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Like I said if you need a piece of paper to authenticate a car then your in sad shape sure its nice to get paperwork but I don't need any just more to keep up with and no there is no difference in changing emblems seat covers or engine parts with repo parts than there is with having a correct build sheet made I understand that some may use it to falsify a car but I can tell the difference and so should you if your a buyer or collector

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I believe 99.9% of the board subscribe to this statement by Kurt: "There's a big difference between a reproduction part required for the function of the vehicle and a piece of paper that is used to authenticate a vehicle".

IMHO Joey your statements are foolish and reckless and not what this site is about. The integrity of are hobby is at stake. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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IMHO Joey your statements are foolish and reckless and not what this site is about. The integrity of are hobby is at stake. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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I totally agree, Steve! I just don't think joey gets it...

SS

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I subscribe to that.

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Agreed.

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I have to agree, you're missing the point of most of the membership. And exactly why would you desire a fake piece of paper that says what your car is?

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Like I said if you need a piece of paper to authenticate a car then your in sad shape

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Paperwork is just one piece of the information about a car. But it can be pretty important when evaluating a car.

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"and no there is no difference in changing emblems seat covers or engine parts with repo parts than there is with having a correct build sheet made "

I really can't understand how a grown person who is active in this hobby today could make such a statement. I won't repeat my birth certificate analogy, and it's not just joey; if the original poster of this thread is selling his "packages", there are a LOT of other people who subcribe to the same misguided philosophy and ethic.
So, So, very sad.............. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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"and no there is no difference in changing emblems seat covers or engine parts with repo parts than there is with having a correct build sheet made "

I really can't understand how a grown person who is active in this hobby today could make such a statement. I won't repeat my birth certificate analogy, and it's not just joey; if the original poster of this thread is selling his "packages", there are a LOT of other people who subcribe to the same misguided philosophy and ethic.
So, So, very sad.............. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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I'll just repeat the part about Dick Wad.... what was the rest?

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"and no there is no difference in changing emblems seat covers or engine parts with repo parts than there is with having a correct build sheet made "

I really can't understand how a grown person who is active in this hobby today could make such a statement. I won't repeat my birth certificate analogy, and it's not just joey; if the original poster of this thread is selling his "packages", there are a LOT of other people who subcribe to the same misguided philosophy and ethic.
So, So, very sad.............. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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Spoken by someone who DOES give a damn about keeping this hobby of ours on the level. Thanks Verne for all that you do! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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"and no there is no difference in changing emblems seat covers or engine parts with repo parts than there is with having a correct build sheet made "

I really can't understand how a grown person who is active in this hobby today could make such a statement. I won't repeat my birth certificate analogy, and it's not just joey; if the original poster of this thread is selling his "packages", there are a LOT of other people who subcribe to the same misguided philosophy and ethic.
So, So, very sad.............. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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I'll just repeat the part about Dick Wad.... what was the rest?

[/ QUOTE ] your use of language indicates your IQ!! Some of you are just like the little girl in the nursery at church this past sunday she had a toy and wouldnt share it with the others when her parents asked her why she said I wanted to be the only one to have one now that is sad that you want to act like little girls I bet that the ones crying the loudest on this sublect are the ones you had better watch!!you are also putting words in my mouth I never said I thought it was ok to have a build sheet made and say its the real thing because I dont believe that however I do believe that it is ok to have one and say it is a like repersentation of the original same with your cars you restore if the 12 bolt is missing and you go find a exact date and ratio and put it in your car even though the numbers are the same it is not original but a as origional restored car

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I would not judge someone's IQ by their langauge. I am not judging your IQ by your continuous use of run-on sentences.

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Nope, that's what reproductions are for to give everyone a chance to own a copy of THE ORIGINAL---NOT to pass it off as an original.--This Originality thing must have some meaning since Original paintings--Original historical documents are considered special and given the respect they deserve. There are thousands of reproductions of historical documents which gives everyone a chance to see and own a copy of the Original. ...Since there's so many copies of the Declaration of Indepence --I guess we can destroy the Original now....Extreme case ,but the cement seems to be very thick on this "Don't worry I'll print up what you need--It'll look and pass for the Original"-attitude..........

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[/ QUOTE ] your use of language indicates your IQ!! Some of you are just like the little girl in the nursery at church this past sunday she had a toy and wouldnt share it with the others when her parents asked her why she said I wanted to be the only one to have one now that is sad that you want to act like little girls I bet that the ones crying the loudest on this sublect are the ones you had better watch!!you are also putting words in my mouth I never said I thought it was ok to have a build sheet made and say its the real thing because I dont believe that however I do believe that it is ok to have one and say it is a like repersentation of the original same with your cars you restore if the 12 bolt is missing and you go find a exact date and ratio and put it in your car even though the numbers are the same it is not original but a as origional restored car

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In case something was taken out of context or this entire post was missed, here it is again.
The voice of reason.
"Those papers are the birth certificates of the cars we love. They may have survived, or they may not have. Either way, we only have what we have. Recreating new ones to our desire is unethical, and should be illegal.
A person may have been born with with a given name that he doesn't appreciate, so he changes his birth certificate to read Richard Wadsworth, when in reality he was still born a Dick Wad."
not my words, but I couldn't agree more.


not sure I follow the story about the little girl, what if she had the Z16 vert. should everybody have one because fake papers would allow it? Sometimes you have to be the only person that has one.

