comments from the man? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

Rich

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Yep I just replied while you were typing your question. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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Should have stayed online longer! Spent all weekend with the kids baseball. Got talked into the baseball coach thing!


Reserve is getting close on the Green Z guys!

If anyone from here buys the green Z, and they want, the 70 Monte SS454 car that I have for sale has the correct original hose clamps, radiator cap and original misc screws. These were some of the things Jerry found wrong on the Green Z, I would pull em off the Monte for them, for the Green Z.

Rich

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Hi,
Whomever called and left a message this evening from the site, the phone number you left 718-371-22XX, the last two digits were cut off by static...... try me again.
Tks,
Rich

Re: 1970 COPO 4 Sale! Real, Cert by Jerry M #Match!
 

ill look to see if i have an old reg card or something with the vin # i remember on the window sticker it said trans am spoiler equip...I have pics of the car somewhere!

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Cool. If you find it please let us know. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Do you think the fact that it's a TH400 car will have an effect on it's value? I have never seen a '70 Z with an automatic go for the same money as a 4 speed car even though they made less of them in '70.

As far as the COPO spoiler is concerned; if I was in the market and had the money, I would prefer the short spoiler on my car. Regardless of rarity I just think they look better and flow with the lines of the car better.

Good luck with the sale.

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I think this car is great! but i have to agree that these cars really are better looking with the short spoiler and are in much greater demand with the more fun to drive 4 spd.

Just my$.02

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An auto trans '70 Z is shockingly fast and a blast to drive when really running right but the 4spd has always been in much higher demand and will always be the one that brings the premium. As for the spoiler..........for us that have had and played with these cars since new, the short spoiler is far and away the favorite based on appearance. I personally removed a 3pc spoiler from a local sold new Daytona Yellow car I owned around 1978 and welded up the holes in the quarter to fit a small spoiler just because that was the look we wanted. I sold the 3pc. off my spot at Carlisle for like no money. Now here's one to surely get some comment.............I presently own a different Daytona 4spd RS-Z that I am planning a restoration on and it is a true 3 pc. spoiler car. FOR MY OWN SATISFACTION, I am contemplating welding up those quarter holes again to fit the low spoiler since I know I will never like the look otherwise and I can refit the orig spoiler with just a few holes redrilled if need be. NO harm done, agree ?????

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Agree George! It's your car...might as well enjoy it the way you want to! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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An auto trans '70 Z is shockingly fast and a blast to drive when really running right but the 4spd has always been in much higher demand and will always be the one that brings the premium. (((((SNIP)))))) I am contemplating welding up those quarter holes again to fit the low spoiler since I know I will never like the look otherwise and I can refit the orig spoiler with just a few holes redrilled if need be. NO harm done, agree ?????

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Agreed. The TH400 in this car is a beast! But the 4 speeds will allwyas bring a premium.

As far as the spoiler, well, it is your car and do what you want. IMHO, what it really comes down to is do you have backup that the car is a COPO? If not, then a 70 COPO is almost impossible to authenticate without that, so it should be a non issue. If you do have proof, then even if you do change over to a 1 piece, you can always change it back if you sell it. Kind of like some supercar owners who pull the #'s engine and replace with a engine they can run the snot out of https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif


This might all be a mute point as there seems to be a buyer for the Green Z. We'll see if the money is wired to me tonight. If so, the COPO's off the market! BUT, the two 69 LM1's are still available, and the 70 Monte SS454 is as well. 69 SS baldwin car is still in paint jail!

I'd let the 69 LM1 gold car go for 8500.00, and it has # match everything, as well as original smog (this is the exact SAME smog as 69 early Z28's per Jerry).

Rich

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As for the spoiler..........for us that have had and played with these cars since new, the short spoiler is far and away the favorite based on appearance. I personally removed a 3pc spoiler from a local sold new Daytona Yellow car I owned around 1978 and welded up the holes in the quarter to fit a small spoiler just because that was the look we wanted. I sold the 3pc. off my spot at Carlisle for like no money. Now here's one to surely get some comment.............I presently own a different Daytona 4spd RS-Z that I am planning a restoration on and it is a true 3 pc. spoiler car. FOR MY OWN SATISFACTION, I am contemplating welding up those quarter holes again to fit the low spoiler since I know I will never like the look otherwise and I can refit the orig spoiler with just a few holes redrilled if need be. NO harm done, agree ?????

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George,

As history and the wind tunnel numbers indicate Chevrolet and its engineers disagreed as the short spoiler was terminated after only 15 months of production. What the short spoilers have going for them is that they carry a pure association with the high compression '70 LT-1, whereas the three piece is associated with the 71 and up Camaros and suffer what I call the early 70's low compression "smogger look".

Most performance minded folks have a bias for the 1 piece cause it "looks like a '70 should". I wish I had a dime for every time I have had that bit of peer pressure at a show.

As for your car If the car is a real COPO 9796 I would reconsider. Then again that is why the real remaining cars are so rare today.

Here is the way I see it-if the car is real and you put a shorty on it the car will have stories for sure if you decide later to have it both ways by hanging the three Piece back on for resale or whatever.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Good luck with what ever you decide to do.

The Blue car discussed here is what it is, and not a car that I would sell anytime soon. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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The Blue car discussed here is what it is, and not a car that I would sell anytime soon. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Thanks Phil.
She's safe for now..... I'll be moving her into the house garage from the shop. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

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I find the discussion here on the optional "COPO" deck spoiler to be interesting. Attached is a picture of a 70Z also build at Van Nuys though earlier (April) than the discussed car. The car shown in the link below has the 3 piece spoiler but the buildsheet (linked in the ad) does not include any additional narrative other than the D80 option that I could see. Following the logic presented by some in this thread wouldn't you have to say this car had this spoiler added later because it is not noted on the buildsheet? I'm confused for sure.

http://www.volocars.com/showroom/showroo...ce=&eprice=

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I would say the rear spoiler was added. Probably when they added the front spoiler. The front spoiler should not be painted either. Wrong steering wheel. I am willing to bet there are a lot more things wrong as well.

Rick H.

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I would say the rear spoiler was added. Probably when they added the front spoiler. The front spoiler should not be painted either. Wrong steering wheel. I am willing to bet there are a lot more things wrong as well.

Rick H.

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I understand there have been some changes made to the car and that can certainly lead one to thinking this is just another later modification made by someone. You might be right, I'm not 100% convinced yet but appreciate the input from those that know these cars better than I.

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The car you refer too is not a an original COPO spoiler car.

Rick H.

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The car you refer too is not a an original COPO spoiler car.

Rick H.

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Correct. The build sheet states D-80. For '70 D-80 was the short 1 piece rear unit only.

Phil https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Hey Phil, The new owner of the black stripe delete COPO doing anything with it? Very interested in any additional info you have about the car. Are you going to Carlisle this year?

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I will check. If I can get speak to him I will shoot you a PM. Yes I will be there.

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