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!you are also putting words in my mouth I never said I thought it was ok to have a build sheet made and say its the real thing because I dont believe that however I do believe that it is ok to have one and say it is a like repersentation of the original same with your cars you restore if the 12 bolt is missing and you go find a exact date and ratio and put it in your car even though the numbers are the same it is not original but a as origional restored car

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Representation -------Duplicate----- Original-------New---Used-----etc. like all labels you just have to check off the correct box..... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Do you smell buttered popcorn..........?

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I would not judge someone's IQ by their langauge. I am not judging your IQ by your continuous use of run-on sentences.

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I think you followed the story just fine! Im done with this post I sure hope you understand that im not knocking you guys with the original paper work as I said thats great but to me it dosent matter I dont need a so called birth cirt to tell me what im buying and I could care less if someone wants a re made paper for there car the world wont end and the best cars will all ways be worth more so be like a duck and let the water run off your back there is plenty to go around for all to enjoy

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Like I said if you need a piece of paper to authenticate a car then your in sad shape ......but I can tell the difference and so should you if your a buyer or collector

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Joey - you're not winning any supporters with statements like these. I guess maybe you can teach us all since we don't know WTF we're doing https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Dang Joey you may want to re-read what you posted, off the wall stuff for a guy pimping muscle cars. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Id pimp you out if I could have fun at it but I bet there would be no takers have a great day!!

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its easy a car will tell you the truth!! just listen to it and also listen to the seller

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I would not judge someone's IQ by their langauge. I am not judging your IQ by your continuous use of run-on sentences.

[/ QUOTE ]I sure wasn't a english major but at 45 im healthy retired and Im able to do any thing I want and buy whatever I want and im a pretty good judge of character

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Ha!! I love it https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif When backed into a corner the same old lines always come out... " I'm rich, I don't need any of this stuff anyway, I can do anything I want, go anywhere I want, yada... yada..."

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Id pimp you out if I could have fun at it but I bet there would be no takers have a great day!!

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Bud suggests you stop and count to 10 and this is how you respond!

Pure Busch League!

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif The wise use of a mulligan has saved many a game!

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I believe Mark Twain said it best:
"Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt".

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Joey, is your . working on your keyboard? I'm running out of breath.

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its easy a car will tell you the truth!! just listen to it and also listen to the seller

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Ironically, and overconfidence in one's own abilities often makes one even more prone to being fooled https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

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I believe Mark Twain said it best:
"Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt".

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I thought that quote was from A.Lincoln - learn something every day https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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Now thats what I call a dogpile!

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Marlin, it seems both Lincoln and Twain received credit for that quote.

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I believe an old comic named Fred Allen once said, "The man was born ignorant and has been losing ground ever since."

Not that it applies here, and feel free to correct me. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

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Well, Joey has certainly taken the Heat away from the orig. Post/Mr. Clemens https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

Lets not lose sight of the real issue here, the guy creating the problem, not so much those who have differing opinions than our own... not that I endorse that different opinion.. but the real issue here is the creation of these Fake Documents and how they get used. If Mr. Clemens truly washes his hands of the entire mess, than I guess there is nothing else we can do, other than denounce it, stay sharp and continue to use the BUYER BEWARE theory when looking at these great cars and any documentation they may have with them!! I tell everyone, never be shy about asking for help, asking someone to look at something for a second opinion, a second set of eyes, even the best of us can and do get fooled..

Deep breath...

Next!

Mike

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When I nod my head ... you kick it through the goal post!

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A guy stopped me on the street earlier this morning and pulled me over to the side opened the right side of his coat there must have been 20 watches hanging there--I said no pal not interested. He said you like cars--And opened the left side of his coat --hanging there were buildsheets all makes and models--He said I can let you have 2 LS6's and a ZLI --for $100.00 and I'll even throw in one of these genuine Rolex watches for free. I only had $50.00 on me and he wouldn't budge on his price. ........Can't get a freakin break............

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Corvette-...1QQcmdZViewItem Now they come in different fragrances ["created as a novelty" of course], Im getting a 97 octane regular unleaded and may try to get a rare cam2 fragrance for my l88,this way i can prove it was a factory L88 because it stinks like 105 octane .. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Whaaaat thehttps://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif!!!.

Other foolishness aside, does the right or wrong of fake build sheets or bogus documents of any kind really need debate here...a few may go along w/ it but overall I somehow doubt it?.

~ Pete

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Pete with some of this stuff you have to have some sense of humor or else you'll wind up marching the streets holding a sign saying " The End Is Near".Some of these topics just end up like a dog chasing his tail..but at least with the exchange everyone is talking.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif Later..Joe

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I agree 100% they left ther main goal to hammer on me but thats ok I can take it by the way Im planning a trip to charlotte swap meet any one else gona be there? email me at [email protected] ma by I will buy dinner

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Gentlemen; The trouble i have with fake sheets is when i die and my date matching clone LS6 Chevelle i leave to my nephew gets sold (because he wants to buy a new Mustang)with the fake build in the glove box. Down the road a buyer (who paid double for it because it is now the real deal), finds out it is really a clone. Who's going to be sued?

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now thats a good point!!

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thats the entire point !

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I had a high school algebra teacher that said that to the class one day, I didn't say a word the remainder of the semester. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif